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El_Kabong
El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
edited July 2006 in A Moving Train
i posted before about claims from insiders in the reagan administration that they offered Iran the weapons for hostages if they didn't release the hostages to carter and most of the responses were disbelief...there's something on the history channel about presidents and according to it the hostages were released during his inauguration! so...since it's common knowledge that he DID trade arms for hostages obvioulsy he had to be in contact w/ Iran prior to make the deal!!

'The following fifty-two remaining hostages were held captive until January 20, 1981'

'On January 20, 1981, twenty minutes after President Reagan's inaugural address, the hostages were formally released into U.S. custody, having spent 444 days in captivity.'

so, he was only president for 20 minutes and that was enough time to make the arms deal?? give me a fucking break!
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    I bet several insiders would say they didn't trade weapons. Another success for a Republican president trying to be turned into a negative by the radical leftwing. I bet Reagan had nothing to do with winning the Cold War either. Was he really even an actor? I bet all that footage was faked. Do I really even exist? Am I really sitting here typing? What if I'm really a robot spy put here by Richard Nixon. Oh crap, I am! No Richard, don't cut my power, don't cut my pow...
  • simpson,ay?
    simpson,ay? Posts: 45
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    I bet several insiders would say they didn't trade weapons. Another success for a Republican president trying to be turned into a negative by the radical leftwing. I bet Reagan had nothing to do with winning the Cold War either. Was he really even an actor? I bet all that footage was faked. Do I really even exist? Am I really sitting here typing? What if I'm really a robot spy put here by Richard Nixon. Oh crap, I am! No Richard, don't cut my power, don't cut my pow...

    anybody who thinks reagan had anything to do with winning the cold war needs to read a book. seriously. and people wonder why the world sees us as arrogant. reagan had more good things fall in his lap than a hilton sister.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    simpson,ay? wrote:
    anybody who thinks reagan had anything to do with winning the cold war needs to read a book. seriously. and people wonder why the world sees us as arrogant.

    Hey, if some liberal wrote it, it must be true! If some insider said it, it must be true! If a Republican says it, it must be false. That's your fucking mantra. Greatest president since FDR. You all love FDR I bet. Don't hear much about the Japanese internment camps on here.
  • simpson,ay?
    simpson,ay? Posts: 45
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Hey, if some liberal wrote it, it must be true! If some insider said it, it must be true! If a Republican says it, it must be false. That's your fucking mantra. Greatest president since FDR. You all love FDR I bet. Don't hear much about the Japanese internment camps on here.

    it was a lot of insiders that wrote it...in eastern europe. where they went through hell protesting and eventually got what they wanted. anyway, reagan was not a great president. his legacy is supposedly winning the cold war. his real legacy is the debt he left us with.

    national debt 1776-1980 = (accumulated debt during reagan admin. x 4)

    this from a "small-government" "conservative"
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    simpson,ay? wrote:
    reagan had more good things fall in his lap than a hilton sister.

    Nice little add-on there. It's funny you don't mention Clinton who literally and figuratively had good things fall in his lap. It's debatable whether Monica Lewinksy is a good thing. But, it is funny all the crap that he laid in Bush's lap, mainly a recession and terrorists running around with zero accountability. But again, I'm sure there is a book that will prove me wrong. If you think the economy in the 80's wasn't good because of Reagan, then you have to agree the same for Clinton.

    But we've hijacked the thread, back to the Iran hostage topic. Personally, it was 25 years ago, and for a party that wants to "move on" you sure do dwell in the past. You can't even regain control of Congress in a landslide because you are living in the past. No ideas for the future.
  • simpson,ay?
    simpson,ay? Posts: 45
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Nice little add-on there. It's funny you don't mention Clinton who literally and figuratively had good things fall in his lap. It's debatable whether Monica Lewinksy is a good thing. But, it is funny all the crap that he laid in Bush's lap, mainly a recession and terrorists running around with zero accountability. But again, I'm sure there is a book that will prove me wrong. If you think the economy in the 80's wasn't good because of Reagan, then you have to agree the same for Clinton.

    But we've hijacked the thread, back to the Iran hostage topic. Personally, it was 25 years ago, and for a party that wants to "move on" you sure do dwell in the past. You can't even regain control of Congress in a landslide because you are living in the past. No ideas for the future.

    i dont know what clinton had fall in his lap (other than monica's open mouth). the economy in the 80's was good, i concede. i was only talking about foreign policy. and blaming clinton for bush's terrible lapse in terrorism control? ridiculous, there are a hundred books to disprove that. anyway, im just sick of conservatives thinking reagan was this model of perfection. economy was good, foreign policy was good but overrated, and debt was ridiculously bad. clinton had good economy, good foreign policy, and an actual surplus. but we can't get over the fact that he got a blowjob. he's not the first president to get a blowjob people.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Nice little add-on there. It's funny you don't mention Clinton who literally and figuratively had good things fall in his lap. It's debatable whether Monica Lewinksy is a good thing. But, it is funny all the crap that he laid in Bush's lap, mainly a recession and terrorists running around with zero accountability. But again, I'm sure there is a book that will prove me wrong. If you think the economy in the 80's wasn't good because of Reagan, then you have to agree the same for Clinton.

    But we've hijacked the thread, back to the Iran hostage topic. Personally, it was 25 years ago, and for a party that wants to "move on" you sure do dwell in the past. You can't even regain control of Congress in a landslide because you are living in the past. No ideas for the future.


    maybe if clinton didn't have to deal w/ the investigation into monica he coudl've focused more on terrorism...in fact, clinton did sign an order for the assasination of bin laden...he had unmanned drones looking for him, and they found him...while bush was president...and let him get away. bush also cut counter terrorism funding when he first took office.

    also, reagan won the cold war by outspending the russians...they couldn't compete w/ the arms race, especially when reagan started trying to militarize space. i guess the encarta encyclopedia is not a good enough source for you but even that says reagan exaggerated the russians capabilities for bigger defense spending. plz tell me what an acceptable source is for you...you don't hesitate to claim they aren't good enough but you never seem to back that view up w. anything

    and are you saying that we never traded arms for hostages to Iran??? you never heard of the Iran/Contra affair??? so while it's common knowledge they did, in fact, trade arms for hostages and those hostages were released a mere 20 minutes after he was president, please explain when they set the deal up to trade the arms for hostages?

    it's funny your mantra is 'if it's in a book/said by an insider it must be true!' well where the hell do you get your info from? just a thought's good enough for you, i guess. :rolleyes:

    and i'm not a democrat, only idiots participate in partisan politics...ohhhh wait, that actually explains a lot... both parties are worthless when it comes to the average person, they only help their investors and special interest groups that donated to their campaigns.
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    I bet several insiders would say they didn't trade weapons. Another success for a Republican president trying to be turned into a negative by the radical leftwing. I bet Reagan had nothing to do with winning the Cold War either. Was he really even an actor? I bet all that footage was faked. Do I really even exist? Am I really sitting here typing? What if I'm really a robot spy put here by Richard Nixon. Oh crap, I am! No Richard, don't cut my power, don't cut my pow...


    i guess congress is lying when their own report says we traded arms for hostages. so we know that to be a fact. we also know to be a fact that they were released 20 minutes after he was inaugarated. so plz do tell when they set this deal up?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    CLinton did absolutely nothing to combat terrorism..viva la fucking Regan!
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Nice little add-on there. It's funny you don't mention Clinton who literally and figuratively had good things fall in his lap. It's debatable whether Monica Lewinksy is a good thing. But, it is funny all the crap that he laid in Bush's lap, mainly a recession and terrorists running around with zero accountability. But again, I'm sure there is a book that will prove me wrong. If you think the economy in the 80's wasn't good because of Reagan, then you have to agree the same for Clinton.

    But we've hijacked the thread, back to the Iran hostage topic. Personally, it was 25 years ago, and for a party that wants to "move on" you sure do dwell in the past. You can't even regain control of Congress in a landslide because you are living in the past. No ideas for the future.

    books and historical fact = bad

    corporate media catch phrases and undeserved praise = good

    they said reagan was great so it must be true! the economy was good but at what costs? the income gap grew larger and larger...so this economic growth was only good for the lucky few. And our foreign policy during this time concerning central america was hideous whereas we committed countless human rights violations and supported and funded the overthrowing of democratic governments so nothing would get in our way of raping their homelands to boost our economy and make private investors quite wealthy. so who exactly was reagan so great for?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    miller8966 wrote:
    CLinton did absolutely nothing to combat terrorism..viva la fucking Regan!


    where'd ya read that? that's right, ya didn't...

    and what did reagan do for terrorism other than funding them? why did congress tell them not to support the contras again? isn't it ironic al qaeda was created while the republicans had bin laden on the cia payroll?

    and i thought your guys mantra was we shouldn't listen to the political views of actors and ppl in the entertainment industry and yet you guys hold a 2nd rate actor as your greatest political figure! oh the irony!! :D
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    El_Kabong wrote:
    where'd ya read that? that's right, ya didn't...

    and what did reagan do for terrorism other than funding them? why did congress tell them not to support the contras again?

    and i thought your guys mantra was we shouldn't listen to the political views of actors and ppl in the entertainment industry and yet you guys hold a 2nd rate actor as your greatest political figure! oh the irony!! :D

    Plenty of books have been written on Clintons presidential failure. Try "dereliction of Duty" or better yet just go to a Barnes and Nobles.

    I dont mind actors who speak their minds..i just dont like when they come down from their mansions like Barbra Streisand and try to tell us how to live.
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    miller8966 wrote:
    Plenty of books have been written on Clintons presidential failure. Try "dereliction of Duty" or better yet just go to a Barnes and Nobles.

    I dont mind actors who speak their minds..i just dont like when they come down from their mansions like Barbra Streisand and try to tell us how to live.


    i'm talking about facts, not opinion pieces. are you saying clinton didn't sign an order for the assasination of bin laden (a cia agent thanks to the republicans, good call there guys!! way to fucking go!!)

    your 2nd paragraph contradicts itself
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    The Sudanese government wanted to hand over Binladen to the U.S government but Clinton would not take him for fear of offending the Saudis.....lol. WOrst president ever
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    miller8966 wrote:
    The Sudanese government wanted to hand over Binladen to the U.S government but Clinton would not take him for fear of offending the Saudis.....lol. WOrst president ever


    maybe you could try actually answering the questions i asked instead of constantly bringing up other things?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    El_Kabong wrote:
    maybe you could try actually answering the questions i asked instead of constantly bringing up other things?

    wah wah wah...thats all im seeing
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    miller8966 wrote:
    wah wah wah...thats all im seeing

    surprise! surprise!

    color me shocked
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    surprise! surprise!

    color me shocked

    CLinton was a jackass...ill do everything in my power to stop hillary clinton from getting into the white house.

    EVerything from holding rallies to passing out fliers to starting websites dedicated to not letting her get in office. Ill even help the campaign of her opponent in the democratic primaries...i'll do all i can to keep america great and not allow her to spread her socialist agenda.
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    miller8966 wrote:
    CLinton was a jackass...ill do everything in my power to stop hillary clinton from getting into the white house.

    EVerything from holding rallies to passing out fliers to starting websites dedicated to not letting her get in office. Ill even help the campaign of her opponent in the democratic primaries...i'll do all i can to keep america great and not allow her to spread her socialist agenda.

    oh shit! she's in big trouble now!
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    miller8966 wrote:
    CLinton was a jackass...ill do everything in my power to stop hillary clinton from getting into the white house.

    EVerything from holding rallies to passing out fliers to starting websites dedicated to not letting her get in office. Ill even help the campaign of her opponent in the democratic primaries...i'll do all i can to keep america great and not allow her to spread her socialist agenda.


    ummmm...this is a thread about reagan and the arms for hostages fiasco...not quite sure how hillary clinton figures into all of this...i guess you have no relavent reply to anything else i've said so you have to resort to one of your nonsensical rants of yours. but feel free to do all you can to stop her from winning, i wouldn't vote for her anyway

    so...back to the topic of the thread...if reagan traded arms for hostages and the hostages were released 20 min after he was inaugarated when, exactly, did they broker this deal w/ iran?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way

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