Nader: Obama 'talking white'

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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    I just find it funny that some people here think Obama can do no wrong...never admitting his shortcomings or mistakes.

    I just find it funny that some people here think Nader can do no wrong...never admiting his shortcomings or mistakes.

    When you like and support someone, you should still be able to see the deficiencies.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Good lord, you're grasping. But it's right to do so and I wouldn't expect anything less from ya. Carryon

    I'm not grasping, I posted Nader's own words which are unbelievable. But I'd rather be grasping than be delusional like some people. I know its hard to admit Nader's a huge fraud. Seems like you'll be voting for the lesser of three evils now which is against what you wanted to do in this election. If getting angry at me for showing Nader for the shuckster he is helps you cope then by all means get nasty towards me, I can handle it.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Pacomc79 wrote:

    The idea of dressing professionally and speaking professionally is not particular to a single culture.

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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Nader is a 70 year old white guy, what the fuck do you expect.



    i am telling you guys, there comes a point when someone is too old to be president, for alot of reasons.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    cornnifer wrote:



    Honestly what kills me is how many people wanted to write Obama;s obituary over the words of someone else and here we have the candidate, Nader, himself uttering some dispicable nonsense like this, and his supporters nationwide, all eight of them, defend it. Oh, well.


    "all eight of them" :D
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Obama has about 95% support in the african american community and will get 95% of the african american vote in november


    so i think it is safe to say ralph nader is full of shit... or maybe he is so full of his normal hubris that he thinks he knows better then the blacks which candidate is the better candidate for them :rolleyes:
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    ....
    cincybearcat wrote:
    I just find it funny that some people here think Obama can do no wrong...never admitting his shortcomings or mistakes.

    I just find it funny that some people here think Nader can do no wrong...never admiting his shortcomings or mistakes.

    When you like and support someone, you should still be able to see the deficiencies.


    Exactly and I have already said that I don't agree with Nader here. But I also don't see this as some big deal, either
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    flywallyfly wrote:
    He's either senile, a closeted racist who accidentally left the door ajar, or using an inflammatory statement to get attention. I dont know which is worse. Kinda sad but yet another chip in his moral armor.


    such a racist that he picked someone w/ the last name Gonzalez to be his running mate :rolleyes:

    can anyone explain how what he said is even racist? especially when compared to ppl on this board like RainDog who make a huge deal out of him being the first black president???

    it;'s not like nader changes his vote or waters down bills after receiving $100's of thousands of $ from the credit card and nuclear industry
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    El_Kabong wrote:
    such a racist that he picked someone w/ the last name Gonzalez to be his running mate :rolleyes:

    can anyone explain how what he said is even racist? especially when compared to ppl on this board like RainDog who make a huge deal out of him being the first black president???

    it;'s not like nader changes his vote or waters down bills after receiving $100's of thousands of $ from the credit card and nuclear industry

    Maybe he likes hispanics but not blacks? Maybe he's not racist but just crazy.

    I bet Nader has money right now invested in Citibank and the nuclear industry because that is how Nader lives his life -- in hypocrisy.

    http://blogs.venturacountystar.com/dennert/archives/Nader.jpg
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    El_Kabong wrote:
    such a racist that he picked someone w/ the last name Gonzalez to be his running mate :rolleyes:
    People can be prejudiced against one without the other.
    El_Kabong wrote:
    can anyone explain how what he said is even racist? especially when compared to ppl on this board like RainDog who make a huge deal out of him being the first black president???
    First black president is an historical milestone. "Talking White" is an age old way of disparaging well spoken, successful blacks. Now, why the call out?
    El_Kabong wrote:
    it;'s not like nader changes his vote or waters down bills after receiving $100's of thousands of $ from the credit card and nuclear industry
    How could he? The guy holds no office.

    Now, let's all ask El_Kabong about how great it is to live in that color-blind society he apparently resides in, and that the rest of us can only dream of.
  • ScreamMyLungsOut
    ScreamMyLungsOut Posts: 37
    I think that the primary mistake most people make about Obama, including Nader, is that he's African-American. The man is bi-racial; he is not Black. As someone who is also bi-racial, it really annoys me that he's being touted as the first viable African-American presidential candidate. His racial ancestry is mixed, he had a middle-class upbringing (it took him almost 10 years to pay off his student loans--that I can REALLY relate to), and more than any other presidential candidate in history, he is a true reflection of the diversity of the American people. I'm not voting for him because I'm "Black" and he's "Black" (neither of us are, dammit); I'm voting for him because it's high time real change was made in America. McCain is just another war-mongering, big business-accomodating, let's-make-the-rich-richer-and-the-middle-class-and-poor-poorer, good old boys club Republican shill, and Obama is the only candidate who can bring real change. Obama's far from perfect, but I share his idealism and his vision for America, and hope that he's given the opportunity to bring it to fruition.

    PS: The MSG shows were SICK, yo! Ed for VP!!
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    RainDog wrote:
    People can be prejudiced against one without the other.

    it was obviously not a racial remark is my point and no one obviously can reply to my question of how it was
    RainDog wrote:

    First black president is an historical milestone. "Talking White" is an age old way of disparaging well spoken, successful blacks. Now, why the call out?

    no call out, you were one fo the ppl i rememberd making a big deal about it and i couldn't recall the others and didn't feel like doing a search.
    RainDog wrote:
    How could he? The guy holds no office.

    Now, let's all ask El_Kabong about how great it is to live in that color-blind society he apparently resides in, and that the rest of us can only dream of.


    what? it's pretty easy to not be a racist...don't think racist thoughts! there, now everyone can live in my world!
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    flywallyfly wrote:
    Maybe he likes hispanics but not blacks? Maybe he's not racist but just crazy.

    I bet Nader has money right now invested in Citibank and the nuclear industry because that is how Nader lives his life -- in hypocrisy.

    http://blogs.venturacountystar.com/dennert/archives/Nader.jpg

    unlike obama who says he doesn't deal w/ lobbyists when he lets them be his campaign chair and give hundreds of thousands of dollars and change his vote to their demands

    also, at least nader isn't saying he'd have a foreign policy like reagan and the first bush! yeah. he's anti-war but will have a foreign policy like theirs?? how is that even possible?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    El_Kabong wrote:

    also, at least nader isn't saying he'd have a foreign policy like reagan and the first bush! yeah. he's anti-war but will have a foreign policy like theirs?? how is that even possible?

    Peace through Strength my friend.

    And Reagan never stopped talking to the Russians despite the tense differences. That's a good thing.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    cornnifer wrote:


    Honestly what kills me is how many people wanted to write Obama;s obituary over the words of someone else and here we have the candidate, Nader, himself uttering some dispicable nonsense like this, and his supporters nationwide, all eight of them, defend it. Oh, well.


    6% is even more than Nader had in 2000

    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ijClHoidEl8XEJMJoUooHU1R_nmgD914PTMGA
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    RainDog wrote:

    First black president is an historical milestone. "Talking White" is an age old way of disparaging well spoken, successful blacks. Now, why the call out?


    I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to know that Nader wasn't talking about the style in which Obama is speaking but rather who is speaking for.


    By the way, there are many definitions of "talking white."

    http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/06/26/nader-on-abcs-this-week-sunday/

    Here's our definition, from the Nader/Gonzalez dictionary:

    Talking white means telling the white corporate power structure what they want to hear, rather than calling them out and telling them what they need to hear.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    ScreamMyLungsOut wrote:
    I think that the primary mistake most people make about Obama, including Nader, is that he's African-American. The man is bi-racial; he is not Black. As someone who is also bi-racial, it really annoys me that he's being touted as the first viable African-American presidential candidate. His racial ancestry is mixed, he had a middle-class upbringing (it took him almost 10 years to pay off his student loans--that I can REALLY relate to), and more than any other presidential candidate in history, he is a true reflection of the diversity of the American people. I'm not voting for him because I'm "Black" and he's "Black" (neither of us are, dammit); I'm voting for him because it's high time real change was made in America. McCain is just another war-mongering, big business-accomodating, let's-make-the-rich-richer-and-the-middle-class-and-poor-poorer, good old boys club Republican shill, and Obama is the only candidate who can bring real change. Obama's far from perfect, but I share his idealism and his vision for America, and hope that he's given the opportunity to bring it to fruition.

    PS: The MSG shows were SICK, yo! Ed for VP!!

    Of all the things people use to describe Obama...idealistic usually isn't one of them. What ideals has he maintained exactly?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Peace through Strength my friend.

    And Reagan never stopped talking to the Russians despite the tense differences. That's a good thing.

    Regardless of the Coldwar...in which you and I will not agree on. Reagan's documented policies in South and Central America were hideous and sickening.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Regardless of the Coldwar...in which you and I will not agree on. Reagan's documented policies in South and Central America were hideous and sickening.


    You finally got something right...we'll never agree.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    El_Kabong wrote:
    unlike obama who says he doesn't deal w/ lobbyists when he lets them be his campaign chair and give hundreds of thousands of dollars and change his vote to their demands

    also, at least nader isn't saying he'd have a foreign policy like reagan and the first bush! yeah. he's anti-war but will have a foreign policy like theirs?? how is that even possible?

    Obama wasn't talking about their actions, but about what they claimed their policy was.

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