How the U.S. Just Got Schooled by a 'Rag-Tag' Neighborhood Army in Iraq

RolandTD20Kdrummer
RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
edited April 2008 in A Moving Train
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/81147/

"What happened in Iraq this week was a beautiful lesson in the weird laws of guerrilla warfare. Unfortunately, it was the Americans who got schooled. Even now, people at my office are saying, "We won, right? Sadr told his men to give up, right?"

Wrong. Sadr won big. Iran won even bigger. Maliki, the Iraqi Army, Petraeus and Cheney lost."
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • PJ_Saluki
    PJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    So what's your point?
    "Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    PJ_Saluki wrote:
    So what's your point?

    I guess that America sucks?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    PJ_Saluki wrote:
    So what's your point?


    You don't get it?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • beachdweller
    beachdweller Posts: 1,532
    so what, we should be happy that we are one step closer to war with Iran?

    this is not a big deal, we always lose in a guerrilla fight
    "Music, for me, was fucking heroin." eV (nothing Ed has said is more true for me personally than this quote)

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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    yayy!!!! America has been defeated! those evil fucking americans are doomed!


    wait, i live in America. fuck. why are you so giddy>?
  • beachdweller
    beachdweller Posts: 1,532
    we should attach ourselves, I bet there are more Al Qaeda in the U S then in Iraq, what are we waiting for...boom!
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/81147/

    "What happened in Iraq this week was a beautiful lesson in the weird laws of guerrilla warfare. Unfortunately, it was the Americans who got schooled. Even now, people at my office are saying, "We won, right? Sadr told his men to give up, right?"

    Wrong. Sadr won big. Iran won even bigger. Maliki, the Iraqi Army, Petraeus and Cheney lost."
    When you have something to fight for, as opposed to following orders, you tend to have a little more motivation.

    The CIA suggested bombing the "will" of the north vietnamese in the vietnam war, as it is crucial in war. That is the case in Iraq, who has the will to continue this terrible conflict? Its easier for the Iraqi's-they are defending their homes.

    What is the US fighting for?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Fight that war...

    yeah...

    all illusions based on control
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • beachdweller
    beachdweller Posts: 1,532
    Commy wrote:
    When you have something to fight for, as opposed to following orders, you tend to have a little more motivation.

    The CIA suggested bombing the "will" of the north vietnamese in the vietnam war, as it is crucial in war. That is the case in Iraq, who has the will to continue this terrible conflict? Its easier for the Iraqi's-they are defending their homes.

    What is the US fighting for?

    I don't think America is fighting for anything. Those in charge of America have some delusional ideaology that is not the best for our country, but it is for them.
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    beachdweller wrote:
    I don't think America is fighting for anything. Those in charge of America have some delusional ideaology that is not the best for our country, but it is for them.
    Right, this war has made billions for the private sector, but has done little for the nation of the US. In fact has cost us billions.

    So get the fuck out, imo.
  • beachdweller
    beachdweller Posts: 1,532
    Commy wrote:
    Right, this war has made billions for the private sector, but has done little for the nation of the US. In fact has cost us billions.

    So get the fuck out, imo.

    my problem with just leaving, is it's our fault, we own it, so we need to make a true effort to stabilize Iraq before leaving. Nothing that the Bush administratin has done has been to actually stabilize so we can leave IMO.

    we need to get out of Italy, Germany, Japan, and South Korea also, that's a lot of money that could go toward education, health care, and our pockets.
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    beachdweller wrote:
    my problem with just leaving, is it's our fault, we own it, so we need to make a true effort to stabilize Iraq before leaving. Nothing that the Bush administratin has done has been to actually stabilize so we can leave IMO.

    we need to get out of Italy, Germany, Japan, and South Korea also, that's a lot of money that could go toward education, health care, and our pockets.
    Was Hitler in charge of deciding Poland's fate then? Or France? You invade you fix it seems like a flawed logic to me.
  • beachdweller
    beachdweller Posts: 1,532
    Commy wrote:
    Was Hitler in charge of deciding Poland's fate then? Or France? You invade you fix it seems like a flawed logic to me.

    sorry, I don't see any parellel in using Hitler as an example. Hitler didn't give a shit, I do, but understand it may not matter.
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    beachdweller wrote:
    sorry, I don't see any parellel in using Hitler as an example. Hitler didn't give a shit, I do, but understand it may not matter.


    According to the UN 11-13 million people die every year from easily curable diseases or starvation, an american holocaust every year. Comparing the US gov't to nazism is fitting, given reality.

    Why in the hell should they be the ones to "fix" anything?
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    yeah cuz the US is responsible for every living human on the planet and is to blame whenever anyone dies
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/81147/

    "What happened in Iraq this week was a beautiful lesson in the weird laws of guerrilla warfare. Unfortunately, it was the Americans who got schooled. Even now, people at my office are saying, "We won, right? Sadr told his men to give up, right?"

    Wrong. Sadr won big. Iran won even bigger. Maliki, the Iraqi Army, Petraeus and Cheney lost."
    ...
    The U.S. will win every battle. Just like in Viet Nam... name one battle that was a military loss (note: Khe Sanh was tough, but the Marines on that hill top finally prevailed).
    But, we see and understand that you can have victory in every battle and still lose the war.
    ...
    In Iraq... is is the Shi'ites in charge, now. We put them there and were too stupid to see or understand that in a country where most of the people hate you... if you give them Democracy... they will elect people who hate you.
    We cannot rely on or trust the Iraqi Armed forces. Why? Well, all you have to do is wonder... I wonder what happened to the Iraqi Republican Guard and the Fedayen militia that never took on the U.S. Army and Marines in the offensive of 2003. all you have to do is wonder... where are they now?
    My guess... in Iraqi Security Forces... being trainned by American troops... to ultimately use their trainning and weaponry to kill American troops.
    And al Sadr simply showed that he was still out there. Someone we should have been after in 2003. Now, it's too late. He has gotten too powerful and influential. He could be the next ayatollah. Killing him now will only make matters worse for our soldiers over there.
    Thanx, President Bush... Vice-President Cheney... former Secretary Rumsfeld.
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    The U.S. will win every battle. Just like in Viet Nam... name one battle that was a military loss (note: Khe Sanh was tough, but the Marines on that hill top finally prevailed).
    But, we see and understand that you can have victory in every battle and still lose the war.
    ...
    In Iraq... is is the Shi'ites in charge, now. We put them there and were too stupid to see or understand that in a country where most of the people hate you... if you give them Democracy... they will elect people who hate you.
    We cannot rely on or trust the Iraqi Armed forces. Why? Well, all you have to do is wonder... I wonder what happened to the Iraqi Republican Guard and the Fedayen militia that never took on the U.S. Army and Marines in the offensive of 2003. all you have to do is wonder... where are they now?
    My guess... in Iraqi Security Forces... being trainned by American troops... to ultimately use their trainning and weaponry to kill American troops.
    And al Sadr simply showed that he was still out there. Someone we should have been after in 2003. Now, it's too late. He has gotten too powerful and influential. He could be the next ayatollah. Killing him now will only make matters worse for our soldiers over there.
    Thanx, President Bush... Vice-President Cheney... former Secretary Rumsfeld.

    They've made billions from this war, I dont' think intelligence is the issue.
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Commy wrote:
    According to the UN 11-13 million people die every year from easily curable diseases or starvation, an american holocaust every year. Comparing the US gov't to nazism is fitting, given reality.

    Why in the hell should they be the ones to "fix" anything?

    wow. so its the fault of the united states that 13 million people die or curable diseases and starvation? simply amazing.
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    MrSmith wrote:
    yeah cuz the US is responsible for every living human on the planet and is to blame whenever anyone dies

    I'm glad I'm not the only one with some common sense on this board.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Commy wrote:
    They've made billions from this war, I dont' think intelligence is the issue.


    Exactly. Calling this admin and their decisions stupid is overlooking the real issue. Calculating and indifferent would be more apt.
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