Ron Paul's SORE LOSERS

Abookamongstthemany · April 2008

sweetpotato wrote:

methinks she doth bitch too much... is there a reason you're being so fucking cranky? :rolleyes: my god, i didn't even direct the original thread at nader supporters, yet you're all over it like a she-beast. vote for anyone you like, i seriously don't care. there aren't going to be enough of you to make any kind of impact, so it really doesn't matter much.

i applaud your voting your lofty-yet-unelectable-ideals, good for you. you go, girl. but as for me, i tend to be more of a realist. i know that trait sometimes rubs folks like you- head in the cloud types- the wrong way, but i'll just have to accept that as my fate, i guess.

take care.

I bitch about things that need to be addressed and no one is doing it hardly. I bitch about the things that matter to me because it's not about winning a debate on this message board...it's about standing up for what I believe in even if it's not the popular thing to do and even though I'm going to have to put up with an uphill battle.

Realist are people who mold themsleves to fit into a shitty situation, accept things for what they are and adapt. Us idealists are the ones making the situation better and working against the current situation towards this little thing we hold so dear called 'Progress'.

Abookamongstthemany · April 2008

sweetpotato wrote:

not at all. i believe we will rid ourselves of the repugnicans in the white house this time around. i think that's a positive thing, tho i'm sure the likes of you and drifting and apparently the obama-obsessed abook will disagree. perhaps you all think allowing mccain to win would be a good thing, who the fuck knows.

Obama obsessed? I'm just here pointing out what I see. He's more than likely going to our next president and I'm going to say the things you're not going to see in the mainstream media. If you don't like it...don't read it.

DriftingByTheStorm · April 2008

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

it's about standing up for what I believe in[...]

Thats un-American.

People like you should be rounded up and sent to one of them secret prisons,
to be waterboarded, dehumanized, and held permanently without trial.

:cool:

RolandTD20Kdrummer · April 2008

my2hands wrote:

this is the problem with alot of my like minded friends of the left....

they come across as elitist...

she is not voting 3rd party so she is a defeatist? :rolleyes:

The sentiment of "they aren't going to win anyways so...oh well" is a defeatist attitude . Yes.

Abookamongstthemany · April 2008

sweetpotato wrote:

and I guess I was right!

"Would you pretty please...

watch this film:
http://www.anunreasonableman.com/

I respect your opinion and don't expect to change your mind. But I would really be interested in evolving ideas with you as to how we progress this nation and how we move forward from here on out.

So if you have netflix or you rent...or whatever. I would really like ot hear your opinion and thoughts on this film...the special features are good as well. I see your intentions as truely honorable even though we have differing views on how to approach these problems. Even if it's not presidential...we could combine ideas on a grassroots level. We just need change, period.

shine on,

christie
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Nader/Gonzalez '08!

'If any person in America has earned the right to be taken seriously, and to be debated on their own terms, surely it is Ralph Nader.'"

So i guess that was all just bullshit, huh, abook?

I sincerely meant every word of that pm and it was a genuine effort to reach out to some of you(the ones who I thought would be interested and open to it), and end some of this tension and see where we had common ground even though we disagree. I felt inspired and wanted to share that with some of you whom I know have their hearts in the right place.

How is it bullshit? Do you think I don't respect you based on me disagreeing with you? And I know you and others intentions are in the right place. I've never said different. That doesn't change the fact that I view Obama as the wrong way to go about it. Some of you get pissy and down right rude when I post something about Obama and it's uncalled for. Debate the topic or don't...that's what we're here for. I am able to civilly discuss these differences with plenty of people here even when I'm passionate or frustrated people seem to know that it is about the circumstances and not about them perosnally. I only have a problems with people like you and my2hands running around making snide comments that are usually off topic and never answering questions. That starts to piss a person off after a while. Sorry

Abookamongstthemany · April 2008

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Thats un-American.

People like you should be rounded up and sent to one of them secret prisons,
to be waterboarded, dehumanized, and held permanently without trial.

:cool:

Bring it on!

;)

stratomaster · April 2008

sweetpotato wrote:

and I guess I was right!

"Would you pretty please...

watch this film:
http://www.anunreasonableman.com/

I respect your opinion and don't expect to change your mind. But I would really be interested in evolving ideas with you as to how we progress this nation and how we move forward from here on out.

So if you have netflix or you rent...or whatever. I would really like ot hear your opinion and thoughts on this film...the special features are good as well. I see your intentions as truely honorable even though we have differing views on how to approach these problems. Even if it's not presidential...we could combine ideas on a grassroots level. We just need change, period.

shine on,

christie
__________________
Nader/Gonzalez '08!

'If any person in America has earned the right to be taken seriously, and to be debated on their own terms, surely it is Ralph Nader.'"

So i guess that was all just bullshit, huh, abook?

You know, when i received this exact same PM in my messagebox, i assumed it was a PM from a fellow Pearl Jam fan who genuinely believed that 'my' intentions were good and that it was a PM written to me personally.

I didn't realize that it was a generic message that was being sent to any one who had displayed their support for Obama.

If i want Nader supporters campaigning personally to me, i'll sign up with the appropriate Nader base and they can email me direct. With my permission, because i've signed up.

I'm done here.

Obama 08

Abookamongstthemany · April 2008

stratomaster wrote:

You know, when i received this exact same PM in my messagebox, i assumed it was a PM from a fellow Pearl Jam fan who genuinely believed that 'my' intentions were good and that it was a PM written to me personally.

I didn't realize that it was a generic message that was being sent to any one who had displayed their support for Obama.

If i want Nader supporters campaigning personally to me, i'll sign up with the appropriate Nader base and they can email me direct. With my permission, because i've signed up.

I'm done here.

Obama 08

Just because I sent it to more than one person does not mean it wasn't a sincere attempt to reach out. Sheesh. Why do you think I would even bother? At the time, a lot of you guys were down on Nader and I wanted you to see that he was about supporting the same things you guys do. I wanted you to see how small movements and efforts do make a difference. I thought we could come together because we all have common ground on these issues. It wasn't an attempt to change your mind but to understand where I'm coming from and show you how we're all in this together. I don't understand how me sending it to others takes anything away from it. I guess I should have put that I forwarded it to others in the pm...but it was out of sincere respect and mutual feelings that I figured we all shared.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · April 2008

I want to give fully military and financial support to Isreal to continue it's apartheid regime in the middle east to bulldoze homes and routinely kill Palestinians in the name of promoting peace.

I'm Barak Obama and I support this message.

El_Kabong · April 2008

it's a sad sight to see the vindictiveness by some, not to mention pettiness. anything but focus on issues. is it impossible to have a mature discussion around here anymore? what's w/ all the passive aggressive nastiness?

Im still here · April 2008

I'm voting for Hillary, matter of fact, already did

Commy · April 2008

Im still here wrote:

I'm voting for Hillary, matter of fact, already did

She wont' quit. If she isnt' the democratic candidate she's going to bring the entire democratic party down with her. She can't recognize the fact that she's lost.

bah, like it matters.

stratomaster · April 2008

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Just because I sent it to more than one person does not mean it wasn't a sincere attempt to reach out. Sheesh. Why do you think I would even bother? At the time, a lot of you guys were down on Nader and I wanted you to see that he was about supporting the same things you guys do. I wanted you to see how small movements and efforts do make a difference. I thought we could come together because we all have common ground on these issues. It wasn't an attempt to change your mind but to understand where I'm coming from and show you how we're all in this together. I don't understand how me sending it to others takes anything away from it. I guess I should have put that I forwarded it to others in the pm...but it was out of sincere respect and mutual feelings that I figured we all shared.

All ok. PM sent to you.

sweetpotato · April 2008

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Just because I sent it to more than one person does not mean it wasn't a sincere attempt to reach out. Sheesh. Why do you think I would even bother? At the time, a lot of you guys were down on Nader and I wanted you to see that he was about supporting the same things you guys do. I wanted you to see how small movements and efforts do make a difference. I thought we could come together because we all have common ground on these issues. It wasn't an attempt to change your mind but to understand where I'm coming from and show you how we're all in this together. I don't understand how me sending it to others takes anything away from it. I guess I should have put that I forwarded it to others in the pm...but it was out of sincere respect and mutual feelings that I figured we all shared.

then why have those mutual feelings and respect disapperaed? just because we haven't, in fact, changed our minds? this is what i don't get, and before you start screaming at me for addressing you in a thread, i just want to say that NONE of this was EVER directed at you personally. if i said anything to piss you off, please accept my apology, but honestly, you are being a bit hysterical, imo. i thought we were allowed and encouraged to disagree here, or has that changed?

let's remember that i really started this thread to point point out that some of the people who used to start a new ron paul thread every 6 seconds were now starting anti-obama threads with almost the same frequency. yes, i was being a pain in the ass, but drifting and roland seem to be handling it okay, they know i'm a pain in the ass. why are you taking it so personally??

sweetpotato · April 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

The sentiment of "they aren't going to win anyways so...oh well" is a defeatist attitude . Yes.

no, that would only be true if a) i WOULD vote for nader if i thought he'd make a good president, and b) if i actually DIDN'T like obama. both of those don't apply here.

while i DO think nader is a good guy, i don't think i'd vote for him even if he DID have a chance of winning because of the simple fact that he has no governing experience. it's wonderful to have lofty ideals but in order to get things done in government, you need to know how to navigate the waters, and i really don;t think a person who's never even been MAYOR can do that effectively. the other reason is that i really DO like obama. i'm not saying he's perfect, and he wasn't even my first choice. but of the FOUR candidates running right now- obama, clinton, nader and mccain- i truly think obama is the best person for the job. if that conflicts with your opinion, that's okay! 'cause this is america.

Ron Paul's SORE LOSERS

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