Contradictions Regarding U.S. Economy

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

A country is supposed to work for the benefit of it's people not just it's corporations. The country's booming economy means nothing if it's society isn't showing any reflection of it.

how is the country not showing any reflections? people are rewarded for hard work

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

The good ole US of A....willing to pull out all the stops to guarantee it's citizens have the best possible life and live in prosperity.

I see the good ol US of A as the people. not the government. I dont expect the government to guarantee me anything. i'm quite capable of doing it on my own. I and came from having nothing.

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Oh wait...that only goes for the ones lucky enough to buy the golden ticket. The rest might as well be from somewhere else.

what is a golden ticket?

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

So people with bad fortune or a lower IQ are just SOL? Wake up and smell the circumstances that are life.

I do know the circumstances of life. and life isnt always fair. that doesnt mean I should be forced to give 60% of my hard earned money to the unfortunate.

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

People who want to be lazy and live off the government are already doing it.

and you see this as ok? and condone more of it?

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

So you get to decide what the govt's roles should be and include?

no I didnt decide. the founding fathers did. I just live here.

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

How about the the war on poverty or the war on no health coverage, the war on pollution, the war on eroding rights....we need defense from these. This is supposed to be a democracy, right? Let's let the people decide what roles the govt should have instead this bullshit we see now of the rich buying out the govt and using it to only benefit their selfish interests....which aren't reflecting the needs of our society as a whole

its nice to be free isnt it? bitch all you want, i'm sure someone will listen. but i'd be more happy with less government involvemnent. like I said, I can take care of myself.

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

I don't despise people with money. I despise people with greed and no concern about how their actions create huge problems for the rest of us.

fine, hate greed. but the rest of this statement makes no sense at all. stop blaming successful people for your problems.

Commy wrote:

Considering the less fortunate tend to give up about that much to mostly the well-off, it seems only fair.



Givin a choice between two parties that have the same platform-similar ideas regarding the economy and war, the country can more accurately be described as fascist than free. I hate country music.

And less gov't is fine with me, as it sits now. But you realize this is supposed to be a democracy, so the less involvment by gov't amounts to less involvement by the people, insofar as the country is democratic.

That always makes me laugh, the cons claiming they need gov't out of their lives and out of the economy...but like I said, to take gov't out of the picture removes the public from the situation, and that kind of goes againt the ideas of democracy.



fine, hate greed. but the rest of this statement makes no sense at all. stop blaming successful people for your problems.

When one makes 20 million, ten thousand people lose.

For every well-off individual in this 'free' society, there are many individuals that are paying for that 'success'. Just how it goes in a class based society.[/quote]

i had a reply prepared but then i noticed your name. you support communism. you must be against free enterprise. so let me ask a question; do you think bill gates still would have invented windows if he didn't have an incentive? because if he still would have; then he wouldn't be worth billions now. he gives a bloody 10% to charity and everyone oooohhhs and aaahhhsss.

Commy wrote:

the name is misleading.
I am no longer in any way affiliated with the communist party.

I wish he gave 10%.

But your question is misleading, because it implies that there is no incentive in a collective, or at least a communist system, which may be true. But the idea in an economy run by the people, a democratic socialist state whatever you call it, the incentive to work is more compelling than what we have now...to be honest I guess I just don't have that selfish gene that drives some peeople to amass large amounts of money.

Ideally this drive isinstilled from birth but not as a selfish idea. And it is not something tought but instilled, allowed to grow, whatever...the idea is that idividuals actually give a shit about something and someone other than themselves and so strive for the better of the community as a whole, knowing that what benefits others will also benefit them. But they get also gain a certain satisfaction knowing they have helped the community, and maybe celebrities are born this way.

And knowing the human race won't destroy its environment allowing future generations to survive might bring a certain satisfaction as well, who knows.

that wasn't my quote but i like the question.
i'm only speaking for myself here. i say that in case i mention other names. i'm only speaking for myself.

the inspiration comes from having to eat potatoes for a month. people like reagan born dirt poor have to fight harder to get out of poverty. polish families are tight so my family worked together. we got a few lucky breaks but we all worked more than one job. when we finally MADE IT; i donated everything i didn't need. at that time money flowed like water. there'd always be more. i mostly donated land for wildlife habitat because i'm not a people person. don't get me wrong; i have lots of people that call me friend; but they're not what i'd call friends. a friend has unconditional loyalty and i only know a few of those. but i would help these people when they couldn't make the rent or car payment and maybe they'd help set up the stage or be my designated driver. but for the most part they took advantage of me and some stole from me under the guise of friendship.
then an aneurysm broke in my head and i became the plague. nobody but 2 friends were there when i needed them. it was during this time i realized how people really were. i've had more people do me wrong in the last 45 years then most people get to know. it was then; as i lay bedridden with my wife out conceiving a child with my sisters husband; that i vowed to get even with every one of them. yes; i know that's sick but i was sick at the time. i ended up getting even with all but 1. my ex. her time is now and she's facing at least 5 years in federal prison. it's taken me years but all is well. then a few months ago i started being harassed here on this board. prior to that i worked with abused children and donated time where it was needed to help my community. but when i got banned for something i didn't do; that and the harassment brought back all those feelings that people were worthless. so i stopped everything except what benefited me. i want you to know i have some dear friends on the board. i love them dearly and would do anything for them. but the basic "people in general" thing sticks with me. why do people have to be mean? if i mistyped something; simply ask for an explaination. don't attack me because YOU don't understand. during my ban i visited other boards and people are the same all over. so now i'm concerned about my little grand babies and making sure they have a good future. as to my attitude; if a 36 year stoner like me can work 2 or 3 jobs to get ahead; anyone can.
i'm sorry if i offended anyone. i didn't mean to. my ban was a dagger to my heart.