well, it's official...

farfromglorified wrote:

I don't understand. How can he "take" land by force? Is he going to shovel it all up and put it in the back of a truck? Where is he going to take it?

He could push you off of it and not allow you to return.

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

don't you blasphemize on the moving train.

Watch out or I'll start coveting your wife.

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

which one?

Whichever one can build me the best golden calf, of couse.

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

He could push you off of it and not allow you to return.

He's more than welcome to! By doing so he removes any claim to that land. He states by his actions that land is owned only by a man strong enough to take it, rather than by a man strong enough to hold it. And we'll operate on our standards in the face of his. We'll build a wall around him. We'll cut him off from all the benefits of society. We'll damn our rivers that feed his wells. We'll withhold our food that sustains his life. We'll remove our labor that build his home. We'll withhold our money that bribes his believers. We'll test his Godliness to see if he can starve. And when he proves to be nothing more than another weak man, we'll take back what's ours.

farfromglorified wrote:

He's more than welcome to! By doing so he removes any claim to that land. He states by his actions that land is owned only by a man strong enough to take it, rather than by a man strong enough to hold it. And we'll operate on our standards in the face of his. We'll build a wall around him. We'll cut him off from all the benefits of society. We'll damn our rivers that feed his wells. We'll withhold our food that sustains his life. We'll remove our labor that build his home. We'll withhold our money that bribes his believers. We'll test his Godliness to see if he can starve. And when he proves to be nothing more than another weak man, we'll take back what's ours.

where are all these 'we' people at?

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

where are all these 'we' people at?

They are all around me. They are those who believe land is owned by the men who hold it, not the men who take it. They're my friends, my neighbors. And they are your usurper's worst enemy.

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Well, I don't see them being able to do too much and when they do they are demonized and/or killed.

"Demonization" isn't going to stop me or my neighbors. You may "demonize" us all you want. Your "demonization" can't stop us from our work as it holds no relevancy to our thoughts.

The default "killing" of us is not listed in your terms. You have given me a simple proposition: leave or be killed. I'll choose the former and see you suffer for it.

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Demonization can cause support for you to be very limited.

We didn't need "support" before you came. We do not need it now.

And can bring tons of aid to your oppressor. This can't mean good news for you.

It can when that aid must travel across our lands to arrive.

Even when you see your family suffering greatly from being removed?

Since that is the whole reason behind our struggle, it only makes us stronger.

I'm figuring that some of this suffering will lead to angry retaliations.

"Angry retaliations" are the product of your standards, not ours. Emotions do not drive us.

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Emotions don't drive you. Does it completely discredit one who is driven by emotions?

No. Our actions hold no relevance to that. What discredits one who is driven by emotions is when their emotions contradict their reason.

It's not hard for me to understand someone acting out of desperation.

Me neither. It's also not hard for me to understand that such actions typically lead to more desperation.

I don't agree with the killing these actions may include but I can understand where they are coming from.

Me too. They come from stupidity.

It does not take away my concern for them.

Nor mine.

Does it negate the your righteousness if your strong will failed you from time to time?

No. It negates my claim that I never fail.

angelica wrote:

Are you talking about how their emotions and reason look to you, from the outside? Are you saying your own psyche is the accurate instrument of measurement, here?

Just the opposite. I'm telling you that their psyche is the accurate instrument of measurement here.