Benazir Bhutto 'killed in blast'

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  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    jlew24asu wrote:
    easy fella. just get back from the gym? I think it was brave. and so are her supporters.

    I meant now what, as in now what are her supporters supposed to do.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Eddie Better wrote:
    I meant now what, as in now what are her supporters supposed to do.

    rally around someone else with the same principles of freedom and democracy. who? I have no idea, but im sure they do
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    jlew24asu wrote:
    rally around someone else with the same principles of freedom and democracy. who? I have no idea, but im sure they do

    I don't know. I think all hope is lost now. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    jlew24asu wrote:
    rally around someone else with the same principles of freedom and democracy. who? I have no idea, but im sure they do

    Well, it doesn't work like that, I'm afraid.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/US_backing_made_Benazir_a_marked_woman_Imran/articleshow/2659645.cms
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Well, it doesn't work like that, I'm afraid.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/US_backing_made_Benazir_a_marked_woman_Imran/articleshow/2659645.cms


    doesnt work like what? this article says she was killed because of US backing. hmmm that must mean mushareff is on the hit list too? and the king of saudi? the Iraqi president? etc etc...
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    If you back someone you know you don't want (and know they are going down), then you can raise a stink in the name of "terrorism" (immediately cite Al-qaeda) ....then promote your own cause as justification when they do go down.

    Just saying...that's how it''s done...that's politics.
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Pakistan is the 'Lesser Of Two Evils' to us. This does not mean we should be supporting them, both financially or militarily. We tried that with Saddam Hussein in the 1980s as well as Usama Bin Laden and the Mujahadin... those didn't pan out so well.
    And we should remember, Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) originally set up the Taliban in Afghanistan after the Soviets decided it was not worth the trouble.
    "The ISI also openly backs the Taliban and fuels the 12-year-old insurgency in northern India’s disputed Kashmir province by ‘sponsoring’ Muslim militant groups and ministering its policy of ‘death by a thousand cuts’ that so effectively drove the Soviets out of Afghanistan and led to their political demise."
    Add: "Former Pakistani president General Mohammad Zia-ul-Haq, who was ultimately assassinated along with his ISI chief, expanded the agency’s internal charter by tasking it with collecting information on local religious and political groups opposed to his military regime. Under Gen Zia the ISI’s Internal Political Division reportedly assassinated Shah Nawaz Bhutto, one of the two brothers of former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto, by poisoning him on the French Riviera in 1985. The aim was to intimidate Miss Bhutto into not returning to Pakistan to direct the multi-party movement for the restoration of democracy, but Miss Bhutto refused to be cowed down and returned home, only to be toppled by the ISI soon after becoming prime minister in 1988."
    (Source: http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/misc/janes011001_1_n.shtml )
    ...
    Also,
    "Document 1 - [Excised] to Ron McMullen (Afghanistan Desk), "Developments in Afghanistan," December 5, 1994, Unknown Classification, 1 p. [Excised]

    Just as the Taliban are emerging as a major player in Afghanistan, a source [name excised] is troubled over Pakistan's deep involvement in Afghan politics and Pakistan's evident role in the Taliban's recent military successes. His concerns include, "that the GOP [Government of Pakistan] ISI [Inter-Services Intelligence] is deeply involved in the Taleban take over in Kandahar and Qalat," and that Pakistan's efforts to further its agenda in Afghanistan will sabotage U.N. peace efforts currently being led by Mahmoud Mesteri, Special Envoy for Afghanistan for the U.N. Secretary General."

    (Ref.: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB227/index.htm )
    ...
    I consider Pakistan to be the most potentially dangerous country out there because she already possesses both nuclear weapons and tested delivery systems. Couple that with their underlying fundamentalist beliefs... it's no wonder Bin Laden is still on the loose and if anyone is going to supply him with the potential to unleash a nuclear horror... it's Pakistan.
    ...
    Again... somoeone remind me... WHY are we still funnelling cash and weapons to them?
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    Cosmo wrote:
    Pakistan is the 'Lesser Of Two Evils' to us. This does not mean we should be supporting them, both financially or militarily. We tried that with Saddam Hussein in the 1980s as well as Usama Bin Laden and the Mujahadin... those didn't pan out so well.
    And we should remember, Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) originally set up the Taliban in Afghanistan after the Soviets decided it was not worth the trouble.
    "The ISI also openly backs the Taliban and fuels the 12-year-old insurgency in northern India’s disputed Kashmir province by ‘sponsoring’ Muslim militant groups and ministering its policy of ‘death by a thousand cuts’ that so effectively drove the Soviets out of Afghanistan and led to their political demise."
    Add: "Former Pakistani president General Mohammad Zia-ul-Haq, who was ultimately assassinated along with his ISI chief, expanded the agency’s internal charter by tasking it with collecting information on local religious and political groups opposed to his military regime. Under Gen Zia the ISI’s Internal Political Division reportedly assassinated Shah Nawaz Bhutto, one of the two brothers of former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto, by poisoning him on the French Riviera in 1985. The aim was to intimidate Miss Bhutto into not returning to Pakistan to direct the multi-party movement for the restoration of democracy, but Miss Bhutto refused to be cowed down and returned home, only to be toppled by the ISI soon after becoming prime minister in 1988."
    (Source: http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/misc/janes011001_1_n.shtml )
    ...
    Also,
    "Document 1 - [Excised] to Ron McMullen (Afghanistan Desk), "Developments in Afghanistan," December 5, 1994, Unknown Classification, 1 p. [Excised]

    Just as the Taliban are emerging as a major player in Afghanistan, a source [name excised] is troubled over Pakistan's deep involvement in Afghan politics and Pakistan's evident role in the Taliban's recent military successes. His concerns include, "that the GOP [Government of Pakistan] ISI [Inter-Services Intelligence] is deeply involved in the Taleban take over in Kandahar and Qalat," and that Pakistan's efforts to further its agenda in Afghanistan will sabotage U.N. peace efforts currently being led by Mahmoud Mesteri, Special Envoy for Afghanistan for the U.N. Secretary General."

    (Ref.: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB227/index.htm )
    ...
    I consider Pakistan to be the most potentially dangerous country out there because she already possesses both nuclear weapons and tested delivery systems. Couple that with their underlying fundamentalist beliefs... it's no wonder Bin Laden is still on the loose and if anyone is going to supply him with the potential to unleash a nuclear horror... it's Pakistan.
    ...
    Again... somoeone remind me... WHY are we still funnelling cash and weapons to them?


    Musharaff is Washingtons puppet , he has very little popular support in Pakistan but has the backing of the military, also supported by WAshington. The assissination was a good thing for Washington. So yea I'm wondering.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    This is why the western media jumped on the al-qaeda blame game because people aren't afraid of guns so much as bombs. The fact that the western media started pumping out bombs and al-qaeda is immediately a red flag.

    so many differing stories, but the reality is she was shot, and the truth is coming out http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=36727&sectionid=351020401

    nice try...but no cigar, however, you can't un-ring a bell, and many will still think it's Al-qaeda no matter what reports come out after the fact. Again the seeds of neo-con extasy are planted.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Commy wrote:
    Musharaff is Washingtons puppet , he has very little popular support in Pakistan but has the backing of the military, also supported by WAshington. The assissination was a good thing for Washington. So yea I'm wondering.
    ...
    Who benefits from the elimination of Bhutto? Well, the political opponent running against her is one. And the fundamentalist religious fucks that saw her as pushing Western-style secularism to Pakistan. Those are the two big winners with her out of the picture.
    Pakistan has postponed their elections to possibly mid-March. It wouldn't surprize one bit if political rallies in Pakistan are subdued due to 'Terrorist threats'. Mushareff is using a page from the Bush/Cheney playbook... terrorists are to blame... but civil liberties are the ones that get knocked off.
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  • Songburst
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