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  • YWTC 1, 2 and 7 fell STRAIGHT THROUGH the path of GREATEST resistance.

    THIS is the path of greatest resistance.

    Buildings don't fall through the center of their massive steel supports, and they certainly don't do it falling at an increasing speed, mimicking gravity.

    9.8 m/s/s is NOT pancaking.
    That is FREE FALLING.

    Free fall equals ZERO resistance.

    Good video. Explains it well. The official story explanation fucked up a lot of people's heads. Precisely what it was meant to do.
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  • chopitdown wrote:
    http://www.designnews.com/article/CA6363426.html
    He described the issue in a nutshell: “Because of their unique design and the use of the so called “steel bearing wall” tube structural system, which as far as we know has never been used before or after its application in the WTC towers, the buildings essentially showed no resistance to the impact of a medium-sized plane flying into them at about 450miles per hour.”

    Elaborating on the novelty of the design, he said that the notion of a ‘structural framing system’ simply didn’t apply in the case of the twin towers. “Rather than traditional columns and beams, the designers employed a steel bearing wall tube system for the perimeter and steel truss joists in the floors that connected the gravity load-carrying inner core columns to the outside perimeter steel bearing walls. The relatively thin steel bearing wall pre-fabricated units of the perimeter bearing tube were bolted together in a Lego-like fashion to expedite construction” he explained.

    He also noted that designers chose to fabricate many of the building columns out of very high strength steel [90 ksi steel as opposed to the more typical 36-65 ksi steel]. “This is not allowed by the structural design codes then and is still notallowed in current codes,” he stressed. “But the World Trade Center did not need to obtain a permit from City Hall. Because of special status as Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, they could make such choices outside the prevailing codes.”

    This choice, he argued, allowed builders to use less steel in the columns [two to three times thinner than typical columns] presumably to save cost.

    But by using high strength steel and thin cross sections, he pointed out, on impact the plane was able to cut through the outside steel bearing wall and enter the building--delivering thousands of gallons of jet fuel to the interior. During the ensuing fire, he said, the thin outside columns of the steel bearing walls were quite vulnerable to the rapid rise of temperature in them and reduction of their strength as a result of rising temperature of the steel.

    “When the fires started, they heated up the steel. In my opinion, the truss joists collapsed first, leaving the exterior columns of probably two floors in the impact area with no bracing but still under gravity load from the floors above. As the columns heated up and reached temperatures of nearly 1,000F, their strength was reduced to less than half the design strength and they started to buckle. When the columns buckled, the top portion of the building, losing its supports, was pulled down by gravity and dropping on the floors below, pancaking the floors one after another and leading to progressive collapse in an almost perfect vertical direction of the pull of gravity force.”

    In a 2001 article Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation, published in the Journal of Metal, MIT Material Engineering Professor Thomas Eagar and Graduate Student Christopher Musso concluded that the failure of the steel resulted from loss of strength due to the temperature of the fire and the loss of structural integrity due to distortion of the steel from non-uniform temperatures in the fire. They did not comment on the type of steel used in the design.

    In that paper, they concluded that the World Trade Center was not defectively designed, and that “no designer of the WTC anticipated, nor should have anticipated, a 90,000 L Molotov cocktail on one of the building floors.”

    Astaneh-Asl says that the reason for undertaking his studies is not to implicate the designers, but rather to look into the design and answer the basic question that has bothered him since September 11: “Why did these towers collapse so quickly and so completely while other steel structures, including skyscrapers, under intense fire for hours, have not failed?”

    He says that he feels he is closing in on the answer. “These structures were so unique that their collapse does not represent the performance expected of any other existing steel high-rise structure subjected to the same scenario,” he says.

    This article is not only misleading, it is full of outright lies.

    1. Like all "Pro-Official-Story" articles, it TOTALY IGNORES THE CENTRAL COLUMNS. The WTC towers were not some flimsy "tubelike structures" with no central columns, as this article clearly implies. "Rather than traditional columns and beams"? THE TOWERS HAD 47 MASSIVE CENTRAL COLUMNS!

    2. It grossly mistates the load carying capacity of the exterior support structure, which was designed to PREVENT a collapse from happening, not HELP it.

    3. The article states that the building designers "simply didn't account for a 90,000 L molotov cocktail" when this is an outright blatant lie. THEY EXPLICITLY DESIGNED THE TOWERS TO WITHSTAND THE IMPACT OF MULTIPLE 707 AIRLINERS, which are actualy almost identicaly comparable with a modern 747.

    WATCH THIS SOMETIME

    The guy is a liscenced structural engineer and he makes some VERY IMPORTANT points, and walks you through some of the gross mistatemetns and blatant lies and trickery in the NIST reports, etc.

    For example, the load bearing capacity of that external frame was designed to carry and ADDED LOAD OF 2000+ % ... that means if any of the steel was damaged on the outer frame, the remaining structure could absorb TWO THOUSAND PERCENT MORE load than it was carrying before any damage.

    Now, the NIST report would have us believe that a TWENTY FIVE PERCENT increase in load was responsible for a MASSIVE CATASTROPHIC MIND FUCK OF A FAILURE.

    ?????

    2000 vs 25

    TWO THOUSAND vs TWENTY FIVE

    ????
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  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
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  • PEPPER wrote:
    Building 7 is not an issue...no one was inside it so if the governemt decided to blow that up who cares...they had I believe 6 hours to blow it up and it was structually unsound

    As for the towers...how many floors was that thing? All of you footage links you gave were all from buildings not even half the size of the towers so they cannot be compared.

    Just answer me this, then I think I will be done, if we blew it up from the bottom, why did it crumble from the top?

    You folks amaze me with your ability to "Go both ways" but still dodge any real truth.

    So you think the government may have rigged up WTC7 on the SPOT just to bring it down?

    Fighting the fire wasn't an option, but they had time to rig it up on the spot? ???

    HERE IS A CLOSE UP VIDEO OF A CAMERA SHAKING DUE TO SEISMIC ACTIVITY PRIOR TO COLLAPSE

    The entire theory isn't based off of some damn video either,
    its just another exhibit in a mounting pile of evidence that 911 was ANYTHING but a random act of terror.
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  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
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    Thanks...I was just searching Creedence Clearwater Revival, thought I was onto something. If you hadn't told me who it was by, I could have been here all day, going crazy....:D
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  • PEPPER wrote:
    Building 7 is not an issue...no one was inside it so if the governemt decided to blow that up who cares...they had I believe 6 hours to blow it up and it was structually unsound

    6 hours to rig a textbook building demolition in a burning building?

    uhhh? what? Explain to me how that all works again?
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  • Collin
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  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    6 hours to rig a textbook building demolition in a burning building?

    uhhh? what? Explain to me how that all works again?

    I know considering everyone says it would have taken weeks or months to rig the other two buildings.
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  • I'll give a cookie to the first person who can come up with a plausible explanation for what those 4 loud events are.

    Anyone?

    What specific structural event is occuring, if you are indeed not willing to conceed they may be explosions.

    ?
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  • Collin
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    I'll give a cookie to the first person who can come up with a plausible explanation for what those 4 loud events are.

    Anyone?

    What specific structural event is occuring, if you are indeed not willing to conceed they may be explosions.

    ?

    Only a cookie, eh?

    Throw in some milk and I'm game (what is game, who got game, where's the game...)
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  • spiral out wrote:
    I know considering everyone says it would have taken weeks or months to rig the other two buildings.


    Yeah apparently it being on fire makes it TONS easier and faster to crawl around inside and lay wires everywhere.

    Holy flying, pork eating, gambling, alcohol drinking, devout Muslims caught on camera in two places at once, batman!!!
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  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    I remember seeing a video that was taken by a camera mounted on a tripod and it shows the tower shake, and a piece of debris fall, about 10 seconds before it goes down. I can't find the video now. Anyone know which one I am talking about?
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  • so what happened then? are there any other plausible explanations? if so explain, and explain who was behind it and how they pulled it off. we need answers, people! create a theory and expose it to criticism. use your noggins, not youtube links.
  • I remember seeing a video that was taken by a camera mounted on a tripod and it shows the tower shake, and a piece of debris fall, about 10 seconds before it goes down. I can't find the video now. Anyone know which one I am talking about?

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  • MrSmith wrote:
    so what happened then? are there any other plausible explanations? if so explain, and explain who was behind it and how they pulled it off. we need answers, people! use your noggins, not youtube links.

    I would love to know your behavior over the years towards JFK researchers.

    :rolleyes:

    disgraceful.
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  • create a theory and expose it to criticism. compare it with the official story. see if it stands up to any sort of critical study.

    you won't because you can't.
  • ledvedderman
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    MrSmith wrote:
    create a theory and expose it to criticism. compare it with the official story. see if it stands up to any sort of critical study.

    you won't because you can't.

    I would be interested in Roland and Driftings theories. We know that you think there's a vast conspiracy, but you've never really spelled it out. Put out there what you believe for debate. No youtube links or anything else, just your flat out opinion of what you think happened.

    Me? The biggest conspiracy from that day is that the plane in PA was shot down and the gov't exploited the "Let's Roll" theory. I think a lot more happened than what is shown in the 9/11 report. I think we knew it was coming and saw it as a justified reason to go to war.
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    This is an excellent site. Information overload. But if you've got hours and hours to kill, have a look.

    http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    What IS that sound?
    You tell me.

    This is gonna be fun.

    EDIT: LINK CORRECTED (doh)

    Yes it does look and sound like bombs exploding but it can also be, as someone already mentioned, the pressure blowing out the windows and pulverized concrete blowing out making the white clouds.
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