Why Obama's Got "Complete Confidence" In Clinton

aNiMaL · December 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Well you know what...you are blind partisan if you don't know the details of something for yourself, but just follow along with the crowd as though you do.

I prefer to think about things, and not follow the crowd despite not knowing and fully understanding the details. You on the other hand appear to be deficient in this regard.

I guess its too much of me to ask for intelligent discussion from you. Some were capable of it, some got the joke...some didn't apparently.

My crime, at worst, is not fully understanding the situation and bringing it up for discussion with hopes of having a legitimate discourse about it.

Sigh...how terrible I am :rolleyes:

Forgive me for questioning your sacred leader, or trying to clarify something or seek legitimate viewpoints devoid of the blather factor.

my mistake apparently

do you have any more?

Anyone else see the irony oozing from this post? You keep trying to damn me on the one thing that I told you that I didn't know a lot about - quickly got caught up to speed and formed my own opinion.

But then you follow it up with that you didn't know or have a full understanding on the subject.

I gave you intelligent discussion several times by pointing out how what you were afraid of was unsubstantiated (in the other thread). You never could accept that - that is until you back peddle and said that thread was a ruse.

In this thread I have asked you several times to back up your claim that Obama ran as anti-war across the board. Every time I have, you have attacked me.

You can question my soon to be leader all you want. You just better come with something original and meaningful not from obamacrimes.com, clearly hell bent on slandering the president-elect. Have some real, well thought out issues other than trying to paint him with your anti-American rhetoric from slanted websites, and then we can talk.

my2hands · December 2008

i refuse to debate or discuss foreign policy with people that base their entire view of foreign policy on the fact that they believe 9/11 was an inside job

thats the real problem with my buddies roland and driftin' on topics like this... they view everything through the lense that they believe 9/11 was an inside job... which completely hinders them from looking at world events and US government policy in a realistic and sensible way... they think everything is a scam and everything is decided and guided by a shadowy group of elites with a goal of world domination

so yeah, it is pretty much a waste of time talking foreign policy with folks like that in my opinion

RolandTD20Kdrummer · December 2008

aNiMaL wrote:

Anyone else see the irony oozing from this post? You keep trying to damn me on the one thing that I told you that I didn't know a lot about - quickly got caught up to speed and formed my own opinion.

But then you follow it up with that you didn't know or have a full understanding on the subject.

I gave you intelligent discussion several times by pointing out how what you were afraid of was unsubstantiated (in the other thread). You never could accept that - that is until you back peddle and said that thread was a ruse.

In this thread I have asked you several times to back up your claim that Obama ran as anti-war across the board. Every time I have, you have attacked me.

You can question my soon to be leader all you want. You just better come with something original and meaningful not from obamacrimes.com, clearly hell bent on slandering the president-elect. Have some real, well thought out issues other than trying to paint him with your anti-American rhetoric from slanted websites, and then we can talk.

Where and when have I attacked you?

Thread started out light hearted and whimsical. You admitted yourself to not knowing all the details. What do you do not understand about that reality?

You yourself claimed you didn't know something and were following the status quo (which is by default at that point), I point it out...you admit to it, and how is that my problem...why is that my fault is the question. How can I even be faulted for that is a better question.

Then you go on about you're right, I'm wrong, and I back peddled. Even at worse case scenario, my worst crime, at face value, is not knowing all the facts or perhaps trying to open up a legitimate discussion about without all your ridiculous insinuations towards what I think and believe by lumping the entire anti Obama speil rhetoric into what I think ....all of which are wrong btw.

Simply ridiculous.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · December 2008

my2hands wrote:

i refuse to debate or discuss foreign policy with people that base their entire view of foreign policy on the fact that they believe 9/11 was an inside job

thats the real problem with my buddies roland and driftin' on topics like this... they view everything through the lense that they believe 9/11 was an inside job... which completely hinders them from looking at world events and US government policy in a realistic and sensible way... they think everything is a scam and everything is decided and guided by a shadowy group of elites with a goal of world domination

so yeah, it is pretty much a waste of time talking foreign policy with folks like that in my opinion

How do Obama's appointees play into 9/11? If you could point that out you might have something, but really you're just over generalising the issue to confirm something that you yourself just want to believe despite.

aNiMaL · December 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Where and when have I attacked you?

Thread started out light hearted and whimsical. You admitted yourself to not knowing all the details. What do you do not understand about that reality?

You yourself claimed you didn't know something and were following the status quo (which is by default at that point), I point it out...you admit to it, and how is that my problem...why is that my fault is the question. How can I even be faulted for that is a better question.

Then you go on about you're right, I'm wrong, and I back peddled. Even at worse case scenario, my worst crime, at face value, is not knowing all the facts or perhaps trying to open up a legitimate discussion about without all your ridiculous insinuations towards what I think and believe by lumping the entire anti Obama speil rhetoric into what I think ....all of which are wrong btw.

Simply ridiculous.

You attacked me by assuming I am a blind partisan - when that couldn;t be further from the truth.

I admitted to not knowing all the details about one topic - you took that to damn my every word and how you "couldn't help me." Dude, i don't need help from someone who basis his opinions and sites things from such a slanted website.

I never once admitted to following the stus quo. Now you are making shit up.

Did i ever say it was your fault because I admitted to not knowing every fact about the Indonesia claim? Nope, that again never took place between you and I. You did however on multiple occasions falsely insinuate that I do not know what I am talking about at all because of the one topic i admitted to not knowing a lot about. I find that ironic as you also just admitted to not knowing all the facts - but that is okay for you to keep the discussion alive, but I am somehow wrong for doing so.

Your post(s) lend me and most others to believe that you are so against Obama and you will post anything and everything to try to back up your suspicions and will try to paint him in as negative of a light as possible. And then when people call your bluff, you are now saying that it was a ruse. A trick. Light hearted and whimsical.

Okay, so we both admit to not knowing all the details,. But that doesn't take away from my point at all with regards to the Birth Certificate forgery claim and about the Indonesian duel citizenship issue - both of which you brought up for discussion. Did you not have a point in all this?

aNiMaL · December 2008

my2hands wrote:

i refuse to debate or discuss foreign policy with people that base their entire view of foreign policy on the fact that they believe 9/11 was an inside job

thats the real problem with my buddies roland and driftin' on topics like this... they view everything through the lense that they believe 9/11 was an inside job... which completely hinders them from looking at world events and US government policy in a realistic and sensible way... they think everything is a scam and everything is decided and guided by a shadowy group of elites with a goal of world domination

so yeah, it is pretty much a waste of time talking foreign policy with folks like that in my opinion

Too funny. that hasn't come up - except I have used the ridiculous 9/11 conspiracy claims as a bench mark for ridiculously claimed things that i also dismiss as ridiculous. Just like these claims of forged HI birth certificates and having given up his US citizenship when he was 5 years old.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · December 2008

aNiMaL wrote:

You attacked me by assuming I am a blind partisan - when that couldn;t be further from the truth.

I admitted to not knowing all the details about one topic - you took that to damn my every word and how you "couldn't help me." Dude, i don't need help from someone who basis his opinions and sites things from such a slanted website.

I never once admitted to following the stus quo. Now you are making shit up.

Did i ever say it was your fault because I admitted to not knowing every fact about the Indonesia claim? Nope, that again never took place between you and I. You did however on multiple occasions falsely insinuate that I do not know what I am talking about at all because of the one topic i admitted to not knowing a lot about. I find that ironic as you also just admitted to not knowing all the facts - but that is okay for you to keep the discussion alive, but I am somehow wrong for doing so.

Your post(s) lend me and most others to believe that you are so against Obama and you will post anything and everything to try to back up your suspicions and will try to paint him in as negative of a light as possible. And then when people call your bluff, you are now saying that it was a ruse. A trick. Light hearted and whimsical.

Okay, so we both admit to not knowing all the details,. But that doesn't take away from my point at all with regards to the Birth Certificate forgery claim and about the Indonesian duel citizenship issue - both of which you brought up for discussion. Did you not have a point in all this?

Dude, if you don't look into something personally and go on what other people say...then what are you doing. answer: you blindly following along with the stauts quo in a partisan manner.

This conversation is already past retarded.

aNiMaL · December 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Dude, if you don't look into something personally and go on what other people say...then what are you doing. answer: you blindly following along with the stauts quo in a partisan manner.

This conversation is already past retarded.

Thankfully, I did look into these topics personally, and formed my very own opinion. At what point didn't I do that? At what point did I say that someone else said this so that is what i will say too?

I have never followed anything in a partisan matter - EVER. Every opion I have i take very personally. I dare you and challenge you to disprove me on that standpoint. Try it! I stand on my own two feet. I form my own opinions and stand by them! Prove me otherwise.

aNiMaL · December 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Dude, if you don't look into something personally and go on what other people say...then what are you doing. answer: you blindly following along with the stauts quo in a partisan manner.

This conversation is already past retarded.

I love how you have shy'd away from answering any of my direct questions and instead just resorted to slinging mud at me.

Why Obama's Got "Complete Confidence" In Clinton

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