Why Obama's Got "Complete Confidence" In Clinton
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aNiMaL wrote:His bipartisan selection shows he is willing to govern from where the majority of this country lives, the middle. And for that, i am pleased thus far.
I remember that the majority of your country gave the thumbs up to Bush to invade Iraq. So forgive me if I don't take much comfort in that... especially since Obama wants to "fiercely prosecute the war on terror."
I can't exactly say that his bipartisan picks are reassuring either. Perhaps it's better to look at their stances and history instead of focusing on which party they are.THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!
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PJ_Saluki wrote:Do you have a point?
He never does. It's always vitriol without substance, unsubstantiated claims, and when you try to call him out he labels you as brainwashed and a moron for having a different opinion.Bright eyed kid: "Wow Typo Man, you're the best!"
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Kann wrote:I don't understand your post. Did Obama declare a war?
One more fucking time, for the fucking rest of you here.
BEFORE THE IRAQ WAR STARTED, THIS IS WHAT OBAMA HAD TO SAY IN 2002:OBAMA'S OWN MOUTH wrote:I don’t oppose all wars.
And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism.
What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perles and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.
What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Roves to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone thru the worst month since the Great Depression.
That’s what Im opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.
And i'm STILL seeing goofballs respond telling me, "i don't remember when the democrats EVER said they were against the war." or "i wouldn't want a president who was totally against war."
HE SAID SPECIFICALLY
"I don’t oppose all wars."
"That’s what Im opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics."
YOU SHOULD BE PROUD OF THAT.
THE GUY SPOKE OUT AGAINST A STUPID FUCKING WAR, BEFORE IT FUCKING STARTED.
HOLD THE MOTHERFUCKER TO THAT SPEECH!
Why does it make me the obnoxious idiot to remind you folks of something that, at ONE point, was a very important part of the Obama campaign, let alone of the entire democratic congress that was put in office LARGELY to end the war.
Denying that makes YOU folks look like the loonies.
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aNiMaL wrote:You mean how we were duped for the last 8 fucking years?
Obama is not even the leader yet. Your going off the deep end Driftin'.
What are you even talking about? When has Obama ever said that he is 100% opposed to war? I am not, and I don't want a leader who is afraid to go to war. I do however want a leader who knows when it is time and when it is NOT time to go to war. To only use the military powers when all other options have been expended.
You and Roland run around this forum with diarrhea of the keyboard damning any and everything about Obama thus far and I am starting to grow quite tired of it and have grown an incredibly slanted opinion about you personally. I always thought you were smarter and a more logical thinker than this. Boy, was i wrong.
FACT: Your boy was against the war before it started.
FACT: He talked tough on the war during the primaries.
FACT: Many people were turned on to Obama because of his apparent anti-war views.
FACT: Go read his transcript. He was opposed to this war before it started.
FACT: He has very much flip flopped on his opinion of the war.
FACT: Many of his faithful are still in denial over this.
Of COURSE he NEVER said he was 100% opposed to war.YOU wrote:What are you even talking about? When has Obama ever said that he is 100% opposed to war? I am not, and I don't want a leader who is afraid to go to war. I do however want a leader who knows when it is time and when it is NOT time to go to war. To only use the military powers when all other options have been expended.
But, go READ HIS SPEECH.
I don’t oppose all wars.
What I am opposed to is a dumb war.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID YOU BELIEVE.
Why would you let him off the hook for reverting his stance 180 on that?
Why do you folks shit on people for bringing that up,
and then WORSE, you DENY that it was ever even true.
"WHEN DID OBAMA EVER SAY HE WAS AGAINST WAR?"
and other such BULLSHIT.
I JUST FUCKING SHOWED YOU. POINT BLANK. NO AVOIDING IT.
HE FUCKING SAID IT.
MILLIONS OF PEOPLE BELIEVED IT.
NOW HE TURNS OUT TO BE FULL OF SHIT OVER IT.
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War you can believe in?Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Driftin' where you and I differ is that you think there is and always has been just one war.
Once you wrap your head around the fact that the Iraq war never started as a war on terrorism, the sooner you will be able to grasp what I am talking about.
Just like Obama, I disagree with unjust wars like the one that started in Iraq when the just war on terror fissiled out in Afghanistan.
Obama was against the war in Iraq, not the war on terror. Get that through your head and then we can continue.0 -
To end the unjust war in Iraq, not the war on terrorism. Again, when you can understand that the Iraq war never started as a war on terror, it was a separate war all together, you will see that Obama is still on track with his stance on war, as am I.DriftingByTheStorm wrote:One more fucking time, for the fucking rest of you here.
BEFORE THE IRAQ WAR STARTED, THIS IS WHAT OBAMA HAD TO SAY IN 2002:
And i'm STILL seeing goofballs respond telling me, "i don't remember when the democrats EVER said they were against the war." or "i wouldn't want a president who was totally against war."
HE SAID SPECIFICALLY
"I don’t oppose all wars."
"That’s what Im opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics."
YOU SHOULD BE PROUD OF THAT.
THE GUY SPOKE OUT AGAINST A STUPID FUCKING WAR, BEFORE IT FUCKING STARTED.
HOLD THE MOTHERFUCKER TO THAT SPEECH!
Why does it make me the obnoxious idiot to remind you folks of something that, at ONE point, was a very important part of the Obama campaign, let alone of the entire democratic congress that was put in office LARGELY to end the war.
Denying that makes YOU folks look like the loonies.
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DriftingByTheStorm wrote:One more fucking time, for the fucking rest of you here.
BEFORE THE IRAQ WAR STARTED, THIS IS WHAT OBAMA HAD TO SAY IN 2002:
And i'm STILL seeing goofballs respond telling me, "i don't remember when the democrats EVER said they were against the war." or "i wouldn't want a president who was totally against war."
HE SAID SPECIFICALLY
"I don’t oppose all wars."
"That’s what Im opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics."
YOU SHOULD BE PROUD OF THAT.
THE GUY SPOKE OUT AGAINST A STUPID FUCKING WAR, BEFORE IT FUCKING STARTED.
HOLD THE MOTHERFUCKER TO THAT SPEECH!
Why does it make me the obnoxious idiot to remind you folks of something that, at ONE point, was a very important part of the Obama campaign, let alone of the entire democratic congress that was put in office LARGELY to end the war.
Denying that makes YOU folks look like the loonies.
:rolleyes:
I'm sorry, I'm a little slow, I still don't understand (this is honest btw, not an attempt to mock). I get it that Obama said he was against useless wars in 2002, what I don't get is why his supporters should be mad at him and start holding him to his words? What has he done that shows he started a war based on nothing?0 -
So all the people that got the notion that Obama was anti war were just being foolish and kidding themselves? Is not the running ideology that democrats end wars?
I'm not so sure that was face value public vibe.
Not to mention a lot of people think the whole Bush war on terror invention was a joke to begin with.Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I fail to see the problem. Obama said he is against unjust wars, right? Does that mean he is anti-war to you and Driftin'? Because i never got that from him. i never once heard him say that he is against all wars. Obama said he will end the war in Iraq and beef up the war in Afghanistan. What's the problem there? Where did he say he would do otherwise?RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:So all the people that got the notion that Obama was anti war were just being foolish and kidding themselves? Is not the running ideology that democrats end wars?
I'm not so sure that was face value public vibe.
Not to mention a lot of people think the whole Bush war on terror invention was a joke to begin with.0 -
aNiMaL wrote:I fail to see the problem. Obama said he is against unjust wars, right? Does that mean he is anti-war to you and Driftin'? Because i never got that from him. i never once heard him say that he is against all wars. Obama said he will end the war in Iraq and beef up the war in Afghanistan. What's the problem there? Where did he say he would do otherwise?
I've boatloads of people saying how anti war Obama is. He's all about diplomacy they cried not war.
With regards to the public in general, it's highly deceptive at best.Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Again, when did Obama say he was anti-war?RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:I've boatloads of people saying how anti war Obama is. He's all about diplomacy they cried not war.
With regards to the public in general, it's highly deceptive at best.
Obama has always (as long as it has been an issue) been about bolstering up the war on terror in Afghanistan. I think that is the right move. That is a just war.
Public vibe now, that is the "angle" you are using now. Laughs dude.
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I remember hearing loooots of people say Obama was 'anti-war' but I guess in order for them to justify being lied to they create this fantasy where no one thought this or thought only considered his 'change' to be simply from a -R to a -D or 'governing from the center' instead of the fairy tales pushed during campaign time.
You know, kinda like how so many liberals were against the patriot act for years until they found out Obama voted to renew it 3 times then suddenly they had no problem with it.'and I can't imagine why you wouldn't welcome any change, my brother'
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and you swear it's not a trend
it doesn't matter anyway
there's no need to talk as friends
nothing news everyday
all the kids will eat it up
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aNiMaL wrote:Obama has always (as long as it has been an issue) been about bolstering up the war on terror in Afghanistan. I think that is the right move. That is a just war.
Can you please explain for me,
using observable examples,
why the United States has the necessity and right to further a regional war by engaging Afghanistan militarily?
I don't understand the rationale, or the validity behind the assertion that putting US troops in Afghanistan is just, right, or necessary.
What resolutions, international laws, or treaties has Afghanistan violated, and what clear and imminent danger to our republic do they pose?
Again, i'm not asking for rhetoric, ideology, or opinion,
i'm asking for empirical real world examples of demonstrable harm emanating from the sovereign nation state of Afghanistan.
What right are you claiming we have to invade and maintain a presence there?
Did we not already oust the Taliban regime, install a transitional government, and then a permanent, eurocentric, puppet government?
What is our beef with Afghanistan at this point?
Is it that there is violent opposition to this "puppet government", and is that a valid reason for renewing a conflict?
I'm sure there is some valid reason for further engaging Afghanistan, i just truly fail to see it.
If we have already installed a Pro-Western central government in Afghanistan, and if they are experiencing internal violence directed in opposition to this government, isn't that:
a. partly the fault of Western powers, who helped create that government
b. an internal security concern, thus the prerogative and responsibility of "THEIR" government to resolve?If I was to smile and I held out my hand
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aNiMaL wrote:Again, when did Obama say he was anti-war?
Obama has always (as long as it has been an issue) been about bolstering up the war on terror in Afghanistan. I think that is the right move. That is a just war.
Public vibe now, that is the "angle" you are using now. Laughs dude.
I think you shown me that you are incapable of thinking outside yourself on a lot of issues that you don't want to understand aside from what you already believe within the confines of your own mind to be true.
You apply your thoughts as everyone's thoughts and claim you are justified in that based on what you believe.
Now you even go so far as to claim Obama is/was pro war, and that everyone saw this
unbelievable.Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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But you do see that the Iraq war was unjust, unneeded, and unwarranted, and separate from the original war on terror, right?DriftingByTheStorm wrote:Can you please explain for me,
using observable examples,
why the United States has the necessity and right to further a regional war by engaging Afghanistan militarily?
I don't understand the rationale, or the validity behind the assertion that putting US troops in Afghanistan is just, right, or necessary.
What resolutions, international laws, or treaties has Afghanistan violated, and what clear and imminent danger to our republic do they pose?
Again, i'm not asking for rhetoric, ideology, or opinion,
i'm asking for empirical real world examples of demonstrable harm eminating from the sovereign nation state of Afghanistan.
What right are you claiming we have to invade and maintain a presence there?
Did we not already oust the Taliban regime, install a transitional government[/i], and then a permanent, eurocentric, puppet government[/i]?
What is our beef with Afghanistan at this point?
Is it that there is violent opposition to this "puppet government", and is that a valid reason for renewing a conflict?
I'm sure there is some valid reason for further engaging Afghanistan, i just truly fail to see it.
On Afghanistan; the Taliban is on the rise again there. I guess we never did finish up over there like we thought we did 6 years ago when we took our eye off the war on terror and focused on a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11. We need to be fighting the Taliban, Al Queda, and Osama Bin Laden's group of tyrants. Be that where ever it is.
I am not a general in the military, nor do I get intelligence reports sent to me, but i am firm believer in the war on terror, and can plainly see the difference in the war on Iraq and the war on terror. Unfortunately, GW has done a spectacular job and blurring the lines between them in latter years since the onset by allowing Iraq to become a breeding ground for all those who hate us in the US.0 -
I never said he was pro war, and I never said he was anti-war. Just because someone is not anti-war, does not make them pro war. War is a necessary evil that our society accepts as a realism in this world.RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:I think you shown me that you are incapable of thinking outside yourself on a lot of issues that you don't want to understand aside from what you already believe within the confines of your own mind to be true.
You apply your thoughts as everyone's thoughts and claim you are justified in that based on what you believe.
Now you even go so far as to claim Obama is/was pro war, and that everyone saw this
unbelievable.
Odd, you shown me the same things about your closed mindedness. You have yet to spew anything thought out from your own mind that makes any sense at all without referring to obamacrimes.com. But keep trying! Maybe a new angle would suite you better. Try that!
Funny how you have yet to even remotely answer any of my questions to prove and further your anti-American Obama claims.0 -
aNiMaL wrote:I never said he was pro war, and I never said he was anti-war. Just because someone is not anti-war, does not make them pro war. War is a necessary evil that our society accepts as a realism in this world.
Odd, you shown me the same things about your closed mindedness. You have yet to spew anything thought out from your own mind that makes any sense at all without referring to obamacrimes.com. But keep trying! Maybe a new angle would suite you better. Try that!
Funny how you have yet to even remotely answer any of my questions to prove and further your anti-American Obama claims.
I pose questions for discussion...you froth absolutes. Big difference.Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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So, you don't actually want to participate in the discussions you initiate? You just pose the questions? But, you never want to show any proof to substantiate your claims? Or you only want to talk to people who agree with you?RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:I pose questions for discussion...you froth absolutes. Big difference.
I state my own opinion. You site obamacrimes.com. Huge difference. I have been able to disprove your unsubstantiated fears. You ahve not been able to counter anything I have said and instead resort back to calling me blind partisan.0 -
aNiMaL wrote:So, you don't actually want to participate in the discussions you initiate? You just pose the questions? But, you never want to show any proof to substantiate your claims? Or you only want to talk to people who agree with you?
I state my own opinion. You site obamacrimes.com. Huge difference. I have been able to disprove your unsubstantiated fears. You ahve not been able to counter anything I have said and instead resort back to calling me blind partisan.
Well you know what...you are blind partisan if you don't know the details of something for yourself, but just follow along with the crowd as though you do.
I prefer to think about things, and not follow the crowd despite not knowing and fully understanding the details. You on the other hand appear to be deficient in this regard.
I guess its too much of me to ask for intelligent discussion from you. Some were capable of it, some got the joke...some didn't apparently.
My crime, at worst, is not fully understanding the situation and bringing it up for discussion with hopes of having a legitimate discourse about it.
Sigh...how terrible I am :rolleyes:
Forgive me for questioning your sacred leader, or trying to clarify something or seek legitimate viewpoints devoid of the blather factor.
my mistake apparently
do you have any more?Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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