Biden, Obama helped keep 'Bridge to Nowhere' alive

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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    There's this website I found that you obviously haven't heard of:

    http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

    There's some issues on there.

    Ron Paul...Hmmm....The Ross Perot of 2008

    Actually I take that back...He's far less evil than McCain.

    I Don't mean to knock your horse...Good Luck in November.

    I have gone through Obama's website. Where is plan to stablize our economy? Where is his plan to decrease spending? Where is his plan to return the Federal government to within it's constitutional powers? Where is his plan on energy independence?

    Also I know my horse will not come in first come November but I can at least say that my horse stands for something and unlike McCain and Obama who use the words "Change" and "Maverick" Paul can live up to those titles. Those aren't just catch phrase for him.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Gonzo1977
    Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    mammasan wrote:
    I have gone through Obama's website. Where is plan to stablize our economy? Where is his plan to decrease spending? Where is his plan to return the Federal government to within it's constitutional powers? Where is his plan on energy independence?

    Also I know my horse will not come in first come November but I can at least say that my horse stands for something and unlike McCain and Obama who use the words "Change" and "Maverick" Paul can live up to those titles. Those aren't just catch phrase for him.


    Yeah...Hmmm. Did you see him on Meet the Press?

    For Christ Sakes He could not even support his grand policies with an ounce of provable data.

    His idea about how the USA should go back to the gold standard is completely idiotic and naive.

    We have apox 34 billion in national gold reserves and an economy in the trillions...If we were to adjust every dollar to its approximate value in gold, we'd experience hyper inflation, not to mention having to pull billions of electronic dollars out of the economy.

    I hardly think this is a solution...but more like moving from one pile of shit to another...

    And don't even get me started on his backwards views on abortion.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    Yeah...Hmmm. Did you see him on Meet the Press?

    For Christ Sakes He could not even support his grand policies with an ounce of provable data.

    His idea about how the USA should go back to the gold standard is completely idiotic and naive.

    We have apox 34 billion in national gold reserves and an economy in the trillions...If we were to adjust every dollar to its approximate value in gold, we'd experience hyper inflation, not to mention having to pull billions of electronic dollars out of the economy.

    I hardly think this is a solution...but more like moving from one pile of shit to another...

    And don't even get me started on his backwards views on abortion.

    Paul has recently stated that a return to the Gold Standard is impossible. Second I don't care about his stance on abortion. he has stated that regardless of what he believes abortion is an issue best left to the states. That to me is the most logical solution to the issue as Roe V. Wade is technically unconstitutional.

    Again what are Obama's stances. Your responses are typical of the mindless Dem or Rep voters. You answer my questions about your candidate by criticizing mine. I can sit here all day and defend, or not defend as I don't agree with him on everything, Paul's stance without once having to attack your candidate. It seems that the majority of Obama and McCain supporters are incapable of doing so since you can never really tell where they stand on an issue.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    mammasan wrote:
    I figured that I've taken a few shots at McCain/Palin in the past few weeks so to be fair I'm taking some shots at Obama/Biden. I keep hearing Obama throw the word "Change" around a lot but have yet to see that reflected in any of his past or current actions. We don't need anymore catch phrases from politicians. We need action. We need solutions to the issues facing us today.


    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/23/biden.earmarks/index.html
    ...
    To be absolutely fair... and take partisan politics completely out of the equation... read the Amendment to HR 3058 in its entirety and see if YOU would vote to pass EVERYTHING in the Amendment... or NONE of it.
    Politics comes down to compromise... does the amendment hold more benefits or less benefits for the nation as a whole.
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  • unsung
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    mammasan wrote:
    In his defense what would the senator of a state have to do with the state's economy. That responsibility, if any of it, would fall on the governor and the state legislature.


    And what was he before he was elected to US Senate? What he did then directly matters now.
  • weenie
    weenie Posts: 1,623
    unsung wrote:
    And what was he before he was elected to US Senate? What he did then directly matters now.

    Here's a thought, why don't you do some research into what Illiniois' economy is based on? If it's based on manufacturing, that would be part of the answer as to why it's so low right now, or perhaps agricultural... that could provide another insight. There's a direct correlation between the ranking of a state's economy and what that state's major industries are. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA.
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  • pjfan020
    pjfan020 Posts: 426
    weenie wrote:
    Here's a thought, why don't you do some research into what Illiniois' economy is based on? If it's based on manufacturing, that would be part of the answer as to why it's so low right now, or perhaps agricultural... that could provide another insight. There's a direct correlation between the ranking of a state's economy and what that state's major industries are. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA.

    Correct...a state senator isn't going to be doing the budgeting, that's left up to our crooked govenors of both parties. Illinois's budget is so fucked up because of guys like blowjobovich and strodger handing out jobs to friends and family, stealing money, and running things with guys like tony rezko...and if anyone mentions a thing about obama and him you're wrong. the man isn't connected to ANY illegal activity with the man.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    unsung wrote:
    And what was he before he was elected to US Senate? What he did then directly matters now.

    I am aware that Obama was in the Illinois state legistalture prior to being elected to the Senate, but as wennie stated you have to look at why the economy in Illinois is doing so poorly. If it is because of the state government then yes Obama should bare some of the responsibility for it. If it is for reasons beyond the state government's control then it would be unfair to blame the politicians. Just as with our current financial crisis, I believe, it would be somewhat unfair to blame the Bush administration when the root problem was in place far before Bush took office.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Gonzo1977
    Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    mammasan wrote:
    Paul has recently stated that a return to the Gold Standard is impossible. Second I don't care about his stance on abortion. he has stated that regardless of what he believes abortion is an issue best left to the states. That to me is the most logical solution to the issue as Roe V. Wade is technically unconstitutional.

    Again what are Obama's stances. Your responses are typical of the mindless Dem or Rep voters. You answer my questions about your candidate by criticizing mine. I can sit here all day and defend, or not defend as I don't agree with him on everything, Paul's stance without once having to attack your candidate. It seems that the majority of Obama and McCain supporters are incapable of doing so since you can never really tell where they stand on an issue.

    The very reason I'm for Obama is the issues...

    You act like anyone supporting Obama is some mindless sheep and bandwagon jumper because they're not voting for some half cocked idealist liberatarian like Ron Paul.

    I didn't just jump on the Obama bandwagon my friend. I've followed the issues and I've picked a candidate that closely reflects my own personal views.

    I don't need to recite Obama's platform when it's readily availble on his website for anyone to see.

    Why do I even have to justify this to you?

    What the fuck does Ron Paul offer? Perhaps I can turn this back on you?

    Obama has an economic plan. Let us not forget that Obama was the one who went to Wall Street over a year ago and warned that the current economic plan could not sustain itself if it kept on the same track...No one listened....and look where we are.

    Ron Paul can sit there with his bristol board and magic markers and bore us all to tears with his far-fetched idiotic schemes like the fucking Gold Standard all day.

    Oh wait...But he's backtracked on that one...hasn't he?

    I'm sorry but I've read through Pauls platform and one minute he's for something and the next minute he's not. He babbles off these grand ideas and then quickly retracts once he realizes or when it's proven to him how inprobable and unfeasable these schemes actually are.

    I was embarrased for him on Meet the Press. The man could not back up anything that warbled out of his mouth. Not a single hard data fact on how any of the things he is promising could actually work in THE REAL WORLD.

    I'm sorry...But Paul doesn't offer any real solutions...just more spending on ridiculous half-baked ideas.

    His own party thinks he's half nuts.

    Obama addresses the issues...He addresses them in every speech he ever does.

    I don't know how you can sit there and say otherwise. But whatever.

    You've got your horse and I've got mine. Too band one of the horses is of another reality altogether.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    The very reason I'm for Obama is the issues...

    You act like anyone supporting Obama is some mindless sheep and bandwagon jumper because they're not voting for some half cocked idealist liberatarian like Ron Paul.

    I didn't just jump on the Obama bandwagon my friend. I've followed the issues and I've picked a candidate that closely reflects my own personal views.

    I don't need to recite Obama's platform when it's readily availble on his website for anyone to see.

    Why do I even have to justify this to you?

    What the fuck does Ron Paul offer? Perhaps I can turn this back on you?

    Obama has an economic plan. Let us not forget that Obama was the one who went to Wall Street over a year ago and warned that the current economic plan could not sustain itself if it kept on the same track...No one listened....and look where we are.

    Ron Paul can sit there with his bristol board and magic markers and bore us all to tears with his far-fetched idiotic schemes like the fucking Gold Standard all day.

    Oh wait...But he's backtracked on that one...hasn't he?

    I'm sorry but I've read through Pauls platform and one minute he's for something and the next minute he's not. He babbles off these grand ideas and then quickly retracts once he realizes or when it's proven to him how inprobable and unfeasable these schemes actually are.

    I was embarrased for him on Meet the Press. The man could not back up anything that warbled out of his mouth. Not a single hard data fact on how any of the things he is promising could actually work in THE REAL WORLD.

    I'm sorry...But Paul doesn't offer any real solutions...just more spending on ridiculous half-baked ideas.

    His own party thinks he's half nuts.

    Obama addresses the issues...He addresses them in every speech he ever does.

    I don't know how you can sit there and say otherwise. But whatever.

    You've got your horse and I've got mine. Too band one of the horses is of another reality altogether.

    The fact that you stated that one minute Paul is for something and the next minute he is not clearly shows how little you know about the man. He has been the most consistant congressman for decades when it comes to stance and voting. As for the Gold Standard he realized that it would be impossible to go back to that system. Unlike McCain and Obama who flip flop on a daily, if not hourly basis depending on what the polls say or which way the wind blows Paul sticks to his belief regardless of how popular or unpopular they are.

    And yes Obama has an economic policy, one of increased spending with no increase in taxes. That's pretty fucking sound economic policy. Lets collect less but spend more. I guess it's crazy to listen to Ron paul who wants to dramatically reduce government spending and well as taxes. Those are just ramblings of a crazy man though. Or reducing the federal government back to within it's constitutionally granted powers instead of expanding it like Obama or McCain. Just some more crazy talk right. How about the Federal Reserve and their ability to manipulate interest rates causing ill-adjustments in the market, which many experts believe to be a root cause of our current financial crisis. I guess that Ron Paul must be fucking crazy because he has been warning us about this for decades now. But where does McCain or Obama stand on this issue. I wouldn't know since they haven't laid blame on the Federal Reserve for their role in this crisis.

    Also the part about Ron paul just spending more money on ridiculous half-baked ideas, that is just classic. Again it shows that you have no clue as to what you are talking about. Paul has a nickname in Congress, Dr. No, because he has consitantly voted against any unnecessary spending bill to pass through Congress. He is one of the few Congressmen who consitantly votes against giving himself a raise. Where do McCain and Obama stand on this.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Gonzo1977
    Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    mammasan wrote:
    The fact that you stated that one minute Paul is for something and the next minute he is not clearly shows how little you know about the man.As for the Gold Standard he realized that it would be impossible to go back to that system. .

    Wow!!
    You just flipped flopped yourself in one paragraph. Thanks for arguing my point for me.

    One minute he was for the Gold Standard....The next...."Oops sorry about that...my bad...You're right...That wouldn't work".

    Ron Paul is out of his fucking mind as evidenced below.

    Please read and Explain the following HAND WRITTEN letter from the man himself claiming how US sovereignty is under attack and how the United Nations wants to take away our guns:

    http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/files/ronpaul.pdf

    Handwritten and hard to read...I know

    So here's the part in question.

    "The world's elites are busy forming a North American Union. If they are successful, as they were in forming the European Union, the good 'ol USA will be only a memory. We can't let that happen.

    The UN also wants to confiscate our firearms and impose a global tax. The UN elites want to control the world's oceans with the Law of the Sea Treaty. And they want to use our military to police the world".

    C'mon...is this man on acid?

    Perhaps Al Queda, Darth Vadar, The Vulcans and the Klingons are the ones causing this ecomomic crisis as well.

    Jeeze Ron

    Let's go get our guns, run to the hills and shoot em' all to save our American Way of Life.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    Wow!!
    You just flipped flopped yourself in one paragraph. Thanks for arguing my point for me.

    One minute he was for the Gold Standard....The next...."Oops sorry about that...my bad...You're right...That wouldn't work".

    Ron Paul is out of his fucking mind as evidenced below.

    Please read and Explain the following HAND WRITTEN letter from the man himself claiming how US sovereignty is under attack and how the United Nations wants to take away our guns:

    http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/files/ronpaul.pdf

    Handwritten and hard to read...I know

    So here's the part in question.

    "The world's elites are busy forming a North American Union. If they are successful, as they were in forming the European Union, the good 'ol USA will be only a memory. We can't let that happen.

    The UN also wants to confiscate our firearms and impose a global tax. The UN elites want to control the world's oceans with the Law of the Sea Treaty. And they want to use our military to police the world".

    C'mon...

    You'd vote for this guy?

    As I stated I don't agree with everything he says but for the most part, the economy, constitutional right, foreign intervention, the man is spot on and someone who supports Obama should be calling anyone a flip flopper, no drilling ok well the public opinion polls show that they support drilling so I will support drilling. On one issue Paul has changed his stance because of the logistical impossibility of accomplishing his desired goal. One issue. How many issues has Obama contradicted himself on?
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Gonzo1977
    Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    mammasan wrote:
    As I stated I don't agree with everything he says but for the most part, the economy, constitutional right, foreign intervention, the man is spot on and someone who supports Obama should be calling anyone a flip flopper, no drilling ok well the public opinion polls show that they support drilling so I will support drilling. On one issue Paul has changed his stance because of the logistical impossibility of accomplishing his desired goal. One issue. How many issues has Obama contradicted himself on?


    Look.
    To be blunt.

    Obama is not a raving mad man.

    Paul is smart, I'll give him that....but he's also very unstable.

    With a world view like the one qouted, as well as his views on Religion, A Women's right to choose.

    I'm sorry....I just could not vote for someone like this.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    Look.
    To be blunt.

    Obama is not a raving mad man.

    Paul is smart, I'll give him that....but he's also very unstable.

    With a world view like the one qouted, as well as his views on Religion, A Women's right to choose.

    I'm sorry....I just could not vote for someone like this.


    I never said Obama was a raving mad man and Paul views on religion and abortion are his own and he has stated repeatedly that abortion is a state issue and the federal government has no place getting involved. I personally don't agree with his views on abortion but technically speaking he is right. Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional and should be over turned on that basis.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Gonzo1977
    Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    mammasan wrote:
    I never said Obama was a raving mad man and Paul views on religion and abortion are his own and he has stated repeatedly that abortion is a state issue and the federal government has no place getting involved. I personally don't agree with his views on abortion but technically speaking he is right. Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional and should be over turned on that basis.


    Here's some more gems from Paul


    “Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the ‘criminal justice system,’ I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”

    “If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be.”

    Ron Hitler Paul 08!
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    Here's some more gems from Paul


    “Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the ‘criminal justice system,’ I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”

    “If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be.”

    Ron Hitler Paul 08!

    Show me a link to them. In the past many quotes that people attribute to Paul have actually been proven false or taken entirely out of context.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Just did a quick search of your quotes and those quotes where included in Ron Paul's official newsletter. They where written by a ghost writer and submitted to the newsletter and published. Ron Paul has publicly stated that he in no way shape or form agrees with those statements but takes responsibility for them being published since it was his newsletter. He apologized for his lack of over-sight on his newsletter as well. While most politicians would have tried to spin their way out of this he took it on the chin and took responsibility for letting writing of this nature get published under his name.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Piper At The Gates
    Piper At The Gates Posts: 460
    Ron Paul thinks he's John Anderson but he is actually the reincarnation of Lyndon Larouche.
  • Gonzo1977
    Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    mammasan wrote:
    Show me a link to them. In the past many quotes that people attribute to Paul have actually been proven false or taken entirely out of context.


    There in his newsletters!!

    His only argument was that he had no idea that they were printed???

    Sounds like the typical cop-out.

    Here's another

    “[O]ur country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists—and they can be identified by the color of their skin.”

    Don't you think a candidate running for President would have a little more control over things printed in his name, on his very own newsletter, sent out to his people?

    I'm sorry but there is no excuse for such an oversight.

    No Excuse
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    There in his newsletters!!

    His only argument was that he had no idea that they were printed...

    Here's another

    “[O]ur country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists—and they can be identified by the color of their skin.”

    Don't you think a candidate running for President would have a little more control over things printed in his name, on his very own newsletter, sent out to his people?

    That was also from the same column printed in his newsletter and at the time he wasn't heavely involved in his newsletter because he was not serving in congress. All these quotes and points you are bringing up have been squashed a long time ago. It's like grasping at straws. Let's dig up irrelevant dirt and create rumors because we can't actually stand toe to toe with the man on real issues. With the exception of his desire to withdraw from the UN and NATO practically every other stance he has is rock solid.

    Through out the primaries he brought up the economy and the housing bubble but every other candidate and the media ignored him. For two decades now the man has been talking about how our current economic system would largely implode if we didn't change course. All through out the primaries he was saying how our foreign policy was creating an environment perfect for islamic fundamentalism to breed. How through our own actions we where creating an unsafe environment. All this while every other candidate, including Obama, where still harping on how they attacked us because they hate our freedoms. All through out his career he has constantly fought against unnecessary government expansion and spending. He is the only candidate who has actually discussed, and in specifics, how he wants to reduce government spending. He is the only candidate, maybe with the exception of Kucinich, who wants to end the senseless embargo against Cuba. Instead of actually discussing these issues people bring up a column written by another person that was accidentally included in a Paul newsletter from 1992.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul

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