I 'm confused on what you all think?

mammasan · December 2007

Here is my stance. I don't think illegals should be allowed to walk across the border as they please. There does need to be a controlled process. Yes illegal immigranst can pose a strain on our social welfare programs but at the same time they also help the economy. To all of you who believe that every illegal should just be rounded up and shipped back to their country of origin, let me ask a question. Do you realize the enormous cost local, state, and federal law enforcement would acrue from this endevour. Not just that but all of those job that the illegal immigrants performed would be filled by American citizens, which is good, but their wages would at least triple. This would affect the price of every product that we purchase where illegals may have been used to get that product to the shelves. From food service to cleaning service to the agricultural industry would be affected by this. Before we go on a witch hunt we should take a step back and examine the consecuences of our actions.

onelongsong · December 2007

acoustic guy wrote:

Yea, I know.
But the immigrants who came here did it to start a "club".
The club grew to be something big and beautiful. Now everyone wants to join. There are to many members right now and we need to get things under control for a little while. Then continue to let immigrants in LEGALLY!

And as for the workers....I know there are many who work here that are honest and good. But thats not the issue here.
It's not ok for the message to be "come one come all" in the world that we live in today! Our world will most certanly change for the worst, and that scares me when I think about my daughter.

The hard working ones will walk right in with the bad ones right behind them.

and when are we full? who decides when we have too many people? is it when we can't feed the people we have? is it when unemployment reaches a level where those working cannot support those who cannot find work? is it when the police can no longer control crime? is it when social security can no longer repay the people that have paid into the system their entire working life? or is it when the burden of welfare on the government exceeds the funds the government can raise.
when do we stop?

SoonForgotten2 · December 2007

acoustic guy wrote:

You baffle me.
I agree we need to fix the problems inside. but how are we to do that if there is no inside????
Inside of what? You obviously think we should not have boarders so where does the inside start and the outside begin??
Make no mistake about it.....this is a huge part of the INSIDE problem.

I'm going shopping.

How do I think you should have no borders? If anything the US should have more borders and adopt as isolationist a policy as possible.

The point is that it isn't the illegals who come into your country and open fire. It's your friends, family and neighbours- it's the voilent, pscyhotic culture that is adored by the country. You could magically remove every last illegal immigrant in the US and still be up to your eyes in the shit that's left. So again- there are bigger problems at pretty much every level within the US that you all should be worrying about as opposed to the illegal immigrants.

mammasan · December 2007

TheVoiceInside wrote:

The funny thing is that in 50 years or so the majority of the people will be hispanics and there aint no stopping that because the free market wont allow it.

And what is wrong with that. Are some of you that terrified of the US no longer being an Anglo Caucasian majority country.

TheVoiceInside · December 2007

mammasan wrote:

And what is wrong with that. Are some of you that terrified of the US no longer being an Anglo Caucasian majority country.

BINGO!

SoonForgotten2 · December 2007

dunkman wrote:

why all the fear?

Haven't you heard? The US of A is the greatest country in the world.

So of course everyone, from outside the Yanks borders to outside their homes, is out to get a piece of the American Dream.

onelongsong · December 2007

acoustic guy wrote:

You baffle me.
I agree we need to fix the problems inside. but how are we to do that if there is no inside????
Inside of what? You obviously think we should not have boarders so where does the inside start and the outside begin??
Make no mistake about it.....this is a huge part of the INSIDE problem.

I'm going shopping.

let's let more people in so we're too overwelmed to fix those problems.

mammasan · December 2007

TheVoiceInside wrote:

BINGO!

Well that is truely sad. This country was built on the backs of immigrants. I understand the desire to make sure that all entry is done through legal channels, but to fear the fact that the diverse make up of our country may switch is ridiculous. So what if the majority of people in the US will eventually be hispanics. As long as they are hard working and contribute to the growth and well being of the nation I see nothing wrong with that. Hispanics are a growing political, economic and social force in this country so you and the rest of the xenophobic bunch best get used to us being here.

I have always fel that hispanics where being singled out in regards to illegal immigration. Yes they make up the majority of illegals in this country, but there are millions of illegals that come into this country from Asia, Africa, Europe, and even Canada. Yet we never see an image or even a mention of these people when the topic of illegal immigrantion is discussed.

Collin · December 2007

mammasan wrote:

And what is wrong with that. Are some of you that terrified of the US no longer being an Anglo Caucasian majority country.

Mammasan, I'm sorry to say this but I think the answer is definitely yes. Same here in Europe (not exactly the same, though).

This just shows that some people do not see people with a different skin colour as equals. It shows racism.

Thecure · December 2007

dunkman wrote:

he is 'legal' but legal is just a word... like floppy and mollusc... but the US was built on immigrants legal or illegal... so why be so fearful.

is everyone in America scared? i need guns incase bad men come after me.. i need big fences incase Jesus and Carlos steal all our women... i need the worlds largest Navy, Army and Airforce even though we've been attacked once on our shores, and that was in Hawaii...

why all the fear?

it's not fearful, it is respect of laws. everythging that i have been saying is conc3rning the issue that people believe that laws don't matter or not important. i would hav eno problem with "illegal" immigrants staying but we must follow the law.

by the way, do you lock your door, wear a seatbelt? we all do things to protect ourselves. it's not about fear always.

TheVoiceInside · December 2007

mammasan wrote:

Well that is truely sad. This country was built on the backs of immigrants. I understand the desire to make sure that all entry is done through legal channels, but to fear the fact that the diverse make up of our country may switch is ridiculous. So what if the majority of people in the US will eventually be hispanics. As long as they are hard working and contribute to the growth and well being of the nation I see nothing wrong with that. Hispanics are a growing political, economic and social force in this country so you and the rest of the xenophobic bunch best get used to us being here.

I have always fel that hispanics where being singled out in regards to illegal immigration. Yes they make up the majority of illegals in this country, but there are millions of illegals that come into this country from Asia, Africa, Europe, and even Canada. Yet we never see an image or even a mention of these people when the topic of illegal immigrantion is discussed.

Mammasan I think you misunderstood my attitude towards this issue. I was pointing out the fact that hispanics will be the majority in the future and that most the people who hate illigal immigrants have a fear that one day they are going to be the minority. Personally I think its a great thing and it should only make America better.

onelongsong · December 2007

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

How do I think you should have no borders? If anything the US should have more borders and adopt as isolationist a policy as possible.

The point is that it isn't the illegals who come into your country and open fire. It's your friends, family and neighbours- it's the voilent, pscyhotic culture that is adored by the country. You could magically remove every last illegal immigrant in the US and still be up to your eyes in the shit that's left. So again- there are bigger problems at pretty much every level within the US that you all should be worrying about as opposed to the illegal immigrants.

says the bloke that has never been here to see for himself. being in a border state; we get the news reports of how many are caught coming over the border bringing guns and drugs. i've never seen any of those reports on the bbc world news. as a border state; we've seen the crime. we have several prisons SOLELY for mexican nationals who have committed felonies here. in fact; we just opened a new prison in oklahoma solely for mexican nationals and had to send other prisoners to indiana; 3520 Km from our state.
you'll hear about a shooting in nebraska mall how often? once in 200+ years. come here and you'll hear about illegals shooting at police every bloody day.
illegals account for the majority of crime here; and i mean violent crimes that we cannot overlook and send them back. me thinks you should visit some border state prisons before making a blanket statement like that.

mammasan · December 2007

TheVoiceInside wrote:

Mammasan I think you misunderstood my attitude towards this issue. I was pointing out the fact that hispanics will be the majority in the future and that most the people who hate illigal immigrants have a fear that one day they are going to be the minority. Personally I think its a great thing and it should only make America better.

I apologize. I thought you where stating that you felt that way.

lalalalaaaaaaaa · December 2007

dunkman wrote:

i need the worlds largest Navy, Army and Airforce even though we've been attacked once on our shores, and that was in Hawaii...

Ever hear of the war of 1812?

onelongsong · December 2007

Thecure wrote:

it's not fearful, it is respect of laws. everythging that i have been saying is conc3rning the issue that people believe that laws don't matter or not important. i would hav eno problem with "illegal" immigrants staying but we must follow the law.

by the way, do you lock your door, wear a seatbelt? we all do things to protect ourselves. it's not about fear always.

if we're throwing out the laws; i can make about $6,000 a week selling pot. no need to report that income cuz we're throwing out the laws.

onelongsong · December 2007

Saturnal wrote:

Ever hear of the war of 1812?

and the american revolution; and when mexico attacked the us. remember the alamo!
it seems mexico gave us texas in exchange for a generals life.

dunkman · December 2007

Thecure wrote:

by the way, do you lock your door, wear a seatbelt? we all do things to protect ourselves. it's not about fear always.

i lock my door out of fear.. as do you... fear of my kids being abducted, fear of someone taking all my posessions, fear of onelongsong wheezing into my house and shooting my goldfish.

you wear a seatbelt because 1. its a law and 2. i have a fear of plummeting through a window..

i didnt say i have no fears... but america seems to have more GRANDER fears.. terrorists for instance... you had one lethal attack, granted it was a monumental one... the UK has had hundereds.. and yet i have no fear of terrorism..

prism · December 2007

Thecure wrote:

what i say to all your fine examples is yoru right, all laws should be enforced. by the way, do we lock up smokers no we lock them out.

finally, what are these real problems that you keep talking about.

just a few examples: the wars Afganistan and in Iraq (and the vast problems that the US is CAUSING in those countries) and the wannabe war with Iran. US foreign policy in general is fucked up.

the dismal way the US goverment treats the veterans that fought those wars

the homeless: many of which happen to be veterans

the war on drugs: how many non-violent drug offenders do we have clogging up the jails and prisons while violent offenders go free? then there's the whole racket of the prison industry itself

the working poor: when people are working two jobs and still can't afford a decent apartment, something is broken and it's not the person who's working two jobs

health care: how many millions of people have no health insurance? sure they get get emergent care in an ER they will also be socked with a huge bill that they can't pay. medical bills are the leading cause of bankrupcy in the US

education: need I say more than "no child left behind" is a complete joke, at the expense of children

that's just off the top of my head. i'm sure that I could come up with more, if I had more time

TheVoiceInside · December 2007

mammasan wrote:

I apologize. I thought you where stating that you felt that way.

No man, why should I care im Puertorican. But here from a distance its pretty clear the attitude of some people. And I can also somewhat understand their point of view. I mean if suddenly my island was overwhelmed by chineese I would be worried and felt that if we dont do something we are going to loose our heritage, culture, and language. But what people fail to see is that all those immigrants who are going to america is becuase of the the economic policies created by the goverment. Believe me that if these people could stay i their countries they would. They are leaving for a reason. Jobs and $$$$$$$$. The question then should be why are ther no jobs or real wages in these countries. Start from there and see what policies can the goverment change or implement to help these countries build solid economies so that people wont leave.

SoonForgotten2 · December 2007

onelongsong wrote:

says the bloke that has never been here to see for himself. being in a border state; we get the news reports of how many are caught coming over the border bringing guns and drugs. i've never seen any of those reports on the bbc world news. as a border state; we've seen the crime. we have several prisons SOLELY for mexican nationals who have committed felonies here. in fact; we just opened a new prison in oklahoma solely for mexican nationals and had to send other prisoners to indiana; 3520 Km from our state.
you'll hear about a shooting in nebraska mall how often? once in 200+ years. come here and you'll hear about illegals shooting at police every bloody day.
illegals account for the majority of crime here; and i mean violent crimes that we cannot overlook and send them back. me thinks you should visit some border state prisons before making a blanket statement like that.

And who is filling all your other prisons? I'm not denying that Mexico can be terribly violent as well, but this wasn't about Mexico's problems. From what you write there, the issue that stands out to me is criminal behaviour- regardless of whether it be an illegal or otherwise. Are you really going to tell me that America's violent culture and subsequent behaviour is mostly due to illegal immigrants?

My point here is address violent behaviour and crimes across the board without scapegoating or stereotyping. And seeing as how Texas shares the border with Mexico, I'm guessing the death penalty hasn't been too great a deterrent in the eyes of all these awful gun-toting, drug dealing Mexicans then, eh?

I 'm confused on what you all think?

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