Ron Paul '90s newsletters rant against blacks, gays

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Notwithstanding whatever the truth may be, is a racist doctor preferred over a racist congressman?


    Moot question, the author is neither.
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  • WMA
    WMA Posts: 175
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    He wasn't in congress at the time. We was back to practicing medicine full time. He didn't write any of it.

    Ron Paul (1996) said that people took his letter out of context.

    You calling Ron Paul a liar?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    WMA wrote:
    Ron Paul (1996) said that people took his letter out of context.

    You calling Ron Paul a liar?


    Can you give a specific? That context of that question has no denominator.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • WMA
    WMA Posts: 175
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Can you give a specific? That context of that question has no denominator.

    The last post of mine that you responded to had the details.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    WMA wrote:
    The last post of mine that you responded to had the details.

    It looks like more of the same newsletter propagana story.

    Are you saying he's now supporting what is written even though he condemns it and never wrote it?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    i csnt believe people are buying this "i was a doctor so i NEVER read MY newsletter" crap...


    he acts like he had NOTHING to do with HIS NEWSLETTER...


    what the fuck does he have a newsletter in his name for then?
  • WMA
    WMA Posts: 175
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    It looks like more of the same newsletter propagana story.

    Are you saying he's now supporting what is written even though he condemns it and never wrote it?

    No, I'm saying that in 1996 he claimed that people were taking his letter out of context and never denied writing them until after 2001.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    my2hands wrote:
    i csnt believe people are buying this "i was a doctor so i NEVER read MY newsletter" crap...


    he acts like he had NOTHING to do with HIS NEWSLETTER...


    what the fuck does he have a newsletter in his name for then?

    If you want to call someone both a racist and a liar without any substantiated proof...that's your prerogative.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    my2hands wrote:
    "i own a newsletter, my name is on the newsletter, but i have no idea what was written in it?"

    hahahahahahahaha...
    rolleyes:

    How much review do you think any of the five (ahem, six) members of Pearl Jam before "Deep" goes out twice a year?

    Seriously.

    [half expecting Sea to show up and pwne me with inside information. :D ]
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    If you want to call someone both a racist and a liar without any substantiated proof...that's your prerogative.

    oh, there is plenty pf proof...

    some of you guys just refuse to ackowledge it... but, that's your prerogative ;)
  • Thecure
    Thecure Posts: 814
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Sigh...this story should almost be on Snopes already

    http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-releases/125/ron-paul-statement-on-the-new-republic-article-regarding-old-newsletters

    "January 8, 2008 5:28 am EST

    ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – In response to an article published by The New Republic, Ron Paul issued the following statement:

    “The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine and do not represent what I believe or have ever believed. I have never uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts.

    “In fact, I have always agreed with Martin Luther King, Jr. that we should only be concerned with the content of a person's character, not the color of their skin. As I stated on the floor of the U.S. House on April 20, 1999: ‘I rise in great respect for the courage and high ideals of Rosa Parks who stood steadfastly for the rights of individuals against unjust laws and oppressive governmental policies.’

    “This story is old news and has been rehashed for over a decade. It's once again being resurrected for obvious political reasons on the day of the New Hampshire primary.

    “When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have publicly taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.”

    CONCERNING POINT B, wow what a shock people are going to talk about stuff that happen in the past for political reason. one would think that there is an election going on or something.
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Here's my take on the Ron Paul letters. i don't know if he wrote them. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. He swears up and down he did not and doesn't know who did. i'm willing to take his word for it, but that doesn't fully excuse him. As someone indicated, either in this thread, or one of the other several regarding this situation, the newsletter DOES bear his name. This, makes him responsible for it. You'd better believe if i had a newsletter bearing my name i would be monitoring its contents pretty thouroughly. If i was to busy to do this, i would either discontinue the newsletter, or have someone i trust monitor it for me. Its his newsletter, he is responsible for everything in it whether he penned the words or not. i understand, this was awhile ago and has come up before. Did he every write a retraction? i heard him yesterday with Wolf Blitzer vehemently denying writing the words or even knowing who did, but he didn't seem to be appologetic. His response seemed more like "oh well, didn't write 'em. Don't know who did. Shut up about it." i'm sorry, but that isn't how it works. Personally, i would have retracted the statements made in my name the very second they came to my attention. i don't think he has effectively done that, nor does he seem willing to do it now. Bad news for a Paul campaign that already had very little chance. Although, his supporters are relative few and very enthusiastic about thier support. i don't think it phases them much.
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  • DPrival78
    DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,263
    i agree, i'd definitely like to hear a more complete response to this issue. and it is curious that these things were put out for years without anyone putting a stop to it. was paul just not paying attention to them and oblivious to the whole thing? possible, but like you said.. his name is there in big letters at the top of these things.

    but being someone who has become familiar with this guy and his record, it's just hard to believe that he is someone who would support these positions. but it looks bad, no doubt.
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    He wasn't in congress at the time. We was back to practicing medicine full time. He didn't write any of it.

    Again.. what does his occupation of the time have to do with a newsletter.

    I don't think he wrote it, but like said a hundred times, if there is a newsletter out there claiming to be from him, you don't think that he has any responsibility to keep an eye on it, or have them take his name off of it? It's like he's trying to have it both ways...
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  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    The facts of this don't matter either way.

    The image destroying aspects of this deal are equal to Rove's orchestration of the 2000 South Carolina campaign when Bush beat out McCain.

    If Paul had any hope....this pretty much kills it.
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    The facts of this don't matter either way.

    The image destroying aspects of this deal are equal to Rove's orchestration of the 2000 South Carolina campaign when Bush beat out McCain.

    If Paul had any hope....this pretty much kills it.

    I think the McCain 2000 thing was a lot dirtier and outright disgusting. And it was something absolutely false that McCain had nothing to do with.

    This is kind of different, and something that he could have shut down way back when. If his quotes from 1996 are accurate, then he's to blame for the mess he's in now. If he would have just come out then and outright denied anything and distanced himself from the newsletter, then we wouldn't even have be having this discussion. Instead, he just made excuses and justifications for the newsletter.

    edit - Not arguing your post Paco, just adding to it. Re-reading my post it makes is sound like you are comparing the two actions instead of the effect.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Again.. what does his occupation of the time have to do with a newsletter.

    I don't think he wrote it, but like said a hundred times, if there is a newsletter out there claiming to be from him, you don't think that he has any responsibility to keep an eye on it, or have them take his name off of it? It's like he's trying to have it both ways...

    If you've ever had to run two businesses and have your fingers in a lot of pies, you'd know exactly how this is possible, and the fact that there is only 24 hours in the day. Sometimes you trust people that are close to you, and they let you down.

    It's easy to sit back and think someone can be everywhere at once. In reality this is never the case.

    Watch any of his explanations on it, and it becomes pretty clear what the situation is, and that he's not a racist.

    It's happened, it's a well timed smear, so many are eating up the propaganda because they want to. The media controls small minds imo. It's like looking at a pile of crap and trying to describe who and what made it in precise detail.

    ridiculous.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    blackredyellow wrote:
    I think the McCain 2000 thing was a lot dirtier and outright disgusting. And it was something absolutely false that McCain had nothing to do with.

    This is kind of different, and something that he could have shut down way back when. If his quotes from 1996 are accurate, then he's to blame for the mess he's in now. If he would have just come out then and outright denied anything and distanced himself from the newsletter, then we wouldn't even have be having this discussion. Instead, he just made excuses and justifications for the newsletter.


    I just meant that like McCain's run this is pretty much the end of viability for Paul.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-mccain10jan10,1,3001117.story?coll=la-headlines-nation&track=crosspromo

    You know what's kind of ironically funny in a sad way is that Strom Thurmond the senator from South Carolina...actually DID have a black daughter...
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    I just meant that like McCain's run this is pretty much the end of viability for Paul.


    gotcha.. i was just adding the edit to my other post :)
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    If you've ever had to run two businesses and have your fingers in a lot of pies, you'd know exactly how this is possible, and the fact that there is only 24 hours in the day. Sometimes you trust people that are close to you, and they let you down.

    It's easy to sit back and think someone can be everywhere at once. In reality this is never the case.

    Watch any of his explanations on it, and it becomes pretty clear what the situation is, and that he's not a racist.

    It's happened, it's a well timed smear, so many are eating up the propaganda because they want to. The media controls small minds imo. It's like looking at a pile of crap and trying to describe who and what made it in precise detail.

    ridiculous.

    Of course... you are never wrong Roland, we already know that.

    But, I've worked several jobs, and I am currently running operations in three venues in Oklahoma, NY & Ontario, so I know what it is like to juggle a bunch of things at once.

    You keep saying he didn't have time and are insinuating that people don't know how busy he was then, but in reality, you don't know how busy he was then either. I don't know how often these newsletters were put out, but you can't tell me that he didn't have like 10 minutes every month or so to read the newsletter and make a call to have it shut down or issue a retraction or apology. No one is that busy.

    And this doesn't change the fact that in 1996, he apparently tried to justify some of the comments instead of denying them then.
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    was like a picture
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    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
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