Hospital dumps paraplegic homeless man on street
flywallyfly
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What a bunch of bastards.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/09/homeless.dumping.ap/index.html
LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- A hospital van dropped off a paraplegic man on Skid Row, allegedly leaving him crawling in the street with nothing more than a soiled gown and a broken colostomy bag, police said.
Witnesses who said they saw the incident Thursday wrote down a phone number on the van and took down its license-plate number, which helped detectives connect the vehicle to Hollywood Presbyterian Medical Center, the Los Angeles Times reported on its Web site.
Police said the incident was a case of "homeless dumping" and were questioning officials from the hospital.
"I can't think of anything colder than that," said Detective Russ Long. "There was no mission around, no services. It's the worst area of Skid Row."
The case comes three months after the L.A. city attorney's office filed its first indictment for homeless dumping against Kaiser Permanente for an incident earlier last year.
In that case, a 63-year-old patient from the hospital's Bellflower medical center was videotaped wandering the streets of Skid Row in a hospital gown and socks.
An after-hours call Thursday to Hollywood Presbyterian seeking comment was not immediately returned.
Kaylor Shemberger, the hospital's executive vice president, told the Times the incident was under investigation.
"Obviously we are very concerned about the information that has been presented to us," Shemberger said. "If some of the facts are correct, it is clearly not in line with our policy of handling these types of patients."
City officials have accused more than a dozen hospitals of dumping patients and criminals on Skid Row. Hospital officials have denied the allegations, but some said they had taken homeless patients to Skid Row service providers.
In 2005, Hollywood Presbyterian was accused of homeless dumping.
At the time, a top executive denied the charge, but said Skid Row service providers offered treatment and care for some patients who had nowhere else to go.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/09/homeless.dumping.ap/index.html
LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- A hospital van dropped off a paraplegic man on Skid Row, allegedly leaving him crawling in the street with nothing more than a soiled gown and a broken colostomy bag, police said.
Witnesses who said they saw the incident Thursday wrote down a phone number on the van and took down its license-plate number, which helped detectives connect the vehicle to Hollywood Presbyterian Medical Center, the Los Angeles Times reported on its Web site.
Police said the incident was a case of "homeless dumping" and were questioning officials from the hospital.
"I can't think of anything colder than that," said Detective Russ Long. "There was no mission around, no services. It's the worst area of Skid Row."
The case comes three months after the L.A. city attorney's office filed its first indictment for homeless dumping against Kaiser Permanente for an incident earlier last year.
In that case, a 63-year-old patient from the hospital's Bellflower medical center was videotaped wandering the streets of Skid Row in a hospital gown and socks.
An after-hours call Thursday to Hollywood Presbyterian seeking comment was not immediately returned.
Kaylor Shemberger, the hospital's executive vice president, told the Times the incident was under investigation.
"Obviously we are very concerned about the information that has been presented to us," Shemberger said. "If some of the facts are correct, it is clearly not in line with our policy of handling these types of patients."
City officials have accused more than a dozen hospitals of dumping patients and criminals on Skid Row. Hospital officials have denied the allegations, but some said they had taken homeless patients to Skid Row service providers.
In 2005, Hollywood Presbyterian was accused of homeless dumping.
At the time, a top executive denied the charge, but said Skid Row service providers offered treatment and care for some patients who had nowhere else to go.
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How Christian of them to do this. I bet a Muslim hospital wouldnt have done this.War is Peace
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Rushlimbo wrote:How Christian of them to do this. I bet a Muslim hospital wouldnt have done this.
yeah, but at least the hospital's taking such moral actions as denying rape victims the evil morning after pill.0 -
Then I take it that you are for allowing religiously run hospitals to hire only people with a like religious background. Because if you are going to hold the organization up to Christian ideaology then you should be willing to allow them to hire only Christians.soulsinging wrote:yeah, but at least the hospital's taking such moral actions as denying rape victims the evil morning after pill.
The driver may have been an atheist, and was only acting in ways supported by his atheism.“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
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Fairly obvious that money is the true God to organized Christianity.War is Peace
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The persons who are responsiple are they gonna pay for this or they'll get away?0
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surferdude wrote:Then I take it that you are for allowing religiously run hospitals to hire only people with a like religious background. Because if you are going to hold the organization up to Christian ideaology then you should be willing to allow them to hire only Christians.
The driver may have been an atheist, and was only acting in ways supported by his atheism.
i doubt a driver would grab a patient and toss them out without orders to do so. dont be ridiculous. this was an admin decision. im not arguing for a christian ideology, im pointing out the totally arbitrary and hypocritical version of christian ideology they practice... poor homeless people? toss em out. morning after pill... we're taking a stand on this one!0 -
You guys are opposing the system, not the hospital.
The hospital simply couldn't afford the poor guy. I think soulsinging should take care of the poor guy now! He should be your burden! Show your own non-christian ideals by proving that you can be a good person and show compassion.
Or, just don't complain about the system. Sure, shit like this happens but that's why we have poor houses. As Christ said, "The poor you will always have with you," and indeed we are called to help them. The government is not called to help the poor. WE ARE.
Go out and serve them and stop blaming other people for not helping them.All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
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CorporateWhore wrote:You guys are opposing the system, not the hospital.
The hospital simply couldn't afford the poor guy. I think soulsinging should take care of the poor guy now! He should be your burden! Show your own non-christian ideals by proving that you can be a good person and show compassion.
Or, just don't complain about the system. Sure, shit like this happens but that's why we have poor houses. As Christ said, "The poor you will always have with you," and indeed we are called to help them. The government is not called to help the poor. WE ARE.
Go out and serve them and stop blaming other people for not helping them.
by we you mean christians? as in christian hospitals? yeah, they did a bang up job here. the point of this story is apparently that we DO need a system to keep these private christian places from indulging their selfish, greedy agenda. it was the hospital, not the system. if it was the system, this would happen far more than it has. but it was this particular hospital that decided its christian ideology only extends to positions it deems profitable and politically expedient...
im not taking care of him becos im not christian and never claimed to give a flying fuck about the poor. but i do practice what i preach.0 -
If this guy would have tithed his panhandling money they wouldnt have dumped him. It's not like they kicked him out of the door. They dumped him like a garbage bag. You Christians dont give a rat's ass about anyone but yourselves but you preach like you're Jesus himself. It would be laughable if it wasnt so destructive to the entire planet.War is Peace
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CorporateWhore wrote:Go out and serve them and stop blaming other people for not helping them.
I always help man. I donated so much to the food bank this year. I donate to charities all the time. Yo, I take it to the next level, I chill out with the homeless and the impoverished. That's the Ahnimus doctrine and that's what the great late, umm, ok, no one taught that, I just did it myself.I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire0 -
Ahnimus wrote:I always help man. I donated so much to the food bank this year. I donate to charities all the time. Yo, I take it to the next level, I chill out with the homeless and the impoverished. That's the Ahnimus doctrine and that's what the great late, umm, ok, no one taught that, I just did it myself.
If I didnt know better, I might think you were modelling yourself after Christ.Why go home
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PaperPlates wrote:If I didnt know better, I might think you were modelling yourself after Christ.
Good thing you dont know any better.War is Peace
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PaperPlates wrote:If I didnt know better, I might think you were modelling yourself after Christ.
Just sort of happened that way.I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire0 -
PaperPlates wrote:If I didnt know better, I might think you were modelling yourself after Christ.
if only more christians (eg. the ones working at this hospital) did the same eh?0 -
CorporateWhore wrote:You guys are opposing the system, not the hospital.
The hospital simply couldn't afford the poor guy. I think soulsinging should take care of the poor guy now! He should be your burden! Show your own non-christian ideals by proving that you can be a good person and show compassion.
Or, just don't complain about the system. Sure, shit like this happens but that's why we have poor houses. As Christ said, "The poor you will always have with you," and indeed we are called to help them. The government is not called to help the poor. WE ARE.
Go out and serve them and stop blaming other people for not helping them.
While I agree that they aren't obligated to continue to care for the guy if he didn't have insurance, couldn't they have done better than to dump him off in the middle of a road. At the minimum, they could have dropped him off at a shelter or contacted a local church/charity organization for assistance. Perhaps they did and the story doesn't mention it, but from the sounds of their compassion I doubt they did.
This is simply an inhumane reaction to a guy without insurance. What if this were your mother? Would you still be taking the hospital's side in this matter?"Worse than traitors in arms are the men who pretend loyalty to the flag, feast and fatten on the misfortunes of the nation while patriotic blood is crimsoning the plains." -- Abraham Lincoln0 -
flywallyfly wrote:What a bunch of bastards.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/09/homeless.dumping.ap/index.html
LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- A hospital van dropped off a paraplegic man on Skid Row, allegedly leaving him crawling in the street with nothing more than a soiled gown and a broken colostomy bag, police said.
Witnesses who said they saw the incident Thursday wrote down a phone number on the van and took down its license-plate number, which helped detectives connect the vehicle to Hollywood Presbyterian Medical Center, the Los Angeles Times reported on its Web site.
Police said the incident was a case of "homeless dumping" and were questioning officials from the hospital.
"I can't think of anything colder than that," said Detective Russ Long. "There was no mission around, no services. It's the worst area of Skid Row."
The case comes three months after the L.A. city attorney's office filed its first indictment for homeless dumping against Kaiser Permanente for an incident earlier last year.
In that case, a 63-year-old patient from the hospital's Bellflower medical center was videotaped wandering the streets of Skid Row in a hospital gown and socks.
An after-hours call Thursday to Hollywood Presbyterian seeking comment was not immediately returned.
Kaylor Shemberger, the hospital's executive vice president, told the Times the incident was under investigation.
"Obviously we are very concerned about the information that has been presented to us," Shemberger said. "If some of the facts are correct, it is clearly not in line with our policy of handling these types of patients."
City officials have accused more than a dozen hospitals of dumping patients and criminals on Skid Row. Hospital officials have denied the allegations, but some said they had taken homeless patients to Skid Row service providers.
In 2005, Hollywood Presbyterian was accused of homeless dumping.
At the time, a top executive denied the charge, but said Skid Row service providers offered treatment and care for some patients who had nowhere else to go.
yay humanity! always taking huge strides forward!0 -
Rushlimbo wrote:If this guy would have tithed his panhandling money they wouldnt have dumped him. It's not like they kicked him out of the door. They dumped him like a garbage bag. You Christians dont give a rat's ass about anyone but yourselves but you preach like you're Jesus himself. It would be laughable if it wasnt so destructive to the entire planet.
I started a non-profit called Operation Yum-Yums. In fact in about two hours I'll be walking around downtown with some volunteers distributing sandwiches and cokes to my citys homeless. I don't spread the gospel or influence people to believe in Jesus or provide hope to them in any way. I just simply feed hungry people.
And I'm a christian.www.myspace.com/olafvonmastadon0 -
Forgive my annoyance with those of you who keep touting "Christian" this that and the other, but this story doesn't have a damn thing to do with religion, in general, or Christianity specifically. "Hollywood Presbyterian Medical Center" is just a name....flywallyfly wrote:What a bunch of bastards.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/09/homeless.dumping.ap/index.html
LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- A hospital van dropped off a paraplegic man on Skid Row, allegedly leaving him crawling in the street with nothing more than a soiled gown and a broken colostomy bag, police said.
Witnesses who said they saw the incident Thursday wrote down a phone number on the van and took down its license-plate number, which helped detectives connect the vehicle to Hollywood Presbyterian Medical Center, the Los Angeles Times reported on its Web site.
Police said the incident was a case of "homeless dumping" and were questioning officials from the hospital.
"I can't think of anything colder than that," said Detective Russ Long. "There was no mission around, no services. It's the worst area of Skid Row."
The case comes three months after the L.A. city attorney's office filed its first indictment for homeless dumping against Kaiser Permanente for an incident earlier last year.
In that case, a 63-year-old patient from the hospital's Bellflower medical center was videotaped wandering the streets of Skid Row in a hospital gown and socks.
An after-hours call Thursday to Hollywood Presbyterian seeking comment was not immediately returned.
Kaylor Shemberger, the hospital's executive vice president, told the Times the incident was under investigation.
"Obviously we are very concerned about the information that has been presented to us," Shemberger said. "If some of the facts are correct, it is clearly not in line with our policy of handling these types of patients."
City officials have accused more than a dozen hospitals of dumping patients and criminals on Skid Row. Hospital officials have denied the allegations, but some said they had taken homeless patients to Skid Row service providers.
In 2005, Hollywood Presbyterian was accused of homeless dumping.
At the time, a top executive denied the charge, but said Skid Row service providers offered treatment and care for some patients who had nowhere else to go.
This story has to do with decency and humanity; two things that are hardly Christian exclusive. Let's leave the religion at the door and deal with these people as the mere human assholes that they are. God loving/not loving/fearing/not fearing assholes."I'm here to see Pearl Jam."- Bono
...signed...the token black Pearl Jam fan.
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You wanna hear something funny - if the driver had gone about another mile or so he could have left this person at County USC, a public hospital.0
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I agree. The hospital is owned by Kaiser, a notoriously shitty health care provider. It was probably "Hollywood Presbyterian" before Kaiser bought it, and they decided to keep the name. I doubt the Presbyterians have much, if anything, to say about how the place is run.dharma69 wrote:Forgive my annoyance with those of you who keep touting "Christian" this that and the other, but this story doesn't have a damn thing to do with religion, in general, or Christianity specifically. "Hollywood Presbyterian Medical Center" is just a name....
This is about what I'd expect from Kaiser though."Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 19630
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