Answers to outlaw's silly questions...

cornnifer · August 2008

To keep him from going into cardiac arrest and so he might stop posting a link in every single thread in this forum:

Q1: How can you support Obama who supports Israel?

A: i'm not anti semitic.

Q2: Do you support sanctions for Iran?

A: i don't have a problem with it.

Q3: Do you agree with keeping the military option "on the table" when there is no proof the Iranian nuclear program is for weapons?

A: Of course i do. i am a pacifist, but i'm not naive. i agree with keeping all options on the table when dealing with all nations, including apparently friendly ones. To take anything OFF the table is stupid and naive. Welcome to the world. Try to enjoy your stay. Options on the table are just that. Options. Doesn't mean we have to use that option. Do you think Iran has taken military options off their table? Do you have concrete proof that Iran's nuclear program is NOT for weapons or will not be in the future?

Q4: Do you agree that Iran's nuclear program is illegal?

A: Not sure. Doesn't matter. In this country, drinking alcohol, for persons over the age of 21, is completely legal. You can drink as much as you want. If you decide to get in your oversized energy inefficient vehicle and go for a spin, however, you not only, all of a sudden, become illegal, you pose a HUGE threat. Taking away your damn keys, by force if necessary, is an option i'm keeping on the damn table!

Q5: Do you agree with Obama's FISA compromise?

A: Not entirely. i do understand the necessity, given the way our government works, to take babysteps and compromise to get from point A to point B. i agree that the compromise Obama supported is better than the situation we had before. If i'm starving, i would love a full buffet, but if someone offers me a cheese sandwhich and a back of chips, i'll take it.

Q6: Do you agree with the patriot act?

A: No. Neither does Obama. See above for further explanation.

Q7: Do you agree with giving Bush "blank checks" for Iraq?

A: This one i have to laugh at. It may be the dumbest question on the list. You seriously spin and oversimplify Obama's war funding vote. i've aleady answered this one several times in this forum. It isn't support of war. Its more like support of the KIDS that are already there! Whether i like it or not, whether or not i agree with it, they're already there being shot at, suicide and roadside bombed Cut off all funds, and all you do is take away ant fighting chance they have of surviving. i want them to come home too... preferably ALIVE! Blank checks for war... SHEESH!

Q8: Do you agree with appointing Condi Rice as secretary of State?

A: i take back what i said before. THIS is the dumbest question on the list. WHO CARES! Obama didn't appoint her, and its not an issue i'll be voting on anyway!

SoonForgotten2 · August 2008

cornnifer wrote:

To keep him from going into cardiac arrest and so he might stop posting a link in every single thread in this forum:

Q1: How can you support Obama who supports Israel?

A: i'm not anti semitic.

Sorry, I'm going to have to stop you right there.

Why is it difficult for people to get their head around the fact that it is not anti-semitic to be against the way the Israeli government has treated the Palestinians? Religion is no excuse for anyone to get away with what Israel has been perpetrating. To simply dismiss legitimate criticism of a country's repeated actions as anti-semitic is about as ignorant as it gets.

fuck · August 2008

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

Sorry, I'm going to have to stop you right there.

Why is it difficult for people to get their head around the fact that it is not anti-semitic to be against the way the Israeli government has treated the Palestinians? Religion is no excuse for anyone to get away with what Israel has been perpetrating. To simply dismiss legitimate criticism of a country's repeated actions as anti-semitic is about as ignorant as it gets.

thank you.

I stopped right there as well.

cornnifer · August 2008

_outlaw wrote:

thank you.

I stopped right there as well.

Of course you did.

i answered all your questions, pal.

fuck · August 2008

cornnifer wrote:

i answered all your questions, pal.

actually, you didn't. you skipped some.

I'll respond to your answers later today.

cornnifer · August 2008

_outlaw wrote:

actually, you didn't. you skipped some.

I'll respond to your answers later today.

i doubt it. Whenever someones mentions that *gasp* people should vote for who they want, you launch into some rant about how this is a discussion board , blah, blah, and no one will answer your dumb questions. i answered them. Now vote for who you want to. i'll do the same.

NMyTree · August 2008

Silly answers to Outlaw's questions.

NMyTree · August 2008

I just love the ....."Everything is anti-semitism when you disagree with, call for accountability/responsibility of .......or criticize anything Israel/Jewish related " .......crowd.

Infinitely entertaining.

Rhinocerous Surprise · August 2008

NMyTree wrote:

I just love the ....."Everything is anti-semitism when you disagree with, call for accountability/responsibility of .......or criticize anything Israel/Jewish related " .......crowd.

Infinitely entertaining.

"I don't agree with Israel's actions" =/= "I hate every Jew, ever". Kinda sad when you have to make an equation out of it.

cornnifer · August 2008

NMyTree wrote:

Silly answers to Outlaw's questions.

Then respond. You see. THIS is why no one responds to your ridiculous, speculative, horribly spun, completely rhetorical and hypothetical questions and calls for discussion. Its a waste of their time. Vote for who you want to, and let others do the same.

NMyTree · August 2008

Lately, I've been sensing a lot of anti-NMyTreemitics here at the MT.

I feel threatened and feel the need to defend myself. I think my best course of action would be to bomb and invade everything in a square radious, from here to Texas.........Michigan... Delaware and South Carolina. I think I could feel safe with that accomplished.

If not, I'll just expand my radious into California, Greenland, the Atlantic ocean and South America:D

Its Evolution Baby · August 2008

I posted this in another thread but it should really go here:
Ok I'll bite.

Issue 1 Israel: Obama publicly supports our main Allies agenda. However he has also has pledged to bring resolution to the dispute and has met with the Palestinian President already. I don't care that he refuses to meet with Hamas as they engage in tourist like activities. Once they cut that shit out and are strictly a political party then I expect him to include them on the discussions. McCain will not even talk about or acknowledge Palestine. So there is a big difference there.

Issue 2 Iran: I've been over this so many times. Of course war should be kept on the table when you are negotiating with someone when it involves missile development. Why would Iran have any reason to listen to Obama if we say right off the bat that we will not go to War with you? He is not saying let's go to War. He's saying if there are no concessions from Iran we may end up in some sort of conflict. And no they are not a threat to the US but to our main Ally Israel.

Issue 3 Condi, Patriot Act, FISA: Bush appointed her not Obama. I have no problem him confirming her candidacy as she was more then qualified for the position even if I disagree with her 100%. Your boy Nader and my Boy Obama will both appoint many cabinet members that Republicans will despise but I doubt they will vote against them if they are qualified. The Patriot Act we have already covered. FISA I disagreed with him on and made that clear, but I respected his reasons he gave for his vote. I still disagreed with him on that one though. But no candidate is perfect.

Issue 4 Blank Checks for Iraq: Again you leave out that he was the first senator to introduce a bill for a mandatory pull out date for Iraq. Or that he was against the war from the beginning. Or that he has pledged to get the troops home in 16 months and has not wavered. Him voting to keep the troops properly funded does not bother me. Especially when he is running for president and there are a lot of easily manipulated people out there who would look at a vote against funding for Troops as an Anti-Patriot.

nobody · August 2008

critizising Israel is one thing. constantly stating Israel is committing a genocide and downplaying the actions of Hamas as "fighting for freedom" is another.
it doesn't lend your argument any credibility if you overblow and oversimplify it in such a way. Israels misdeeds have to be called out. yet one should always keep in mind Israels unique situation. and this has nothing to do with being politically correct, but being correct about reality.

m.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · August 2008

Iran has done nothing illegal. The anti-semitic card is utter bullshit, and it seems obvious from that some people got worked over hard by the anti Muslim propaganda floating around in the media...promulgated by hate mongers that desire war for profit.

Scared out of their pants they are...all the way to the election.

canadajammer · August 2008

nobody wrote:

critizising Israel is one thing. constantly stating Israel is committing a genocide and downplaying the actions of Hamas as "fighting for freedom" is another.
it doesn't lend your argument any credibility if you overblow and oversimplify it in such a way. Israels misdeeds have to be called out. yet one should always keep in mind Israels unique situation. and this has nothing to do with being politically correct, but being correct about reality.

m.

couldn't have said it better myself.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · August 2008

Hi Israel?

...it's God calling...he's says to stop murdering people and taking the land they live on, or you're all going to hell.

NMyTree · August 2008

cornnifer wrote:

Then respond. You see. THIS is why no one responds to your ridiculous, speculative, horribly spun, completely rhetorical and hypothetical questions and calls for discussion. Its a waste of their time. Vote for who you want to, and let others do the same.

When have I ever stopped you from voting for who you want?

This is a discussion board. We all express our opinions and say what we think and feel. No one, especially me has ever tried to stop you or anyone else from doing so.

In fact, you are no different than anyone else in expressing your thoughts and beliefs. So stop whining and get on with it.

As for your childish "I speak for everyone" comment.....

You're certainly far from immune or innocent from " ridiculous, speculative, horribly spun, completely rhetorical and hypothetical questions and calls for discussion ". As are most on the MT.

You and anyone else who you claim to speak for, are welcome to sit there patting yourself on the back and telling yourselves that your approach is more valid or more accurate. But you're only kidding yourselves.

Its Evolution Baby · August 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Hi Israel?

...it's God calling...he's says to stop murdering people and taking the land they live on, or you're all going to hell.

Same could be said of our founding fathers...

cornnifer · August 2008

NMyTree wrote:

So stop whining and get on with it.

.

i wasn't whining. i did get on with it. All i got from you is some nonsense about it being silly. All i've gotten from any one else is a crap response on point #1. The shortest of 8. So much for "this is a discussion board.

Its Evolution Baby · August 2008

cornnifer wrote:

i wasn't whining. i did get on with it. All i got from you is some nonsense about it being silly. All i've gotten from any one else is a crap response on point #1. The shortest of 8. So much for "this is a discussion board.

Thats because the Israel Palestine conflict is the number one concern for Americans...

Wait it isn't??????

fuck · August 2008

cornnifer wrote:

Q1: How can you support Obama who supports Israel? A: i'm not anti semitic.

completely unrelated. what happened to answering these questions:
do you agree with him giving ALL of Jerusalem to Israel? do you agree with him when he said the Palestinians suffer as a result of them and NOT from the Israeli occupation? do you agree with him when he thinks funding the Israeli "defense" budget is fine? do you agree with the no talks policy on hamas?

Q2: Do you support sanctions for Iran?
A: i don't have a problem with it.

the question was "do you guys agree pushing tougher sanctions on Iran BEFORE we begin talks with them?"
you agree with his stance on diplomatic talks with Iran, right? well then, why is he pushing for sanctions BEFORE he begins talks with them? don't you think that'll only make the Iranians want to comply LESS?

Q3: Do you agree with keeping the military option "on the table" when there is no proof the Iranian nuclear program is for weapons?
A: Of course i do. i am a pacifist, but i'm not naive. i agree with keeping all options on the table when dealing with all nations, including apparently friendly ones. To take anything OFF the table is stupid and naive. Welcome to the world. Try to enjoy your stay. Options on the table are just that. Options. Doesn't mean we have to use that option. Do you think Iran has taken military options off their table?

Iran has no military options on their table, currently. however, they did say that if they were attacked, they would retaliate. Obama on the other hand is keeping pre-emptive strikes on the table, when there is no proof the program is for nuclear weapons.

Do you have concrete proof that Iran's nuclear program is NOT for weapons or will not be in the future?

actually, there is plenty of sufficient proof that Iran's program is not for weapons, and that includes several IAEA reports. as for it being for weapons "in the future"... what the fuck kind of question is that?

Q4: Do you agree that Iran's nuclear program is illegal?
A: Not sure. Doesn't matter. In this country, drinking alcohol, for persons over the age of 21, is completely legal. You can drink as much as you want. If you decide to get in your oversized energy inefficient vehicle and go for a spin, however, you not only, all of a sudden, become illegal, you pose a HUGE threat. Taking away your damn keys, by force if necessary, is an option i'm keeping on the damn table!

that's a very poor analogy, and of course it matters whether or not the PRESIDENT thinks Iran's program is ILLEGAL or not.

Q5: Do you agree with Obama's FISA compromise?
A: Not entirely. i do understand the necessity, given the way our government works, to take babysteps and compromise to get from point A to point B. i agree that the compromise Obama supported is better than the situation we had before. If i'm starving, i would love a full buffet, but if someone offers me a cheese sandwhich and a back of chips, i'll take it.

hahaha, you have the most ridiculous analogies. the "compromise" Obama supported is still terrible. FISA is still unconstitutional, and is an infringement upon our rights, and as long as you excuse Obama "compromising" on that, no real change will ever come about. why would you support Obama if you don't support FISA?

Q6: Do you agree with the patriot act?
A: No. Neither does Obama. See above for further explanation.

yet he still voted for a "compromise" of it. compromise means dick, the Patriot Act is a terrible law and Obama voted for it.

Q7: Do you agree with giving Bush "blank checks" for Iraq?
A: This one i have to laugh at. It may be the dumbest question on the list. You seriously spin and oversimplify Obama's war funding vote. i've aleady answered this one several times in this forum. It isn't support of war. Its more like support of the KIDS that are already there! Whether i like it or not, whether or not i agree with it, they're already there being shot at, suicide and roadside bombed Cut off all funds, and all you do is take away ant fighting chance they have of surviving. i want them to come home too... preferably ALIVE! Blank checks for war... SHEESH!

funny, I said blank checks for IRAQ. not for war. and I never said "it's in support of war." you really love to spin words, but it's a shame that you're terrible at it.
so you agree with giving Bush checks that go towards continuing the war? do you think that if Congress were to not approve all this money going to Bush, he would be forced to actually DO something?? I love how you guys always mention it as if if Bush didn't get all the money he wanted, the soldiers would automatically be dead. give me a break.

Q8: Do you agree with appointing Condi Rice as secretary of State?
A: i take back what i said before. THIS is the dumbest question on the list. WHO CARES! Obama didn't appoint her, and its not an issue i'll be voting on anyway!

he voted in favor of her which led to her being appointed, and of course it's an issue because it shows past actions he took, which were not very good...

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