To the beating of the drums....

Those emotion's alway's seem to fuck thing's up...

There are no absolutes. Nothing stays constant except the process of change. We are a constantly evolving species who has learned and is still learning how to co-exist in order to survive. The need for war is being de-emphasizied more and more with each new generation.

Spinbrett wrote:

As long as man has emotions such as love, anger etc. There will always be war.

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I don't know if you can equate Love with War. War is usually a product of Greed, Hatred, Intolerance, Indifference... but, Love? And War is always a decision of the leaders, not the populous. It has alway been a matter of old men sending young men out to kill the young men of other old men.

chopitdown wrote:

hmmm...interesting

Except to say that there aren't any...of course.

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Nah, the weapons are just getting bigger and nastier and in less hands, thus stifling some (but not all) smaller skirmishes.

The majority of human beings denounce violence as a means to solving problems more and more. Each new generation is finding war and it's death tolls less and less tolerable as the years go by. Human traits such as hate, greed, violence, contempt used to be rationalized and even encouraged throughout our past. They are no longer acceptable by the majority. You would have to deny history to say this isn't happening.

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Each new generation is finding war and it's death tolls less and less tolerable as the years go by.

And hang on, here. What is this? What was The Iliad but the ultimate anti-war statement? Anything else is just margarine. Pretty strong words about a war that can't even be proved by archaeology, let alone modern day statistics!

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

That's Joseph Campbell soup! bollocks! Deny history? Hate? Not encouraged? You haven't got Fox news. Violence? Not encouraged? You haven't got an x-box. Contempt? Not encouraged? They gave that cow Kathy Griffin an Emmy! You'd have to live without the mass media to deny it.

So we are all going out and living our lives based on the x-box? Sure, violence is all over media but that doesn't mean we mimic what we see there in our day to day lives. It's ridiculous to think that because a group of people watched a movie that included murderous acts that any of those same people will go out and murder anyone because of it. If anything, perhaps these 'virtual' type acts of violence help to get primal urges out of our system. Just a thought. And sure, some people will copy media and recreate things they've seen but I'm talking majority here.

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

You'll have to forgive me but I read the Iliad in 10th grade world history and it's a bit hazy to me nowadays.

You read the greatest poem ever written, all twenty four books of it, in the context of some pre-University course, and it's all hazy to you now?

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Okay, then. Walk around Soweto or Durban on your own for a few hours. Walk around Brixton. Walk around Moss Side. Walk around the Gorbals. The Bronx. South Central. Go anywhere there's gang culture, gun culture, poverty. I think the idea that things are getting better is an unconscious projection of one's own improved conditions.

I live 5 mins from the projects where I live now and I take walks through there often. There's really not much to be frightened of. There is the occasional problem but it's not like it's boyz n tha hood or something. And I've walked around downtown Atlanta plenty of times, where many say it's so bad, and didn't see what all the fuss was about. Anyways, I'm not saying violence doesn't exist in today's culture...far from it. I'm saying it's not emphasized as an acceptable way to live and justified as it was in generations past.

Spinbrett wrote:

As long as man has emotions such as love, anger etc. There will always be war.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say.............

Love rarely (if ever ) creates/wars.

Greed, selfishness, self-righteousness, hunger for power and control are what typically/traditionally creates wars. Although, love and anger in response to the former; will and has at times led to more violence/revenge.

Or of course, the 'ole "you stole my wife/lover from me, so now you shall pay". Which is pretty much the only circumstance I can think of where love will create a war.

Emotion are not the problem. Emotions are what make life worth living. If you're not feeling anything, you're not living life.

It's certain individuals on this planet who don't understand the concept of mentally and intellectually coming to terms, getting a grip and controlling their actions; after emotions are stimulated. Keeping their emotions in proper perspective, during dificult, stressful and strenuous times.