Pope's planned visiti to Turkey

puremagic
puremagic Posts: 1,907
edited September 2006 in A Moving Train
Do you think the Pope should continue with his plan to travel to Turkey in November? I don't. I don't think the Turkey government or the U.S. troops could successfully protect him during such a trip. As Turkey has a large muslim based population I can't imagine an attempt on the Pope's life not being made.


What do you think the world's reaction would be if the Pope were killed?
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    muslims would never be respected again if they killed the pope
  • exhausted
    exhausted Posts: 6,638
    puremagic wrote:
    What do you think the world's reaction would be if the Pope were killed?

    biblical, probably.
  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    puremagic wrote:

    What do you think the world's reaction would be if the Pope were killed?

    i shutter in thinking what the reaction would be. I think you'd have a lot of people begin to take things into their own hands.
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  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    jlew24asu wrote:
    muslims would never be respected again if they killed the pope

    I'm sure people would find a way to excuse it.
  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Why would the U.S. army need to protect him? Anyways, If the pope were to be killed, there would be hell to pay.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    jsand wrote:
    I'm sure people would find a way to excuse it.


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  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I hate that I believe you

    America, and the world at large, have lost their collective balls. I'm not sure if anything, even something as awful as the Pope being murdered, can get them back.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Sadly, I believe he should cancel his trip, there.

    I have a bad feeling about this.

    The whackos will be out in force.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    He should stay away. He shouldn't have to, but for his own safety and in all honesty, for the safety of the world at large.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    jsand wrote:
    America, and the world at large, have lost their collective balls. I'm not sure if anything, even something as awful as the Pope being murdered, can get them back.


    You are mistaken.

    Balls are still firmly attatched and swining side-to-side.


    I believe most rational Americans want peace for this country and the world in general.


    Sadly, our government has gotten us into some very un-noble causes and wars.

    The American government has stood by Israel's side many times.

    Considering that America and Britian are leading the charge on Terrorism, I find your comments very odd. Some may even say....ungrateful.

    Personally, I feel much of Europe are the ones who have lost their balls.

    They have been appeasing militant/radicals for decades; and in many cases continue to do so.
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    NMyTree wrote:
    You are mistaken.

    Balls are still firmly attatched and swining side-to-side.


    I believe most rational Americans want peace for this country and the world in general.


    Sadly, our government has gotten us into some very un-noble causes and wars.

    The American government has stood by Israel's side many times.

    Considering that America and Britian are leading the charge on Terrorism, I find your comments very odd. Some may even say....ungrateful.

    Personally, I feel much of Europe are the ones who have lost their balls.

    They have been appeasing militant/radicals for decades; and in many cases continue to do so.

    I agree wholeheartedly with your comments vis-a-vis Europe. As for America, I am getting disheartened with our weakness on Iran and North Korea. Being a New Yorker, my frustration is very high since Chavez and Ahmmadinejad are here.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Not directly related to the thread topic, but apparently three Christian militants have just been executed by firing squad in Indonesia. These men were alledgedly responsible for 70 odd deaths in an uprising of religious violence. Several Muslims were also convicted of killings during the same period of violence ... Sentence? Less than 15 years in prison each.
    Non-violent protests were staged by Christians, demanding a stay of the death sentences. Muslims counter-protested, calling for the mens' deaths.

    Could this situation have been reversed in a Christian-dominated country? Sure ... Several hundred years ago.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    jsand wrote:
    I agree wholeheartedly with your comments vis-a-vis Europe. As for America, I am getting disheartened with our weakness on Iran and North Korea. Being a New Yorker, my frustration is very high since Chavez and Ahmmadinejad are here.


    America can't and should not be fighting everyone.

    Other countries have to take repsonsibility, too.

    I completely agree with them going after Bin Laden and his merry men of stupidity.

    But, this Administration also had the opportunity (after 9/11) to admit it's mistakes and change their foreign poilicies.

    At the same time they had an enormous opportunity, through dimplomacy to allow radical/militant Muslims to hang themselves and expose themselves for the vile, hateful pieces of shit they really are.

    And they would have, without a doubt. Recruiting more Muslims for their twisted inititive, would have become very difficult.

    Then, they could have used military force if need be.

    But instead, this Administration approached this like a mindless street fight and alienated many Muslims. They gave radicals and moderates a common ground.

    Ultimately I want the fighting and murdering to cease, not expand.

    This Administration has to re-think their approach and make better decisions.

    Getting into a dogfight with Iran, North Korea and the Chavez's of the world, is not the correct choice.

    We have to smarter than that.
  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    puremagic wrote:


    What do you think the world's reaction would be if the Pope were killed?
    then we would have a real holy war.i dont think pope bendict should have been pope anways, but thats for a different thread
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  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Not directly related to the thread topic, but apparently three Christian militants have just been executed by firing squad in Indonesia. These men were alledgedly responsible for 70 odd deaths in an uprising of religious violence. Several Muslims were also convicted of killings during the same period of violence ... Sentence? Less than 15 years in prison each.
    Non-violent protests were staged by Christians, demanding a stay of the death sentences. Muslims counter-protested, calling for the mens' deaths.

    Could this situation have been reversed in a Christian-dominated country? Sure ... Several hundred years ago.

    But what else can we expect? We know what these whackos are all about.

    Only a fool could refuse to see.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    NMyTree wrote:
    America can't and should not be fighting everyone.

    Other countries have to take repsonsibility, too.

    I completely agree with them going after Bin Laden and his merry men of stupidity.

    But, this Administration also had the opportunity (after 9/11) to admit it's mistakes and change their foreign poilicies.

    At the same time they had an enormous opportunity, through dimplomacy to allow radical/militant Muslims to hang themselves and expose themselves for the vile, hateful pieces of shit they really are.

    And they would have, without a doubt. Recruiting more Muslims for their twisted inititive, would have become very difficult.

    Then, they could have used military force if need be.

    But instead, this Administration approached this like a mindless street fight and alienated many Muslims. They gave radicals and moderates a common ground.

    Ultimately I want the fighting and murdering to cease, not expand.

    This Administration has to re-think their approach and make better decisions.

    Getting into a dogfight with Iran, North Korea and the Chavez's of the world, is not the correct choice.

    We have to smarter than that.

    Well said ... jsand makes good points as well, but those fights the West does undertake must be smart ones. There are many moderate Muslims out there (many of whom live in our countries), and we need these people on the right side of the fence. I can see how wars like Iraq might give moderates and hardliners alike a shared sense of threat.
    Seriously, these hardliners piss me off like few others things do. But its easy to forget that there are a lot of good people out there who happen to practice Islam. These people deserve respect and dignity. We need them, if fundamentalist Islam is to be defeated.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    reborncareerist wrote:
    ...... there are a lot of good people out there who happen to practice Islam. These people deserve respect and dignity.

    Absolutely!! Great points.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    puremagic wrote:
    Do you think the Pope should continue with his plan to travel to Turkey in November? I don't. I don't think the Turkey government or the U.S. troops could successfully protect him during such a trip. As Turkey has a large muslim based population I can't imagine an attempt on the Pope's life not being made.


    What do you think the world's reaction would be if the Pope were killed?

    The US troops????

    I think he should continue his trip.

    The world's reaction would be a lot of hatred.
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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Wasn't it a Turkish fellow who took the poke at the Polish pope? It would be very entertaining to say the least with the more threats that he will get as the time grows near. You want to open your mouth, you better be able to suck it up like a big boy when the time comes. Now if they rip him apart with their bare hands..........that would be something!
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  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    even flow? wrote:
    You want to open your mouth, you better be able to suck it up like a big boy when the time comes.

    Well, they'll (radical Muslims) have to suck it up like a big boy, while America bombs them into the stone age. Afterall, they opened their mouths all the time.

    :D

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