Please sign this petition

krzzzymary
krzzzymary Posts: 458
edited October 2007 in A Moving Train
o.k. dating myself but I attended the original "no nukes" concerts way back when.

Please sign this petition if you agree with this.
There is a clause in the Energy bill before congress containing a clause that could force taxpayers to pay for an unlimited number of nuclear chemical plants.

http://nukefree.org/

sorry if this has already been posted.
I see Pearl Jam has signed this (look on right hand side who supports)
"You can bomb the world to pieces but you can't bomb into peace"
Michael Franti
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    krzzzymary wrote:
    o.k. dating myself but I attended the original "no nukes" concerts way back when.

    Please sign this petition if you agree with this.
    There is a clause in the Energy bill before congress containing a clause that could force taxpayers to pay for an unlimited number of nuclear chemical plants.

    http://nukefree.org/

    sorry if this has already been posted.
    I see Pearl Jam has signed this (look on right hand side who supports)

    Nuclear power is probably our best option for replacing fossil fuels for the energy we need to power our cities, homes, and businesses.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    krzzzymary wrote:
    o.k. dating myself but I attended the original "no nukes" concerts way back when.

    Please sign this petition if you agree with this.
    There is a clause in the Energy bill before congress containing a clause that could force taxpayers to pay for an unlimited number of nuclear chemical plants.

    http://nukefree.org/

    sorry if this has already been posted.
    I see Pearl Jam has signed this (look on right hand side who supports)

    what other options for energy do we have? coal burning plants are the LEADING cause for the hole in the ozone layer and global warming. did you know that?
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    mammasan wrote:
    Nuclear power is probably our best option for replacing fossil fuels for the energy we need to power our cities, homes, and businesses.

    Amen.

    But I wish private companies would be the ones opening them instead of the government.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • krzzzymary
    krzzzymary Posts: 458
    Dont sign the petition then
    "You can bomb the world to pieces but you can't bomb into peace"
    Michael Franti
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    know1 wrote:
    Amen.

    But I wish private companies would be the ones opening them instead of the government.

    Agreed.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 27,052
    not signing........
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • krzzzymary
    krzzzymary Posts: 458
    Is nuclear power clean and safe?
    "You can bomb the world to pieces but you can't bomb into peace"
    Michael Franti
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    krzzzymary wrote:
    Dont sign the petition then

    I'd consider it if you gave me a reason to. but you havent.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    mammasan wrote:
    Nuclear power is probably our best option for replacing fossil fuels for the energy we need to power our cities, homes, and businesses.

    nuclear is one of the most expensive forms of new energy production ... don't be fooled by the lobbyists ...

    of course if everyone wants to continue to live a life of excess and leave inefficient appliances on all the time ... then - there may be no alternative but don't be fooled into thinking it's a necessity ...

    look what LED lights have done ... from 100 w light bulbs to 3 watts ...
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    krzzzymary wrote:
    Dont sign the petition then

    Trust me I will not sign the petition, but I do find it funny that people will protest our dependency on foreign oil, how gas emissions and coal emissions are damaging our environment, but when a clean viable option is presented such as nuclear power they protest that as well. Solar, wind, and hydro power are not going to cut it so the otnly other viable option is nuclear. At this point we probably could have reduced our dependecy on oil to some extent if every damn granola eating, Birckenstock wearing, tree hugging environmentalist wasn't always protesting the building of a new nuclear power plant.

    Tell me how many accidents have occured world-wide in a nuclear power plant that have caused an environmental hazard?

    The answer 2. Since 1954 there have only been two meltdowns Chernobyl and Three Mile Island. I don't know about you but that is a pretty damn good safety record.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • krzzzymary
    krzzzymary Posts: 458
    The provision is a blank check that could use tens of billions of tax payers dollars to build a power plant ... say ... in your backyard.
    "You can bomb the world to pieces but you can't bomb into peace"
    Michael Franti
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    polaris wrote:
    nuclear is one of the most expensive forms of new energy production ... don't be fooled by the lobbyists ...

    of course if everyone wants to continue to live a life of excess and leave inefficient appliances on all the time ... then - there may be no alternative but don't be fooled into thinking it's a necessity ...

    look what LED lights have done ... from 100 w light bulbs to 3 watts ...

    The reactors are expensive to build yes but the costumer pays less per month in electricity than with traditional coal burning electricity plants. One of my older brother's lives near a nuclear plant and his electricity bill is half of what I pay plus the plant pays so much in taxes to the town that his property taxes are non-existant. So in the long run it is cheaper and saves you money in other areas of your life as well, like property taxes.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    mammasan wrote:

    Tell me how many accidents have occured world-wide in a nuclear power plant that have caused an environmental hazard?

    The answer 2. Since 1954 there have only been two meltdowns Chernobyl and Three Mile Island. I don't know about you but that is a pretty damn good safety record.


    Especially when you consider how many people end up with serious respiratory diseases from living next to coal fired generating stations.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    krzzzymary wrote:
    The provision is a blank check that could use tens of billions of tax payers dollars to build a power plant ... say ... in your backyard.

    the classic not in my backyard syndrome. have you traveled around this country? there are many places a power plants could go and still be hundreds of miles away from the nearest large town or city.

    and dont ya think they might use some of those billions on safety?

    regardless, we dont have many options.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    krzzzymary wrote:
    The provision is a blank check that could use tens of billions of tax payers dollars to build a power plant ... say ... in your backyard.

    Go right ahead. My electricity bill will go down. I can then switch my heating from natural gas to electric further lowering my expenses. Also my landlords property taxes will go down so that elminates the possibility of my rent going up. I would rather my tax dollars went to weening us of oil and natural gas to a reusable energy source like nuclear than it going to fueling wars for the sake of protecting oil reserves.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 27,052
    i would fucking love a nuclear power plant in my backyard...........
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • krzzzymary
    krzzzymary Posts: 458
    Nuclear power is not profitable. If it could compete in the market with wind power or solar energy they wouldn't need loan guarantees for it.

    Do you think they can be protected from terror attacks.
    That will be real nice - radio active mass destruction
    "You can bomb the world to pieces but you can't bomb into peace"
    Michael Franti
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    mammasan wrote:
    The reactors are expensive to build yes but the costumer pays less per month in electricity than with traditional coal burning electricity plants. One of my older brother's lives near a nuclear plant and his electricity bill is half of what I pay plus the plant pays so much in taxes to the town that his property taxes are non-existant. So in the long run it is cheaper and saves you money in other areas of your life as well, like property taxes.

    the only reason it is viable is because it is subsidized - the same reason as oil ... gov'ts do NOT subsidize renewables like they do oil, nuclear and coal ... our province has a huge debt because of our financing of our old nuclear reactors ... they take like 10 years to build and billions of dollars ... then they are running for like 3 before they have to be repaired ...

    the ones we have go offline for repairs often and that again is tax payer dollars ... we still haven't paid for our reactors and we're gonna build new ones ...

    those billions of dollars can be put into conservation programs and renewables with more payback and less risk ...

    we are not even factoring the environmental consequences of mining uranium nor what we do with the waste ... right now, we store them in swimming pools - how long can we do that for?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    krzzzymary wrote:
    Nuclear power is not profitable. If it could compete in the market with wind power or solar energy they wouldn't need loan guarantees for it.

    Do you think they can be protected from terror attacks.
    That will be real nice - radio active mass destruction

    we already have over 100 nuclear power plants and they havent been attacked. and they have tighter security around them then the white house.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris wrote:
    those billions of dollars can be put into conservation programs and renewables with more payback and less risk ...

    this is where you lost me. most of your stuff is just made up propaganda anyway but this one is up there.

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