5 years later and binLaden's still free

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  • Milhouse VanHouten
    Milhouse VanHouten Posts: 755
    DCGARDEN wrote:
    Bush will go down as the most hated president in history ( home and abroad) and as one of the most prolific war-time presidents in history(whether you like it or not)

    Deal with it -

    What do you mean by "prolific", that he waged the most war?
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  • DCGARDEN
    DCGARDEN Posts: 515
    I would'nt necessarily agree with your spectre of " waging the most war"

    He did wage the war in Iraq, but the war in Afghanistan was reactionary by all definitions I can conjure up

    But to answer you question, no. I believe if the capture / kill of Bin Laden took place during his term you would have to capture the following events and list them as follows -

    After US is attacked on 9/11

    Afghanistan
    Iraq
    Khalid Sheik Mohammed
    Sadamm Hussein
    Uday & Qusay
    Osama Bin Laden

    All either blown to pieces / overthrown / captured or killed

    Yes , that would qualify the man as a prolific war-time president
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    DCGARDEN wrote:
    I would'nt necessarily agree with your spectre of " waging the most war"

    He did wage the war in Iraq, but the war in Afghanistan was reactionary by all definitions I can conjure up

    But to answer you question, no. I believe if the capture / kill of Bin Laden took place during his term you would have to capture the following events and list them as follows -

    After US is attacked on 9/11

    Afghanistan
    Iraq
    Khalid Sheik Mohammed
    Sadamm Hussein
    Uday & Qusay
    Osama Bin Laden

    All either blown to pieces / overthrown / captured or killed

    Yes , that would qualify the man as a prolific war-time president

    are you saying bush is soley responsible for all of the above....?

    I wonder if you blame him for 9/11...after all he was "in charge" on that day...would you agree...

    or are we cherry-picking again...?
  • DCGARDEN
    DCGARDEN Posts: 515
    inmytree wrote:
    are you saying bush is soley responsible for all of the above....?

    I wonder if you blame him for 9/11...after all he was "in charge" on that day...would you agree...

    or are we cherry-picking again...?


    Fair Point - but a little dis-ingenious, I think

    Of course I'm not saying he's solely responsible - If I were - I would also be saying he's responsible for NOT getting Bin Laden - but you know as well as I do that ultimatley all of the above will land in his legacy - that's what we were discussing ............if you forgot that - I suggest you backspace a few times
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    inmytree wrote:
    are you saying bush is soley responsible for all of the above....?

    I wonder if you blame him for 9/11...after all he was "in charge" on that day...would you agree...

    or are we cherry-picking again...?

    bill clinton is responsable for 9/11. he ignored the first attack; he ignored the warnings from those who told him another attack was inevitable and also how it might be carried out; and he ignored the threats from the attackers. if that doesn't lay the blame squarely on his shoulders; then no one is to blame. call it an act of God.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    ledvedderman wrote:
    I think Osama Bin Laden could live in the biggest house in Saudi Arabia with a big red and white target surrounding it as a yard and they wouldn't let us touch him still, and the administration would agree.

    whom in the administration agreed??? maybe he's already captured and hidden away until towards the end of bushs term. maybe he's dead and frozen waiting until then. you know how the board likes conspiracies.
  • DCGARDEN
    DCGARDEN Posts: 515
    onelongsong wrote:
    bill clinton is responsable for 9/11. he ignored the first attack; he ignored the warnings from those who told him another attack was inevitable and also how it might be carried out; and he ignored the threats from the attackers. if that doesn't lay the blame squarely on his shoulders; then no one is to blame. call it an act of God.


    I think any sane person knows that Clinton's weak-ass foreign policy left a big plate of unfinished-business for Bush to clean up
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    DCGARDEN wrote:
    I think any sane person knows that Clinton's weak-ass foreign policy left a big plate of unfinished-business for Bush to clean up

    counting you that makes 2 sane people on the board!!!
  • DCGARDEN
    DCGARDEN Posts: 515
    onelongsong wrote:
    counting you that makes 2 sane people on the board!!!


    lol....well at least I've got company
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  • Echo
    Echo Posts: 2
    onelongsong wrote:
    bill clinton is responsable for 9/11. he ignored the first attack; he ignored the warnings from those who told him another attack was inevitable and also how it might be carried out; and he ignored the threats from the attackers. if that doesn't lay the blame squarely on his shoulders; then no one is to blame. call it an act of God.


    I guess that means that George H.W. Bush is responsible for the first attack on the World Trade Center in early 1993.

    I don't remember Clinton ignoring that first attack. The people responsible are in prison for life as far as I know. That's where Bin Laden should be but Bush2 just let him go free, just like he let the Bin Laden family fly out of the country when the second WTC attack happened.
  • SweetHarmonics
    SweetHarmonics Posts: 290
    onelongsong wrote:
    bill clinton is responsable for 9/11. he ignored the first attack; he ignored the warnings from those who told him another attack was inevitable and also how it might be carried out; and he ignored the threats from the attackers. if that doesn't lay the blame squarely on his shoulders; then no one is to blame. call it an act of God.

    So what about the memo titled "Bin Laden determined to strike inside U.S." that Bush received in the weeks prior to 9/11? Was that not a clear warning of what was to come?
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  • John Budge
    John Budge Posts: 259
    DCGARDEN wrote:
    I think any sane person knows that Clinton's weak-ass foreign policy left a big plate of unfinished-business for Bush to clean up
    So, why did Bush do nothing for his first 8 months in office? I take that back. He did take a long vacation.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    onelongsong wrote:
    bill clinton is responsable for 9/11. he ignored the first attack; he ignored the warnings from those who told him another attack was inevitable and also how it might be carried out; and he ignored the threats from the attackers. if that doesn't lay the blame squarely on his shoulders; then no one is to blame. call it an act of God.
    ...
    I see at least ONE person watched that ABC Television Mini-series.
    ...
    Er... wait... Is it Clinton's fault or God's?
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  • DCGARDEN
    DCGARDEN Posts: 515
    John Budge wrote:
    So, why did Bush do nothing for his first 8 months in office? I take that back. He did take a long vacation.


    Ummm 9/11 did'nt happen during the period of time you're speaking of

    When it happened - that my friend - was what you call a wake-up call
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  • DCGARDEN
    DCGARDEN Posts: 515
    SweetHarmonics wrote:
    So what about the memo titled "Bin Laden determined to strike inside U.S." that Bush received in the weeks prior to 9/11? Was that not a clear warning of what was to come?


    What's a more clear picture of things to come?

    The memo " Bin Laden determined to strike US "

    or

    Hundreds of pages of documents on Sadamm Hussein's chemical weapon capabillity - skeleton's of gassed Kurds - and the kicking out of UN weapons inspectors all of these years

    Damn...I should be a lawyer!!!!!
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  • Nothingman54
    Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    Thats bullshit! Bush could find him if he wanted to! Fuck our government! They lie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A few days ago an offical report found that Iraq had nothing to do with Bin and the White House said lets no worry how we got here, lets worry about how we are going to get through it. Fuck the US government. Bin is probably bunking up with Bush in the White House. NEVER TRUST A WORD OUR GOVERNMENT SAYS!
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  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    Nothingman54 wrote:
    Thats bullshit! Bush could find him if he wanted to! Fuck our government! They lie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A few days ago an offical report found that Iraq had nothing to do with Bin and the White House said lets no worry how we got here, lets worry about how we are going to get through it. Fuck the US government. Bin is probably bunking up with Bush in the White House. NEVER TRUST A WORD OUR GOVERNMENT SAYS!

    Wow.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    John Budge wrote:
    So, why did Bush do nothing for his first 8 months in office? I take that back. He did take a long vacation.

    it would take me more than 8 months to sort through 8 years of incompetence. don't you see the 8 months of gathering intelligence and preperation or do you only see what you want to see.
    let me ask you: why didn't clinton do anything for 8 years??? the '93 attack went by like it never happened. what about the plane bombings he did nothing about?
    are you sure you want to debate politics with me?
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Nothingman54 wrote:
    Thats bullshit! Bush could find him if he wanted to! Fuck our government! They lie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A few days ago an offical report found that Iraq had nothing to do with Bin and the White House said lets no worry how we got here, lets worry about how we are going to get through it. Fuck the US government. Bin is probably bunking up with Bush in the White House. NEVER TRUST A WORD OUR GOVERNMENT SAYS!

    why do we keep finding and killing taliban soldiers and "generals" in iraqi? where are the WMD's that the US gave saddam? we know they're there b/c we gave them to him. we have evidence of biologicals in the mass graves we found. what more do you want???
  • SweetHarmonics
    SweetHarmonics Posts: 290
    DCGARDEN wrote:
    What's a more clear picture of things to come?

    The memo " Bin Laden determined to strike US "

    or

    Hundreds of pages of documents on Sadamm Hussein's chemical weapon capabillity - skeleton's of gassed Kurds - and the kicking out of UN weapons inspectors all of these years

    Damn...I should be a lawyer!!!!!

    quite the apt analogy, makes for a compelling argument
    hate was just a legend

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