It's Sarah Palin

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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    fanch75 wrote:
    It seems the consensus is that Biden & Palin balance out both sides.

    Maybe it'll be about the issues this time and not allthe other aesthetics & demonizing?


    hahahahaha....starting the natty's early today fanch? ;)


    i mean i hope that happens but c'mon this is america....we're nuts! :o
  • chromiam
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    digster wrote:
    OK, so let's do something a little silly, because there is some inference that no government experience matters except for executive experience in this post. Let's say one year of executive experience counts for three of legislative experience. Obama still has more experience than her. And there's no way that being mayor of a town of 4,000 is preparation for the presidency. Obama has made it clear it does not have typical executive experience; lucky for him he has framed his candidacy for different reasons.

    I'm not saying that Palin is a bad choice because she has no experience. I am saying McCain has now taken the air out of, thus far, his most successful argument against Obama.

    Also, I should point out that John McCain has zero executive experience either.

    I hope you're only counting 2 years of congressional service for Obama.... since he has spent the rest of the time running for the presidental nomination.
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  • digster
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    chromiam wrote:
    I hope you're only counting 2 years of congressional service for Obama.... since he has spent the rest of the time running for the presidental nomination.

    I think this is the right experience for each...

    Eight years in the State Senate.
    Two years in the U.S. Senate.

    vs.

    1 and a half years on City Council
    Two years as mayor
    Two years as governor

    This is discounting experience outside government, in which Obama's list is relatively extensive and Palin's (according to the several biographies I've read) is extremely minimal.
  • godpt3
    godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    lowbudgetlush wrote:
    So are you saying that if you are a mother you should stay at home with your children and not work? I thought liberals were the ones who were all for women in the workforce?

    Who cares if she is a mother. Who cares if she has a down syndrome child. Some people need to take a step back and think before they type.

    I'm saying that a new mother is not always the most engaged coworker. Especially one with a special-needs child. I've seen first-hand what happens when a woman falsely believes she can handle being both a mother and a manager. Somebody else always ends up picking up the slack.



    Oh, and I ain't your typical liberal :)
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  • anotherclone
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    chromiam wrote:
    I hope you're only counting 2 years of congressional service for Obama.... since he has spent the rest of the time running for the presidental nomination.

    *sigh* For the 1,000th time, he was in the Illinois State senate for 7 freaking years. sheesh. :p
  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    anotherclone wrote:
    *sigh* For the 1,000th time, he was in the Illinois State senate for 7 freaking years. sheesh. :p

    I think it was only 8...elected in 96 and elected to the U.S Senate in 2004. Still more than Palin, but not quite that much.
  • anotherclone
    anotherclone Posts: 1,688
    digster wrote:
    I think it was only 8...elected in 96 and elected to the U.S Senate in 2004. Still more than Palin, but not quite that much.

    we must have been typing at the same time. I put "12" and edited it to "7".

    Sorry 'bout that.
  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    This has become like arguing over has the most black friends to prove who is the least racist.
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  • jhinkle1114
    jhinkle1114 Posts: 212
    lowbudgetlush wrote:
    Say Obama drops dead from a heart attack (i dont wish death on anyone) then you have a senator that has been in Washington for 35 years. Where is your "Change" if that happens.

    To be fair, Biden has been a fairly independent thinker during his 35 years in Washington.

    People are too disillusioned and think everyone that's been in Washington is the same. They're not.

    I'm not a gigantic fan of Biden, but he's a far cry better than most any other long term senator and I could certainly live with him as president if something happened to Obama.

    And definitely more than I could live with Palin who has no experience on the national stage and very little at the state level. Obama's experience looks outstanding compared to hers, and I'll admit that even his experience level worries me a bit despite me being a firm supporter who has made a few modest donations to his campaign.
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  • chromiam
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    anotherclone wrote:
    *sigh* For the 1,000th time, he was in the Illinois State senate for 7 freaking years. sheesh. :p

    and "phoned in" about half his votes... ;)
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  • reversedarwinism
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    did he just pick a black chick?
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  • digster
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    chromiam wrote:
    and "phoned in" about half his votes... ;)

    Funny statistic about that...

    I believe, as of now since the 04 re-election period Obama is the 3rd most absent senator in the U.S. Senate.

    Bet you can guess who's #1.
  • Gmoney
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    i honestly mean this in a very non sexist way, but this election may come down to how stubborn women are. Biden eliminates Obama's lack of experience, but devalues his campaign of change. Palin appeals more to conservatives and reformist, but devalues mccain's campaign on expereince first. With all those factors canceled out I think the election comes down to those undecided Hillary supporters, mostly women. Will her female supporters stick to their party, or will they vote mccain just because his vp is a female? If you look into Palin she couldn't be more different than Hillary... so how stubborn will those uncommitted Hillary supporters be?
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  • fanch75
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    Gmoney wrote:
    i honestly mean this in a very non sexist way, but this election may come down to how stubborn women are.

    Hey yo yo yo, Gmoney! Drop some phat-azz beats yo on how dem bytchez STYLL ayn't shyt and bein' all stubborn all up in here! Play on, playa
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  • jhinkle1114
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    Gmoney wrote:
    With all those factors canceled out I think the election comes down to those undecided Hillary supporters, mostly women. Will her female supporters stick to their party, or will they vote mccain just because his vp is a female? If you look into Palin she couldn't be more different than Hillary... so how stubborn will those uncommitted Hillary supporters be?

    The kicker is most of Hillary's female supporters are staunchly pro choice and Palin is staunchly pro life, and in general is further to the right than McCain.

    McCain is more amorphous on abortion over his career, so it's more conceivable they could have accepted him.

    It's a hard line to swallow that Hillary's, staunchest, feminist supporters who wanted nothing more than a woman in the White House would be so stubborn to put a woman who stands against everything they believe a heart beat away from the oval office.
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  • Gmoney
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    jhinkle1114 wrote:
    The kicker is most of Hillary's female supporters are staunchly pro choice and Palin is staunchly pro life, and in general is further to the right than McCain.

    McCain is more amorphous on abortion over his career, so it's more conceivable they could have accepted him.

    It's a hard line to swallow that Hillary's, staunchest, feminist supporters who wanted nothing more than a woman in the White House would be so stubborn to put a woman who stands against everything they believe a heart beat away from the oval office.
    yes but this is what im worried about... my aunt is an older women, life long democrat, and she said today that she would vote for mccain so that she can see a woman in office during her life time! She knows of Palin's beliefs, but seems not to care. I find it disturbing, and it worried me
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  • jhinkle1114
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    Here's a great quote from another forum....

    "Jesus tap-dancing Christ. If McCain wanted a former beauty queen with no experience and a criminal investigation on her record, I don’t know why he didn’t just pick his own wife."
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  • godpt3
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    jhinkle1114 wrote:
    It's a hard line to swallow that Hillary's, staunchest, feminist supporters who wanted nothing more than a woman in the White House would be so stubborn to put a woman who stands against everything they believe a heart beat away from the oval office.

    You'd be surprised at just how stubborn women can be :(

    Personally, I think this was a brilliant pick for McCain. Evil, but brilliant. Palin's pretty much untouchable on the experience front because she's a young mother. And Democrats don't want to be seen beating up on a mother of a special needs child.
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  • digster
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    godpt3 wrote:
    You'd be surprised at just how stubborn women can be :(

    Personally, I think this was a brilliant pick for McCain. Evil, but brilliant. Palin's pretty much untouchable on the experience front because she's a young mother. And Democrats don't want to be seen beating up on a mother of a special needs child.

    Assailing her credentials is beating up on her personal life. McCain was a prisoner of war. Obama grew up with an absent father. Biden had his wife and daughter die in a horrible car crash and survived near-death experiences. All these people have taken their knocks in this campaign. Her integrity on raising a child has nothing to do with the criticism of her as nominee.
  • Solat13
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    godpt3 wrote:
    You'd be surprised at just how stubborn women can be :(

    Personally, I think this was a brilliant pick for McCain. Evil, but brilliant. Palin's pretty much untouchable on the experience front because she's a young mother. And Democrats don't want to be seen beating up on a mother of a special needs child.

    Nor can they be seen beating up a former union member whose married to a union member and a daughter of union members.

    A lot of the Dems base comes from unions and if they beat up too much on her, they may lose union votes.
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