Biden, Obama helped keep 'Bridge to Nowhere' alive

mammasan
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edited September 2008 in A Moving Train
I figured that I've taken a few shots at McCain/Palin in the past few weeks so to be fair I'm taking some shots at Obama/Biden. I keep hearing Obama throw the word "Change" around a lot but have yet to see that reflected in any of his past or current actions. We don't need anymore catch phrases from politicians. We need action. We need solutions to the issues facing us today.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/23/biden.earmarks/index.html
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  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    Quote from Obama ...

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/sep/23/bridge-too-far-bridge-nowhere/

    "Others intent on cutting spending have pointed to Alaska’s ‘Bridge to Nowhere’ as a wasteful project," Obama wrote. "I agree and believe that it represents the first type of project we should cut. But it’s wrong to single out one state’s pork project. If we’re serious about shared responsibility, let’s eliminate all pork projects in all states."


    oh, and Politifact's assessment that Obama "supported" the Bridge to Nowhere ....

    We think it’s a stretch to claim that Obama supported the Bridge to Nowhere. Certainly not the way Palin once did when she was running for governor of Alaska. Voting for a $236-billion spending bill that included the Alaska bridge is hardly support for it. But because Obama could have voted to kill the project with the Coburn Amendment, we’ll give it a Barely True.
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  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    Obama and Biden "supported" earmarks for the construction of a highway and bridge. The funds were "misused" by Alaskan officials. Some of the money was diverted by Alaskan Congressman, Don Young, to build a highway in Florida. Don Young and Jack Abramoff worked closely on a number of projects which is under investigation by the FBI.
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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    I wouldn't expect much commentary on here.

    I mentioned this three weeks ago and no one replied:

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5827586&postcount=6
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Illinois is the 48th worst state as far as economy goes. Obama's word on anything is questionable.
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    mammasan wrote:
    I figured that I've taken a few shots at McCain/Palin in the past few weeks so to be fair I'm taking some shots at Obama/Biden. I keep hearing Obama throw the word "Change" around a lot but have yet to see that reflected in any of his past or current actions. We don't need anymore catch phrases from politicians. We need action. We need solutions to the issues facing us today.


    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/23/biden.earmarks/index.html

    I do think its funny though it took CNN and probably the rest of the mainstream media weeks to actually report this though.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    unsung wrote:
    Illinois is the 48th worst state as far as economy goes. Obama's word on anything is questionable.

    In his defense what would the senator of a state have to do with the state's economy. That responsibility, if any of it, would fall on the governor and the state legislature.

    Back to the original topic, Obama may be able to get a pass, I don't believe he should, but let's say he does, Biden on the other hand sought for over 100 earmarks for his state. Should he really be the one to criticize Palin over the Bridge to Nowhere.
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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    mammasan wrote:
    In his defense what would the senator of a state have to do with the state's economy. That responsibility, if any of it, would fall on the governor and the state legislature.

    Back to the original topic, Obama may be able to get a pass, I don't believe he should, but let's say he does, Biden on the other hand sought for over 100 earmarks for his state. Should he really be the one to criticize Palin over the Bridge to Nowhere.

    How does he get a pass? Obama was given the option to divert the funds from the Bridge to Nowhere to repair the highway that was destroyed by Katrina. Instead he voted with his party and then 4 months later makes a podcast saying how earmarks like the Bridge to Nowhere must be stopped and works on stopping the process with McCain. Apparently McCain really was the only one who was against the Bridge from the start.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Solat13 wrote:
    I do think its funny though it took CNN and probably the rest of the mainstream media weeks to actually report this though.

    Why? This whole bridge issue is about as pointless now as it was a few weeks ago when Palin was using it on the campaign trail. The only reason it was popular than was because Palin was saying that she was against it. If Obama and Biden were on the trail saying they were against it, it would have been brought up a lot sooner.

    There were a few days this week of actual issues being talked about, but since neither candidate can really use it to their advantage anymore, both sides are back to digging up crap like this to try to get an upper hand.
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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Why? This whole bridge issue is about as pointless now as it was a few weeks ago when Palin was using it on the campaign trail. The only reason it was popular than was because Palin was saying that she was against it. If Obama and Biden were on the trail saying they were against it, it would have been brought up a lot sooner.

    There were a few days this week of actual issues being talked about, but since neither candidate can really use it to their advantage anymore, both sides are back to digging up crap like this to try to get an upper hand.

    Because when I did a quick google search on Bridge to Nowhere after the RNC and when the Dems attacked Palin for flip flopping on the idea, I found out about the Coburn bill.

    If I can find that info out in about a minute and a half it shouldn't take the press 3 weeks.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
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    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    mammasan wrote:
    Back to the original topic, Obama may be able to get a pass, I don't believe he should, but let's say he does, Biden on the other hand sought for over 100 earmarks for his state. Should he really be the one to criticize Palin over the Bridge to Nowhere.

    The fine line that they (Obama/Biden) are walking is that were not criticizing her for taking or supporting earmarks, they were criticizing her for lying about it.

    Biden (and Obama to a lesser extent) has no room to talk about someone taking earmarks, but it is a valid point to call the other side out on stretching the truth or outright lying.
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Solat13 wrote:
    Because when I did a quick google search on Bridge to Nowhere after the RNC and when the Dems attacked Palin for flip flopping on the idea, I found out about the Coburn bill.

    If I can find that info out in about a minute and a half it shouldn't take the press 3 weeks.

    You're missing my point... they were attacking the flip-flop (and lying about it), not the supporting of the earmark in the first place.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Solat13 wrote:
    How does he get a pass? Obama was given the option to divert the funds from the Bridge to Nowhere to repair the highway that was destroyed by Katrina. Instead he voted with his party and then 4 months later makes a podcast saying how earmarks like the Bridge to Nowhere must be stopped and works on stopping the process with McCain. Apparently McCain really was the only one who was against the Bridge from the start.

    I was referring to the second poster. I don't believe that he should get a pass. The option was made available to him to change his vote and he didn't, which in my opinion means he supported the bridge.

    There is also one thing that I have to say I like about McCain and that is that he has never once sought any pork barrel money for his state. He has been consistent on that issue which is a plus.
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  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    c'mon ... the media, CNN ... it is in their best interst to keep this thing close ... for viewership ....

    McCain/Palin get a huge bounce after the RNC ... let's tear them down ...

    McCain fumbles last week ... Obama starts taking a lead ... time to get some stuff against Obama up and circulating ...

    The media, it's all a game.
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  • Gonzo1977
    Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    Jesus Christ!!

    You Conservatives really have nothing....do you?

    It's pretty pathetic. This is about as idiotic as claims that Obama recieved advice and funding from Freddie Mac...It's just so fucking absurd.

    Stop with all these bullshit claims and fabricated gossip and start talking about some real issues...

    Or are you too scared because you realize Grandpa McCain and his Hockey Mom Hack Sidekick Palin really don't have anything substantial to offer this country?
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    Jesus Christ!!

    You Conservatives really have nothing....do you?

    It's pretty pathetic. This is about as idiotic as claims that Obama recieved advice and funding from Freddie Mac...It's just so fucking absurd.

    Stop with all these bullshit claims and fabricated gossip and start talking about some real issues...

    Or are you too scared because you realize Grandpa McCain and his Hockey Mom Hack Sidekick Palin really don't have anything substantial to offer this country?

    Neither does Obama/Biden. Name one plan, one initiative that Obama has outlined that he plans to implement if he is elected.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jimed14 wrote:
    c'mon ... the media, CNN ... it is in their best interst to keep this thing close ... for viewership ....

    McCain/Palin get a huge bounce after the RNC ... let's tear them down ...

    McCain fumbles last week ... Obama starts taking a lead ... time to get some stuff against Obama up and circulating ...

    The media, it's all a game.

    I'm only playing fair. I have dished out my harsh criticism on the McCain/Palin ticket so it is only fair that I do so for the Obama/Biden ticket. I can't really consider myself partial and unbaised if I criticized one candidate but not the other.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    mammasan wrote:
    I'm only playing fair. I have dished out my harsh criticism on the McCain/Palin ticket so it is only fair that I do so for the Obama/Biden ticket. I can't really consider myself partial and unbaised if I criticized one candidate but not the other.


    I didn't blame you ... not at all.
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  • Gonzo1977
    Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    mammasan wrote:
    Neither does Obama/Biden. Name one plan, one initiative that Obama has outlined that he plans to implement if he is elected.


    Hmmm....

    I guess we won't get to hear any issues since your boy bailed on the debates this Friday.

    Just another Lame ass Hoover Manuever by the McCain camp to avoid the inevitable.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    Hmmm....

    I guess we won't get to hear any issues since your boy bailed on the debates this Friday.

    Just another Lame ass Hoover Manuever by the McCain camp to avoid the inevitable.

    Who said he was my boy. I'm a Ron Paul supporter my friend. I refuse to support Obama or McCain. Neither candidate has shown me that they are anything more than your average run of the mill hack politician.

    Since you seem to be an Obama supporter you must know of some of his plans and initiates. I'm sure you don't need a debate to be informed. So let's hear them.
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  • Gonzo1977
    Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    mammasan wrote:
    Who said he was my boy. I'm a Ron Paul supporter my friend. I refuse to support Obama or McCain. Neither candidate has shown me that they are anything more than your average run of the mill hack politician.

    Since you seem to be an Obama supporter you must know of some of his plans and initiates. I'm sure you don't need a debate to be informed. So let's hear them.

    There's this website I found that you obviously haven't heard of:

    http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

    There's some issues on there.

    Ron Paul...Hmmm....The Ross Perot of 2008

    Actually I take that back...He's far less evil than McCain.

    I Don't mean to knock your horse...Good Luck in November.

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