Ron Paul '90s newsletters rant against blacks, gays

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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    ... a blemish which the man (who has been honest in EVERYTHING he has ever said publicly) denies to be his own words.


    How is it being honest if he is denying it now, but justifying it in 1996? Was he lying then or now?
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    sweetpotato wrote:
    answer my question, then i'll answer yours. where have i been "irrational"?

    You're being irrational because you're zooming in on specific details and holding them up like the universe itself, when you need to be looking at it all from a wider angle.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    So no one has ever answered my question, did Paul never actually read his own newsletter?

    Surely his life can't be that busy.

    And if he did read his own newsletter, why wasn't just a one time thing and not a series of newsletters that sometimes contained questionable content.

    Like I said earlier if he actually read his newsletter and saw the first questionable article, why didn't he put a stop to it. And if there was a second questionable article, why didn't he just pull his name from it.

    I'm just asking if any of you had a newsletter with your name on it that was sponsored by you, wouldn't you at least take the time to read it?
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    my2hands wrote:



    I ASK AGAIN>>> WHAT WOULD ALL OF YOU RP SUPPORTERS BE SAYING IF THESE NEWSLETTERS WERE BUSH'S OR ROMNEY'S, OR HUCKABEE'S?

    YOU WOULD BE RIPPING THEM A NEW ASS... JUST AS I WOULD...


    If they had Dr Paul's message??? what am I missing here? Even if it was proven beyond a doubt that he typed the words himself, I'd overlook it all in favor of the bigger picture of what he/they are actually trying to accomplish.

    I'd also look at their track record as a huge indicator.

    Weigh it out, and see what matters most. A couple of paragraphs of misguided text from some newsletter or the entire message itself.

    hmm
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    blackredyellow wrote:
    How is it being honest if he is denying it now, but justifying it in 1996? Was he lying then or now?

    My guess is he was protecting a friends life then, when the fire was raging, and telling the truth now.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:


    In FACT, MOST supporters over on the board were just WAITING for this bullshit to start flying. it is the ONLY thing they have on him and they are flinging the shit despereately!

    Yep. i think you're right. i've reassessed the situation and determined this is nothing more than a "desparate" last ditch effort to slow down Ron Paul who was obviously running away with the election up to this point. i mean, wtf, he pretty much had the nomination all locked up until this blatant nonsense. Poor guy.

    sheesh
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • Thecure
    Thecure Posts: 814
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    If you work at a restaurant (or anywhere for that matter) full time as the head cook (or manager etc), and you decide to go back to school full time, and someone burns the fries (fucks up a few times etc) while you're busy writing exams or attending classes, does that mean it's your fault, and never fit to work again?

    There's only 24 hours in a day. How much free time do you think a full time doctor has?

    I'm an exceptional judge of character, and I can say with full confidence Ron Paul does not have a mean bone in his body.

    hey Roland, some times i disagree with you and sometimes a agree with you but i can't agree with what you just wrote. to begin with, your first point about burning fries is just plain dumb. there is a little difference between someone burning fries with a job because you are not there anymore and having a person writing racist comments that have you name on teh newsletter. do you see the difference, with your name on the newsletter you own that newsletter, if you were busy then take your name off the newsletter. while unless you are the owner of that store (or whatever) it is not your job to care abotu teh person working the fries section.

    Secondly, who has stated that he should never work again. soem are just saying that maybe he should not be president.

    Finally, how can you say that RP does not have a mean bone is his body, have you spent all your time with him, i understand that you like him but don't make it out to be a saint.
    People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Dr Paul addressing the newsletter issue.

    part 1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6rxts0-f9w

    part 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82CYNV0U_kg

    .
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Thecure wrote:
    Finally, how can you say that RP does not have a mean bone is his body, have you spent all your time with him, i understand that you like him but don't make it out to be a saint.

    That annoys me with the Paul supporters. I do think Ron Paul is a decent guy, and even with these comments, I tend to believe that he may not be a racist, but just made some stereotypical comments. I like this thread/debate because it seems to fall into a "cover-up is greater than the crime" situation.

    I think he has admirable ideas for government and all that stuff, but the extreme supporters of his make him out to be some sort of god, and that probably turns more people away from him then supporters attract.
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Thecure wrote:
    hey Roland, some times i disagree with you and sometimes a agree with you but i can't agree with what you just wrote. to begin with, your first point about burning fries is just plain dumb. there is a little difference between someone burning fries with a job because you are not there anymore and having a person writing racist comments that have you name on teh newsletter. do you see the difference, with your name on the newsletter you own that newsletter, if you were busy then take your name off the newsletter. while unless you are the owner of that store (or whatever) it is not your job to care abotu teh person working the fries section.

    Secondly, who has stated that he should never work again. soem are just saying that maybe he should not be president.

    Finally, how can you say that RP does not have a mean bone is his body, have you spent all your time with him, i understand that you like him but don't make it out to be a saint.

    You have to think around the issue a bit, I wasn't going to spend a lot of time making up some ultra precise analogy. The gist of it is there.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    blackredyellow wrote:
    That annoys me with the Paul supporters. I do think Ron Paul is a decent guy, and even with these comments, I tend to believe that he may not be a racist, but just made some stereotypical comments. I like this thread/debate because it seems to fall into a "cover-up is greater than the crime" situation.

    I think he has admirable ideas for government and all that stuff, but the extreme supporters of his make him out to be some sort of god, and that probably turns more people away from him then supporters attract.

    No that's not it. I think you're missing the message in general, and perhaps negating his supporters because you don't agree with what RP is ultimately saying.

    What about his message do you think is so distasteful?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Thecure
    Thecure Posts: 814
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    You have to think around the issue a bit, I wasn't going to spend a lot of time making up some ultra precise analogy. The gist of it is there.

    i am sorry but the analogy is not even close the major issue is that his name was on the newsletter.

    i have no problem with RP (i don't know him) but what is the problem with saying he made a mistake.
    People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
    - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

    If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
    - Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Thecure wrote:
    i am sorry but the analogy is not even close the major issue is that his name was on the newsletter.

    i have no problem with RP (i don't know him) but what is the problem with saying he made a mistake.

    watch...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82CYNV0U_kg
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    This is what I posted in another thread here about the subject:

    Here's the thing about Paul's newsletter..............when I first heard about it, I was under the impression that it was one entry, written by a ghost writer. Even though I disagree with Paul on a lot of issues (except the war, he was great on that issue last night, btw), I have heard him speak and do not feel he was or is a racist. I accepted the 'ghost writer' explanation. But, now there are more and more excerpts from his newsletter coming out and this newsletter spans, what 20 years? If I accept that a ghost writer did indeed write all of this, it was still under Paul's name and it went unnoticed for all these years? It is incompetence at best. And why did Paul refuse to release all his newsletters once this was out? I don't think he should get a pass and be free of the suspicions and criticism. Any other politician (or almost any public figure) would be subjected to the same thing.
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    but the illusion of knowledge.
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    ~Albert Einstein
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    No that's not it. I think you're missing the message in general, and perhaps negating his supporters because you don't agree with what RP is ultimately saying.

    What about his message do you think is so distasteful?

    I'm not missing his message and I didn't say that his message was distasteful, in fact I agree with a lot of his positions. I do however think that electing him would cause a bigger clusterfuck in the federal gov't there there is now, because if he sticks to his guns, he will veto most of what congress does, and congress won't go along just about everything he proposes. All I can think if is Admiral Stockdale's "...this nation is in gridlock"

    What I am saying, is that his vocal supporters are making him out to be some sort of god, and that is annoying and a turn off to most people.
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    blackredyellow wrote:
    I'm not missing his message and I didn't say that his message was distasteful, in fact I agree with a lot of his positions. I do however think that electing him would cause a bigger clusterfuck in the federal gov't there there is now, because if he sticks to his guns, he will veto most of what congress does, and congress won't go along just about everything he proposes. All I can think if is Admiral Stockdale's "...this nation is in gridlock"

    What I am saying, is that his vocal supporters are making him out to be some sort of god, and that is annoying and a turn off to most people.

    On the current trend, I think the US govt is going to spend the country into oblivion, and make a lot more enemies around the world in the process.

    A lot of RP's supporters are fed up with the current situation of government, and that comes through. After all, it is a revolutionary perspective. Every new generation brings with it a revolution in one way shape or form.

    If Kucinich's supporters had the same fire and passion for their candidate he'd be a lot further along then he is now. I think his campaign and supporters have been too passive, and that why it's not gotten more attention .
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Solat13 wrote:
    So no one has ever answered my question, did Paul never actually read his own newsletter?

    Surely his life can't be that busy.

    And if he did read his own newsletter, why wasn't just a one time thing and not a series of newsletters that sometimes contained questionable content.

    Like I said earlier if he actually read his newsletter and saw the first questionable article, why didn't he put a stop to it. And if there was a second questionable article, why didn't he just pull his name from it.

    I'm just asking if any of you had a newsletter with your name on it that was sponsored by you, wouldn't you at least take the time to read it?


    seems pretty simple to me... but what the hell do i know...

    i am being mislead by propaganda like a grazing sheep to slaughter :rolleyes:
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    my2hands wrote:
    seems pretty simple to me... but what the hell do i know...

    i am being mislead by propaganda like a grazing sheep to slaughter :rolleyes:


    If you let television inform you on what is going on...yes you are.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    my2hands wrote:
    seems pretty simple to me... but what the hell do i know...

    i am being mislead by propaganda like a grazing sheep to slaughter :rolleyes:

    Yep, seems like a simple question to me as well. But then again I was never going to vote for him. I can't vote for someone who doesn't believe in evolution.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Thecure
    Thecure Posts: 814
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    If you let television inform you on what is going on...yes you are.

    and where do you get your information? let me guess the good TV
    People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
    - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

    If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
    - Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)

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