why the disrespect?

onelongsong · July 2006

decides2dream wrote:

few different thread topics, recently and not so recently got me thinking: why do so many choose to be disrespectful when expressing their opinions/thoughts? why does one feel the need to be outright rude when expressing their opinion?

sure, to me it is evident enough if you say..."i don't believe in or agree with X" and give valide reasons why you think/believe as you do, people get the general idea and thus it seems rather unnecessary to continue on to actually insult said thing, that X is a fairytale, one must be ignorant to believe, you're a fool to believe, why do you visit here, comments on the poster rather than the actual post, etc. i don't know, i have seen this with a few topics...religion obviously, abortion rights, homosexual rights, marriage, the whole 'fuck 'em' debate, etc. why does it seem some choose to be insulting rather than merely informative/clear in expressing their views? personally, i find the rudeness/negativity actually hinders and undermines many an otherwise valid opinion/arguement.

merely curious...

i wonder about this all the time. i thought we were here to present our views; listen to others' views; and make a decision based on the discussion. many times my views were changed by listening to others opinions. lately; i can't post an opinion without someone (usually a canadian) mouthing off.
i guess it makes the poster feel big and strong. maybe it's a superiority complex; or the need to control. whatever the reason; i think it ruins the original purpose and integrity of the board.

decides2dream · July 2006

dotheevolution1 wrote:

their (rude/disrespectful people's) ignorance entertains me They can be quite funny.

actually, many of the rude/disrespectful i do NOT consider ignorant, although sure i imagine some may be....just merely rude/disrespectful. probably why it saddens me even moreso. that an intelligent member of society still feels the need to belittle/behave rudely...it's a purposeful choice on many occasions imho. actually, i think the MT forum manages to behave more civilly than others here, although of course this particular forum is not immune...and thus why i questioned it here. but many an innocuous thread and/or post....personal attacks reign supreme. sad that one may start a thread with the term "discuss"...when in actuality what they really want is "agree with me or feel my wrath." rather pointless and petty.

onelongsong wrote:

i wonder about this all the time. i thought we were here to present our views; listen to others' views; and make a decision based on the discussion. many times my views were changed by listening to others opinions. lately; i can't post an opinion without someone (usually a canadian) mouthing off.
i guess it makes the poster feel big and strong. maybe it's a superiority complex; or the need to control. whatever the reason; i think it ruins the original purpose and integrity of the board.

absolutely.

just goes to show, in reality or in cyberspace...bullies will be bullies. perhaps too, the anonimity and relative safety turns someone into a bully who normally would not behave as such. internet culture fascinates me, and while i think there are many who choose to be as they would in reality, or err on the side of kindness....seems such an environment as this invites others to embrace their base/crude/mean-spirited natures. interesting if nothing else.

Number 18 · July 2006

You know it's funny. I work with a guy and we are both in financial systems and controls. He is about as far right as you can get. I tend to be a conservative liberal. We get into debates all the time. But we both fundamentally respect each other because we both respect each other's opinions and don't get personal with it.

eddies grrl · July 2006

i still say that if we weren't hiding behind our computer screens, we'd be much more considerate of each other. it's alot harder to be obnoxious to someone if there's a chance they'll punch you in the nose as a result.

decides2dream · July 2006

*bump*

after seeing this:

Closed for personal attacks.

Discuss the ISSUE please...without the sniping at each other. Posting privileges are at risk.

Admin

on 4 or 5 threads in this forum alone today...and just lots of nastiness elsewhere...makes me wonder what's going on in these forums...and seemed a good question to consider again.

can't we ALL express our point of view, withOUT getting disrespectful? it's a far more effictive debate device, and your point is taken that much more seriously.

just a thought...

RockinInCanada · July 2006

I'm sorry but after awhile of trying to debate your opinion with someone and then just b/c the other person does not agree with you...I get labelled a Nazi...then the same person has the nerve to PM (after I PM'd him to challenge them to find a Nazi-like comment I never made) me back to say I obviously dont believe Israel is a country (WHAT B/C I DIAGREE WITH THEIR ACTIONS AND I GET CALLED INTOLERANT YET THEY SUPPORT KILLING???????)...its Bs and sorry sometimes you gotta hit back...Im erious there is a limit...I can discuss with many on here who do not hold my opinion just fine...then there are a few that instantly label you name...IMHO they should be banned for that type of crap....Im tired of being called intolerant because I try to stay neutral in this mess and yet I still get slandered....its become a sick place when people label you as a Nazi philospher....and Nakedeye66 I still hold you to that challenge....

farfromglorified · July 2006

decides2dream wrote:

*bump*

after seeing this:

Closed for personal attacks.

Discuss the ISSUE please...without the sniping at each other. Posting privileges are at risk.

Admin

on 4 or 5 threads in this forum alone today...and just lots of nastiness elsewhere...makes me wonder what's going on in these forums...and seemed a good question to consider again.

can't we ALL express our point of view, withOUT getting disrespectful? it's a far more effictive debate device, and your point is taken that much more seriously.

just a thought...

The effects of war reach farther than just the battlefield. Yet another reason to reject all who live by the rule of the gun. Force and violence are airborn diseases.

JaneNY · July 2006

decides2dream wrote:

actually, many of the rude/disrespectful i do NOT consider ignorant, although sure i imagine some may be....just merely rude/disrespectful. probably why it saddens me even moreso. that an intelligent member of society still feels the need to belittle/behave rudely...it's a purposeful choice on many occasions imho.

I think they do it as an attempt to intimidate the person taking the other point of view into shutting up, basically.

giveblood · July 2006

Hmmm ... I think I can agree with the basic points in this thread, but some of the posts sound a tad sanctimonious. I mean, at the risk of making excuses ... Well-intentioned, educated, intelligent people make mistakes and lose their tempers. Who is perfect? This place is very inflammatory recently, and people get goaded. I am not one of those people who thinks that provocation is a good legal defense, but damn. Sometimes you blow your lid, and then you feel REALLY stupid about it, to the point where you worry about your reputation on here being irrevocably damaged.
And people have mentioned the "old conservatives" who didn't used to get personal. Yeah, those people are awesome. But there's a "new breed" of so-called liberal too, some bigoted and provocative stuff gets posted that fuels the fire. Makes me like the people like Abuskedti and El Kabong all the more.

MCG · July 2006

decides2dream wrote:

few different thread topics, recently and not so recently got me thinking: why do so many choose to be disrespectful when expressing their opinions/thoughts? why does one feel the need to be outright rude when expressing their opinion?

sure, to me it is evident enough if you say..."i don't believe in or agree with X" and give valide reasons why you think/believe as you do, people get the general idea and thus it seems rather unnecessary to continue on to actually insult said thing, that X is a fairytale, one must be ignorant to believe, you're a fool to believe, why do you visit here, comments on the poster rather than the actual post, etc. i don't know, i have seen this with a few topics...religion obviously, abortion rights, homosexual rights, marriage, the whole 'fuck 'em' debate, etc. why does it seem some choose to be insulting rather than merely informative/clear in expressing their views? personally, i find the rudeness/negativity actually hinders and undermines many an otherwise valid opinion/arguement.

merely curious...

It always starts off small and grows. Usually somebody feels strongly about something and when someone posts the opposite they get upset and post out of emotion instead of though. Also, some people just like being right and having the last word.

rarghrargh-brownstar · August 2006

*bump*

:d

callen · August 2006

and after flaming I felt pretty immature about it and realized I gained nothing........
why?...release of frustrations, ability to tell someone who you think just doesn't have a clue..that they don't have a clue.....hard to walk up to a freind and tell them they're full of shit...easy to do in message board. And hey when Politics and Religion come up.....heat goes up....

why the disrespect?

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