Ahmadinejad unwavering @ Columbia -- "We don't have homosexuals"

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  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    im sure Mr. Bush isnt shedding any tears about not being back to Ireland ...........
    :D doubtful... since he's been a prick to us since the beginning. We don't want him here either. The only other time he was here... the media got pictures of him in his vest :D they tried to shut the media up too... didn't happen :D

    Ireland hasn't been a good country for him :)
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,887
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    :D doubtful... since he's been a prick to us since the beginning. We don't want him here either. The only other time he was here... the media got pictures of him in his vest :D they tried to shut the media up too... didn't happen :D

    Ireland hasn't been a good country for him :)

    in his vest???

    i dont get it.....
    Take me piece by piece.....
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  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    im sure Mr. Bush isnt shedding any tears about not being back to Ireland ...........

    "Mr. Bush" hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha
  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    in his vest???

    i dont get it.....
    His vest... on the balcony in the castle he was staying in :rolleyes:

    basically his underwear :D he didn't like it. Nobody else liked it either but oh how we all laughed :D
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,887
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    His vest... on the balcony in the castle he was staying in :rolleyes:

    basically his underwear :D he didn't like it. Nobody else liked it either but oh how we all laughed :D


    like i said....

    im sure he wasnt too impressed with ireland.............
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    like i said....

    im sure he wasnt too impressed with ireland.............
    :D well why would he be? He wasn't supposed to be... we weren't giving him an opportunity to try and get Irish american votes. We certainly didn't extend our traditional welcome to the prick :)

    http://www.spinwatch.org/content/view/3185/8/
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    It amazes me that the Iranian President is demonized by the American media and the President of Columbia University. It seems so easy to do with it fits a particular agenda, a precursor to war. Ahmadinejad is just a figure head in Iran, he has no political power unlike Mr. Bush and all his Executive privileges and wanting more just short of dictatorship. It's like the Queen in England, she has no political power, just someone with their picture on the pound.

    We don't after the real power brokers in Iran because Ahmadinejad is such an easy target to demonize sort of like how we did with Saddam. Makes it more convienient to go in and Bomb a few more million people and he's awarded the title of the "little dictator" if that's the case we certainly have "Big/huge dictator" right here in this country.

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  • darthvedder81
    darthvedder81 Posts: 688
    g under p wrote:
    It amazes me that the Iranian President is demonized by the American media and the President of Columbia University. It seems so easy to do with it fits a particular agenda, a precursor to war. Ahmadinejad is just a figure head in Iran, he has no political power unlike Mr. Bush and all his Executive privileges and wanting more just short of dictatorship. It's like the Queen in England, she has no political power, just someone with their picture on the pound.

    We don't after the real power brokers in Iran because Ahmadinejad is such an easy target to demonize sort of like how we did with Saddam. Makes it more convienient to go in and Bomb a few more million people and he's awarded the title of the "little dictator" if that's the case we certainly have "Big/huge dictator" right here in this country.

    Peace

    Oh please. How is our President a dictator? Has he sent people into your home? Or given you orders and ultimatums that are punishable with death if not obeyed? Give me some tangible examples, not frothing leftist hyperbole.

    Incredible how the left will follow anything or anybody right off the cliff in the name of "tolerance". It's their only virtue even in the face of evil bastards like Ahmadinejad.
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    darthvedder81 wrote:
    Oh please. How is our President a dictator? Has he sent people into your home? Or given you orders and ultimatums that are punishable with death if not obeyed? Give me some tangible examples, not frothing leftist hyperbole.

    Incredible how the left will follow anything or anybody right off the cliff in the name of "tolerance". It's their only virtue even in the face of evil bastards like Ahmadinejad.

    He's done basically the same thing just in a more subtle way. If he was just as obvious as Ahmadinejad the American people would or should rise up against him. However as it is we softly sit by and let him rule as more amd more of our rights fall by the wayside just in the this war on terror.

    Rights we'll never see coming back anytime soon no matter who's the next President.

    Peace
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    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    darthvedder81 wrote:
    Oh please. How is our President a dictator? Has he sent people into your home?
    Does it have to be his home, or will any homes do?
    darthvedder81 wrote:
    Or given you orders and ultimatums that are punishable with death if not obeyed?
    Well, he does support capital punishment. Sure, it's not as extreme as Iran's capital punishment, but it's still State Ordered Death (albeit it's slightly more "liberal" in the U.S. - slightly more "left wing").

    darthvedder81 wrote:
    Incredible how the left will follow anything or anybody right off the cliff in the name of "tolerance". It's their only virtue even in the face of evil bastards like Ahmadinejad.
    Not wanting to invade a country because their puppet leader thinks we're all evil or something does not necessarily translate into undying - cliff jumping support for said puppet leader. It simply means that we see no reason to invade their country.
  • PearlsGirl
    PearlsGirl Posts: 257
    Tom K wrote:
    Bollinger's opening remarks are disgusting.

    I agree with you. There was no reason for Bollinger to make such comments about Ahmadinejad, especially after he himself and his university invited the Iranian president to come speak. It is an educational insitution, and because of that reason, he should of kept an open mind and seen Ahmadinejad as a fellow professor. To be honest, I loved the speech, it was focused on education (truely appropriate), and although Ahmadinejad was bull shitting and making Iran sound so much better than what it really is, it was amazing. When do we here in America get to hear one of our greatest enemies speak to us in such a calm manner? He was prepared to do what he does best, teach. I have much more respect for him after hearing him speak. Maybe Bollinger should learn a thing or two from him.
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  • dg1979us
    dg1979us Posts: 568
    PearlsGirl wrote:
    I agree with you. There was no reason for Bollinger to make such comments about Ahmadinejad, especially after he himself and his university invited the Iranian president to come speak. It is an educational insitution, and because of that reason, he should of kept an open mind and seen Ahmadinejad as a fellow professor. To be honest, I loved the speech, it was focused on education (truely appropriate), and although Ahmadinejad was bull shitting and making Iran sound so much better than what it really is, it was amazing. When do we here in America get to hear one of our greatest enemies speak to us in such a calm manner? He was prepared to do what he does best, teach. I have much more respect for him after hearing him speak. Maybe Bollinger should learn a thing or two from him.


    Just curious, as I didnt see the speech, and have only read bits and pieces. But how do you have more respect for him after that speech, though you admit he was bullshitting? I can kind of see having an issue with Bollinger's approach, but I cant possibly see how you have more respect for a guy that you admit was bullshitting.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    In a speech at Columbia University, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
    defended Iran's right to nuclear power but denied Iran was seeking to build
    nuclear weapons. Ahmadinejad's appearance sparked widespread protests at
    Columbia. We speak with Trita Parsi, author of "Treacherous Alliance: The
    Secret Dealings of Israel, Iran and the United States" and Baruch professor
    Ervand Abrahamian, co-author of "Targeting Iran."

    Listen/Watch/Read about
    Ahmadinejad's speech
    AMY GOODMAN: Does this remind you of Saddam Hussein before the war?

    ERVAND ABRAHAMIAN: It does. In fact, Ahmadinejad didn't say it last night -- yesterday, but his policy is that there is no likelihood of war, because no one in their right senses would think of invading or attacking Iran. And that's the premise he works on, which is, I think, a completely wrong premise, because he doesn't seem to understand American politics, the same people who gave us the war on Iraq, the same people who are running foreign policy now. But he begins from the premise that no one in their right senses would think of attacking Iran.


    Something of a must read.

    Peace
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    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • PearlsGirl
    PearlsGirl Posts: 257
    dg1979us wrote:
    Just curious, as I didnt see the speech, and have only read bits and pieces. But how do you have more respect for him after that speech, though you admit he was bullshitting? I can kind of see having an issue with Bollinger's approach, but I cant possibly see how you have more respect for a guy that you admit was bullshitting.

    Because of the way he presented himself after being bashed. It is truely rare to see a politician take on criticism the way he took it. He didn't get angry, but let it slide and go on to give his speech. I haven't seen someone give a speech so well in a while, I believe the last one was probably.... President Clinton? Maybe even Musharaff. These people are extremely passionate about what they do - this makes them people pleasers. Reagan was a people pleaser, he got away with so much, it was pretty disgusting.
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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    It's amazing how a university dean like Bollinger would misquote Ahmadinejad even after talking of how he supports getting the "correct information."

    Also, Ahmadinejad raises a good point. If everyone is talking about supporting freedom of speech in the west, why are people getting locked up for questioning or asking more research about the holocaust?

    I also really appreciate such a big political figurehead talking about the palestinians like that. it's about time someone did it.

    also, someone here said "does bush send people into your homes?"

    actually, yes he does. not directly from him, but this government has been sending fbi agents into thousands of innocent people's homes, especially since 9/11, and arresting them and taking them to jail for years. Also, look at Guantanamo because that is certainly not the work of a democratic leader.

    Also, I'm really getting annoyed and pissed off about people outright saying "Iran is searching for nuclear weapons" when there is clearly no proof of such a thing. Another thing that's annoying is people talking about Iran executing like 200 people this year. Not saying I support this if it were true, but can we take a look at our own countries' problems before demonizing another country? How much blood is on our countries' hands? How many innocent people are sent to death row each year? How many innocent people have been arrested and held in jail for years--sometimes life?

    Our country has done far worse things in a year, than Iran has done in 25 years. Tell me-- who is the real "Hitler?" A guy who sends billions of dollars to a country that has been killing for 60 years, who sends army into other countries killing well over 100,000 people and imprisoning so many people? Or a guy who just gets up and speaks about what he thinks-- maybe questioning a couple things.

    Wow, this post was much longer than I thought it would be.
  • dg1979us
    dg1979us Posts: 568
    PearlsGirl wrote:
    Because of the way he presented himself after being bashed. It is truely rare to see a politician take on criticism the way he took it. He didn't get angry, but let it slide and go on to give his speech. I haven't seen someone give a speech so well in a while, I believe the last one was probably.... President Clinton? Maybe even Musharaff. These people are extremely passionate about what they do - this makes them people pleasers. Reagan was a people pleaser, he got away with so much, it was pretty disgusting.


    He may have taken on criticism well, but he also fed us a bunch of crap. Im sorry, we must have different standards when it comes to respecting politicians and leaders. But to each their own.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    spiral out wrote:
    I couldn't agree more with you, as far as i can see he has said nothing wrong, but then some of us have actually taken the time to read his entire speech and not just belived the twisted media propaganda.


    come on...he didnt say it YESTERDAY...but has said it many other times in the past. this country would be amazed to learn of all the things he says over in iran that never get any play over here...we should have arrested his ass as soon as he got off the plan.

    on another note---it was wonderfull to see him get laughed at on stage! probably the first time that's happened to him. what a fraud.
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    The Jeagler wrote:
    come on...he didnt say it YESTERDAY...but has said it many other times in the past. this country would be amazed to learn of all the things he says over in iran that never get any play over here...we should have arrested his ass as soon as he got off the plan.

    on another note---it was wonderfull to see him get laughed at on stage! probably the first time that's happened to him. what a fraud.

    what do you really know of iran?
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Dirtie_Frank wrote:
    No matter what I am just glad they did not let this person visit ground zero

    Why? Last time I checked Saudi royals have visited the site and the Saudi government funds and supports the religious schools that indoctrinate the radicals that carry out attacks like 9/11. Also I don't remember any Iranians on the list of 19 hijackers from 9/11.
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    spiral out wrote:
    I couldn't agree more with you, as far as i can see he has said nothing wrong, but then some of us have actually taken the time to read his entire speech and not just belived the twisted media propaganda.
    When a guy says things like "Women in Iran enjoy the highest levels of freedom," and "In Iran, we don't have homosexuals, like in your country," that doesn't exactly motivate me to spend time digging for his other pearls of wisdom. He's clearly nothing more than a propagandist (as are most world leaders) and his words mean little to me.
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