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How U.S. Weapons Manufacturers Profit From Middle East Conflict

El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
edited July 2006 in A Moving Train
from Democracy Now, an mp3 of the segment is here
http://ia301213.us.archive.org/2/items/dn2006-0721/dn2006-0721-1_64kb.mp3


Juan Gonsalez: Much has been made of the Syrian and Iranian origin of weaponry used by Hezbollah but there has been little discussion of where Israel's weapons come from. A new report by the World Policy Institute examines how the United States provides billions of dollars of military aid to Israel each year and how their current arsenal is composed of U.S made equipment

Frida Berrigan is a Senior Research Associate with the Arms Trade Resource Center at the World Policy Institute. She is co-author of the report.

AMY GOODMAN: One of the authors of the report joins us now, Frida Berrigan. Shes Senior Research Associate with the Arms Trade Resource Center at the World Policy Institute. Welcome to Democracy Now!

FRIDA BERRIGAN: Thank you.

AMY GOODMAN: Well, tell us what are the weapons being used? Did you also look at where the weapons that Hezbollah is using comes from?

FRIDA BERRIGAN: Sure. Almost all of the weapons used by Israel are from the United States. There might be a couple French fighter planes that theyre using, but its F-16s made in Fort Worth, Texas; its Apache helicopters; its Sparrow and Sidewinder missiles; its all from the United States. So you have this real disconnect between an overemphasis on the supply by Iran and Syria of Hezbollah's weapons and no discussion of the fact that all of the Israeli arsenal is from the United States, and that that is in contravention to U.S. law. to the Arms Export Control Act, which says that U.S.-origin weapons are only to be used for self-defense and for internal security.

JUAN GONZALEZ: And your report indicates that Israel has always been the largest recipient of military aid from the United States, but that thats actually increased since 2001?

FRIDA BERRIGAN: Were looking at incredible increases in U.S. military aid and weapons sales to Israel. Military aid stands at about $3 billion a year. Thats about $500 for every Israeli citizen that the United States provides on an annual basis. And then, weapons sales, most recently, since the Bush administration came into power, were looking at $6.3 billion worth of weaponry sold to Israel.

Israel's relationship with the United States is unique in a number of ways. And one of those ways is that essentially the United States provides 20% of the Israeli military budget on an annual basis, and then about 70% of that money that is given from the United States, from U.S. taxpayers, to Israel is then spent on weapons from Lockheed Martin and Boeing and Raytheon. Most other countries don't have that sort of cash relationship, where they go straight to U.S. corporations with U.S. money to buy weapons that are then used in the Occupied Territories and against Lebanon.

AMY GOODMAN: What kind of leverage does the U.S. money, the U.S. aid for Israel provide?

FRIDA BERRIGAN: Well, when youre talking about 20% of the Israeli military budget, youre talking about a huge fulcrum of leverage, right? The United States could today say, you know, This incursion into Lebanon, the killing of civilians, the bombing in Gaza, all of this is not internal security, all of this is not self-defense, and were cutting it off. And they could cut it off tomorrow. And that would essentially not only send an incredibly strong message to the Israeli military, but it would remove the tools of the occupation, the tools of the bloodshed and the suffering thats happening in Lebanon and in Gaza.

It was interesting to sort of place the very weak statements that have come from the administration -- Oh, there should be -- you know, they have said things, like They should practice restraint, and stuff like that. Meanwhile, just on the 14th, the United States decided to sell $120 million worth of jet fuel to the Israeli military. The little notice that announced the sale from the Defense Security Cooperation Agency said, This fuel will be used to promote peace and security in the region. And then, meanwhile, you have jets strafing villages, bombing civilians, taking out bridges, destroying water treatment plants. So the United States could decide and would have a very strong case and a historic precedent for deciding to cut military aid.

AMY GOODMAN: Whats the precedent?

FRIDA BERRIGAN: In 1981, the last time there was a full-on invasion by the Israeli government into Lebanon, the Reagan administration cut military aid and froze weapons sales to Israel, while it did an investigation of whether or not the weapons were being used for self-defensive and internal security purposes. So for ten weeks in 1981, nothing went into Israel. Now, at the end of that ten weeks, they said, Oh, well, you could argue til eternity about what constitutes defensive use of weapons. But under the Reagan administration, while Alexander Hague was the Secretary of State, we did cut off weapons sales and military aid. And we certainly haven't done that since. And when we look at how the conflict and the war continues to unfold with so many civilians being killed and this bare use of force and power by the Israeli military, it seems like its time to explore that option again.

JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, one of the things thats gotten a lot of attention in recent days have been the missiles fired by Hezbollah into Israel. But I see by your report that to some degree the Hezbollah missiles might also almost be seen as a self-defense measure, because you have here a thousand Redeye missiles that Israel has, surface-to-air missiles, 400 Stinger man-portable air defense missiles, 444 Harpoon missiles. So Israel has quite an extensive missile arsenal of its own.

FRIDA BERRIGAN: Right, were talking about one of the strongest militaries in the world going up against basically the defenseless Lebanese, and then a, you know, not very well armed Hezbollah. There was an article in the newspaper yesterday that quoted Israeli defense officials, who said, Maybe 900 Hezbollah missiles have hit Israeli territory. Thats 900 missiles, and probably 30 Israeli civilians have been killed. So theyre obviously not very effective weapons. They do get weapons from Syria, from Iran. They manufacture their own weapons. But --

AMY GOODMAN: Youre talking about the New York Times quoting the Fajr-3 from Syria?

FRIDA BERRIGAN: Right, yeah. There was an article in the Times, I think on Monday, about Iranian missiles being used by Hezbollah, and they pulled Syria in, too, because Syria was producing an Iranian model missile and then had transferred it to Hezbollah. So, but the missiles haven't been very effective, and they cant -- the range is between 30 and 45 miles.

AMY GOODMAN: You talk about, Frida Berrigan, the U.S. government supporting the Israeli government and military. But this kind of weapons relationship also is a great boon to the U.S. weapons manufacturers. Can you talk about the relationship the U.S. has with these weapons manufacturers and name them?

FRIDA BERRIGAN: Sure. Well, the largest weapons manufacturer in this country is Lockheed Martin. Its based in Texas. And it manufactures the F-16 fighter plane, all manner of missiles. It manufactures the C-130, which is a huge transport plane. Its the biggest weapons manufacturer in the world.

Lockheed Martin and the Israeli military recently went into business together, co-producing a version of the F-16 fighter plane called the Sufa, which means storm in Hebrew. Its built partially outside of Tel Aviv, and then the final work is done in Ft. Worth, Texas. Its a $4 billion deal with the Israeli military. For the first time, an Israeli military company is contributing in its manufacturing the avionics of the plane. So theres this -- its almost this supranational relationship between Lockheed Martin and the Israeli defense industry. Its a kind of relationship that weapons corporations in this country would like to see with other countries, where they work directly with -- they sort of transcend government and work directly with the manufacturers of weapons in other countries.

Another major corporation -- you mentioned the missiles -- is Raytheon, which is based in Massachusetts. They manufacture the Tomahawk missile, the Sidewinder, a number of other high-tech missiles that Israel has in its arsenal. These missiles have very sophisticated targeting components -- heat-seeking, theyre interfaced with GPS for very targeted attacks.

Boeing is another major corporation. They manufacture all sorts of planes: the F-18 fighter plane, the F-14. So you have maybe ten weapons corporations in this country that have a stake in -- essentially in Israel using its military arsenal so that it can be replenished again. And the great thing about this relationship with Israel is, Israel doesnt have to pay for it itself. It comes directly from U.S. taxpayers in the form of foreign military financing, which is transferred to Israel, and then turns right back around and goes to Lockheed Martin or Raytheon.

JUAN GONZALEZ: And as we can see by the votes in Congress this week, both in the House and Senate, supporting the current military actions of Israel, there doesn't seem to be much opposition in Congress to this kind of a continued arms support from the United States for Israel.

FRIDA BERRIGAN: Right, yeah. You have complete silence, and worse than silence from the U.S. Congress. So there's got to be some way to go around Congress and hold the defense corporations, these military corporations, directly responsible for what their hardware and software is doing in Lebanon and Gaza.

AMY GOODMAN: Frida Berrigan, I want to thank you for being with us, of the World Policy Institute, just out with its report.
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    surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    And US farmers profit from 3rd world food shortages.

    So arms manufacturers make more money when people are stupid enough to use their product. And the US then derives tax income. Is this really news?

    What's your next breaking headline - Pharmaceutical Companies Profit on AIDS Epidemic
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    binauralsoundsbinauralsounds Posts: 1,357
    surferdude wrote:

    What's your next breaking headline - Pharmaceutical Companies Profit on AIDS Epidemic

    hilarious:)
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    El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    surferdude wrote:
    And US farmers profit from 3rd world food shortages.

    So arms manufacturers make more money when people are stupid enough to use their product. And the US then derives tax income. Is this really news?

    What's your next breaking headline - Pharmaceutical Companies Profit on AIDS Epidemic


    except the means...ppl profiting from feeding starving ppl is not the same as profiting from killing them.

    profiting from making a drug that saves the lives of ppl is not the same as profiting from blowing their town up.

    neither of those examples are situations that violate the Arms Export Control Act, 'which says that U.S.-origin weapons are only to be used for self-defense and for internal security.' especially when they are speeding up delivery of weapons they know full well will be used for neither of those purposes


    you see nothing wrong w/ 4/5 of our past wars being situations we helped create and our mass profit from war? kinda like letting rats loose in a store then profitng from catching them.
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
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    surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    El_Kabong wrote:
    except the means...ppl profiting from feeding starving ppl is not the same as profiting from killing them.

    profiting from making a drug that saves the lives of ppl is not the same as profiting from blowing their town up.

    you see nothing wrong w/ 4/5 of our past wars being situations we helped create and our mass profit from war? kinda like letting rats loose in a store then profitng from catching them.
    Personally I find it much more morally repugnant to profit from starving people or people dieing of treatable diseases.

    If two countries are stupid enough to want to blow the shit out of each other then they're already operating in a moral abyss. So I really don't care if someone profits on it. I personally wouldn't work for an arms manufacturer but got nothing against them either.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
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    El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    surferdude wrote:
    Personally I find it much more morally repugnant to profit from starving people or people dieing of treatable diseases.

    If two countries are stupid enough to want to blow the shit out of each other then they're already operating in a moral abyss. So I really don't care if someone profits on it. I personally wouldn't work for an arms manufacturer but got nothing against them either.

    i don't see it as simplistic as '2 countries wanting to blow the shit out of each other...' i don't think the ppl of those countries want that at all. i think we arm the majority of the world then we have to go blow them up b/c having those arms make them a threat to us and the world (wink, wink)

    certain ppl making a living setting up policy they will later profit from and in the end do nothing but destabilize.

    and of course, it is sad ppl have to profit to help ppl w/ diseases, that's why i think drug companies are wrong for tying the patent up in court for many years to prevent cheaper generics from being made (even up to the point of recouping hte development cost would be better than milking as much as you can)
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
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    polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    surferdude wrote:
    Personally I find it much more morally repugnant to profit from starving people or people dieing of treatable diseases.

    If two countries are stupid enough to want to blow the shit out of each other then they're already operating in a moral abyss. So I really don't care if someone profits on it. I personally wouldn't work for an arms manufacturer but got nothing against them either.

    but you aren't prepared to make that leap that arms manufacturers also manufacturer wars?? ... knowing full well that these guys make no money if there is peace in this world?

    look at who daddy bush works for and the long list of appointees - they are all war hawks or oil barons ... is it any wonder they manufactured a war in iraq?
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    surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    polaris wrote:
    but you aren't prepared to make that leap that arms manufacturers also manufacturer wars?? ... knowing full well that these guys make no money if there is peace in this world?

    look at who daddy bush works for and the long list of appointees - they are all war hawks or oil barons ... is it any wonder they manufactured a war in iraq?
    They still make plenty of money during times of peace. When was the last time China fired a rocket in war? Do you think their defence budget for arms is zero?
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    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
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    binauralsoundsbinauralsounds Posts: 1,357
    surferdude wrote:
    When was the last time China fired a rocket in war?

    Well altho they didn't fire it, a chinese made rocket was fired by hezbollah the other day.

    Those dam war profiting chinese:(

    hahahah
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    polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    surferdude wrote:
    They still make plenty of money during times of peace. When was the last time China fired a rocket in war? Do you think their defence budget for arms is zero?

    they aren't making the amount of money they are now ... in times of peace - these guys have to start running prisons and getting other gov't contracts ...

    i've not said military budgets should be zero ... but if you look at the defense spending since certain idealogies have taken power - you will see a correlation ...
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