Run down of election problems happening all over the country

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    jeffbr wrote:
    Hence the need to shore up safeguards and audit trails. But to dismiss what should be a more efficient solution just because it involves technology doesn't make sense to me. Tampering with federal election results should bring out the FBI and the Secret Service. Those transactions should be every bit as secure as financial transactions via credit card or ATM.

    Whatever happened to that guy that testified hacking the last election?
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  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    jeffbr wrote:
    So can hand counting of ballots. So can machine counting of paper ballots.

    We use ATM machines every day. We do electronic purchases with credit cards every day. Electronic voting machines are not evil. We just have to have better safeguards, better independent testing and verification, better auditing. But to write off electronic voting machines is silly in the 21st century.

    And I see ATM machines that aren't working, but I betcha 99.9% of them are working just fine!

    Folks, there always have and always will be voting issues. The problem is that the 2000 election was so close that the hair-splitting on vote-counting actually became a decision-making amount. Let's put it htis way - as of now, the link in the original post has 90 items. If there are 90 voting issues nationwide, well that's pretty damn good.
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  • evenkat
    evenkat Posts: 380
    jeffbr wrote:
    I posted my experiences with a Diebold machine in a different thread. But during the review process, each page was printed, I could see the printout behind a translucent, locked panel. Once each page was reviewed, accepted and printed, the entire ballot was cast. So the technogy certainly exists that could give us a physical printout or receipt as well.

    Yes, it can be done but they choose not too. Watch 'Hacking Democracy' on HBO. They ran a test vote using a Diebold machine. 8 people voted - 6 voted no and 2 voted yes. They all watched the paper ballots fed into the Diebold machine but the total that came out of the Diebold machine was different as it read 7 voted yes and 1 voted no. The machine had been hacked, which Diebold insisted could not be done. The receipt that is used to tally the votes is the one that is printed out from the Diebold machine and not the paper ballot. You have to wonder why they would not want to hold onto the paper ballots.
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  • MakingWaves
    MakingWaves Posts: 1,294
    fanch75 wrote:
    And I see ATM machines that aren't working, but I betcha 99.9% of them are working just fine!

    Folks, there always have and always will be voting issues. The problem is that the 2000 election was so close that the hair-splitting on vote-counting actually became a decision-making amount. Let's put it htis way - as of now, the link in the original post has 90 items. If there are 90 voting issues nationwide, well that's pretty damn good.

    I couldn't agree more. Think of all the counties in this country and if there are only 90 problems that really isn't too bad. Half of those are probably human error and aren't a reflection on the system itself.
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  • MakingWaves
    MakingWaves Posts: 1,294
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    Yeah and computers (and no I am not leading into voter fraud) never get viruses or can be hacked or any of that stuff.....cannot believe that computers can provide a 100% accurate system....there needs to be some sort of human involvement IMHO.....I prefer the old pencil and paper bit.....

    I understand what you are saying and I agree that the computers won't provide 100% accuracy. I guess nothing will as long as greedy politicians play a role.
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  • Smellyman2
    Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    Diebold's CEO, Wally O'Dell, said "I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year," in a fund-raising letter to Republicans dated August 13, 2003.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    evenkat wrote:
    Yes, it can be done but they choose not too. Watch 'Hacking Democracy' on HBO. They ran a test vote using a Diebold machine. 8 people voted - 6 voted no and 2 voted yes. They all watched the paper ballots fed into the Diebold machine but the total that came out of the Diebold machine was different as it read 7 voted yes and 1 voted no. The machine had been hacked, which Diebold insisted could not be done. The receipt that is used to tally the votes is the one that is printed out from the Diebold machine and not the paper ballot. You have to wonder why they would not want to hold onto the paper ballots.

    I'm certainly not trying to convince anyone that the system is working flawlessly right now. Clearly it isn't. I'm only suggesting that these flaws are not insurmountable, and this talk of ditching electronic voting is extremely myopic. Most of these issues could be addressed before the next election in 2 years. None of these problems is any more difficult than problems solved every day by technology companies.

    I'll suggest we're better off fixing problems with electronic voting rather than ditching it and relying on ballot judges trying to divine voter intent from hanging chads, or relying on USPS delivering mail in ballots on time with no loss, have them received and sorted and counted properly, or having polling officials collect paper ballots, batch them, give them to a driver who delivers them to some headquarters where they are misplaced in the corner of a storage room, etc... We currently have NO system which is flawless or immune from tampering. Electronic balloting has the prospect of being the most secure, accurate and efficient option if we devote enough attention and priority to it.
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  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    Well, now that the Dems have overwhelmingly won, is everyone now okay with the voting system in 2006? :D
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    fanch75 wrote:
    Well, now that the Dems have overwhelmingly won, is everyone now okay with the voting system in 2006? :D

    It's funny that all the voting 'irregularities' mentioned early in the night suddenly became "few and far between" by the end of the night. ;)


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  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    cincybearcat wrote:
    It's funny that all the voting 'irregularities' mentioned early in the night suddenly became "few and far between" by the end of the night. ;)

    lol....right!
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Wow, since there seemed to be so many voting machine problems and irregularities, and the Democrats seem to have won all of the key races, one can only assume that they cheated and rigged the machines. Right?

    ;)
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  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    It was muthafuckin' K-Fed, yo.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    know1 wrote:
    Wow, since there seemed to be so many voting machine problems and irregularities, and the Democrats seem to have won all of the key races, one can only assume that they cheated and rigged the machines. Right?

    ;)


    I guess we will see who the whiney bitches are, huh? Me thinks that the majority of Dems in this world are more liek Rush Limbaugh then they think.

    The next time I here someone claiming a GOP stolen election, I may just punch them in the face...wankers.
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  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    fanch75 wrote:
    Well, now that the Dems have overwhelmingly won, is everyone now okay with the voting system in 2006? :D



    Even though I wanted change from the con governement we had, I still think that voting problems should still be looked at and if deemed nessacary, investigated. I'm happy a change has occured, but if it's not an honest change, I'm still going to be just as disappointed and pissed off.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    cincybearcat wrote:
    It's funny that all the voting 'irregularities' mentioned early in the night suddenly became "few and far between" by the end of the night. ;)
    Ya kiddin'. The Democrats didn't take all 435 seats. That means the Republicans stole about 200 of them.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    RainDog wrote:
    Ya kiddin'. The Democrats didn't take all 435 seats. That means the Republicans stole about 200 of them.


    Great post. Made me smile...which is hard today. ;)
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  • audome25
    audome25 Posts: 163
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Great post. Made me smile...which is hard today. ;)


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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    cincybearcat wrote:
    That's cause the education in North Carolina ain't so great...don't know how to use that new fancy shiny thing.


    I reckon...;)

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