If Obama doesn't win the election
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slightofjeff wrote:How many electoral votes does Europe count for? Surely, if Obama wins Europe, it ought to be able to carry him to the White House ...
sheesh.
Right, nice response. I love how there are still people who think it doesn't matter how the rest of the world sees things. Because this country is the greatest country in the world, right? Jesus, it's like we're back in 1955. Coca Cola and James Dean, and who cares what the rest of the world thinks about our politics.San Diego 10/25/00, Mountain View 6/1/03, Santa Barbara 10/28/03, Northwest School 3/18/05, San Diego 7/7/06, Los Angeles 7/9/06, 7/10/06, Honolulu (U2) 12/9/06, Santa Barbara (EV) 4/10/08, Los Angeles (EV) 4/12/08, Hartford 6/27/08, Mansfield 6/28/08, VH1 Rock Honors The Who 7/12/08, Seattle 9/21/09, Universal City 9/30/09, 10/1/09, 10/6/09, 10/7/09, San Diego 10/9/09, Los Angeles (EV) 7/8/11, Santa Barbara (EV) 7/9/11, Chicago 7/19/13, San Diego 11/21/13, Los Angeles 11/23/13, 11/24/13, Oakland 11/26/13, Chicago 8/22/16, Missoula 8/13/18, Boston 9/2/18, Los Angeles 2/25/22 (EV), San Diego 5/3/22, Los Angeles 5/6/22, 5/7/22, Imola 6/25/22, Los Angeles 5/21/24, [London 6/29/24], [Boston 9/15/24]0 -
meistereder wrote:Right, nice response. I love how there are still people who think it doesn't matter how the rest of the world sees things. Because this country is the greatest country in the world, right? Jesus, it's like we're back in 1955. Coca Cola and James Dean, and who cares what the rest of the world thinks about our politics.
So you're saying you'd make choices based on how Europeans would perceive you? Weird. I make choices based on principle but I guess different people have different criteria."I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
meistereder wrote:Right, nice response. I love how there are still people who think it doesn't matter how the rest of the world sees things. Because this country is the greatest country in the world, right? Jesus, it's like we're back in 1955. Coca Cola and James Dean, and who cares what the rest of the world thinks about our politics.
Europe is a pretty fucked up place, governmentally. Most of the countries there border on socialist. I wouldn't want my country to be governed in the manner Europe is.
They also can't deal effectively with crisis. Look at the response to Russia-Georgia ... in the end, it basically boiled down to, "Uh ... Hey, Russia, would you pretty please not invade sovreign nations anymore? We'd really appreciate it. And if you do, we're going to ask you not to again, only using slightly more stern language."
I don't want any of that for America.
So if Europe thinks a candidate would be a great president ... well, that's probably a sign I shouldn't vote for him.
So, in that regard, thanks Europe, for the recommendation!
The other thing: I don't think the average man on the street in Europe knows anything about the two candidates, other the caracitures they've been fed through their notoriously left-wing media ... Of course, I don't know much about their candidates either, which is why I generally don't open my trap about who the people of, say, France should choose to be their leader.everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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jeffbr wrote:So you're saying you'd make choices based on how Europeans would perceive you? Weird. I make choices based on principle but I guess different people have different criteria.
What choices? You mean voting?
Fortunately, I don't have to because I happen to agree with the rest of the world. But if you are asking if international law is something we should comply with, the answer is yes. If you are asking whether we should continue to isolate ourselves from the global community, the answer is no. Like it or not, the world is getting smaller. What other countries think matters. The old approach ("This is Amurrica. Fuck France", etc.) has to end.San Diego 10/25/00, Mountain View 6/1/03, Santa Barbara 10/28/03, Northwest School 3/18/05, San Diego 7/7/06, Los Angeles 7/9/06, 7/10/06, Honolulu (U2) 12/9/06, Santa Barbara (EV) 4/10/08, Los Angeles (EV) 4/12/08, Hartford 6/27/08, Mansfield 6/28/08, VH1 Rock Honors The Who 7/12/08, Seattle 9/21/09, Universal City 9/30/09, 10/1/09, 10/6/09, 10/7/09, San Diego 10/9/09, Los Angeles (EV) 7/8/11, Santa Barbara (EV) 7/9/11, Chicago 7/19/13, San Diego 11/21/13, Los Angeles 11/23/13, 11/24/13, Oakland 11/26/13, Chicago 8/22/16, Missoula 8/13/18, Boston 9/2/18, Los Angeles 2/25/22 (EV), San Diego 5/3/22, Los Angeles 5/6/22, 5/7/22, Imola 6/25/22, Los Angeles 5/21/24, [London 6/29/24], [Boston 9/15/24]0 -
meistereder wrote:What choices? You mean voting?
Fortunately, I don't have to because I happen to agree with the rest of the world. But if you are asking if international law is something we should comply with, the answer is yes. If you are asking whether we should continue to isolate ourselves from the global community, the answer is no. Like it or not, the world is getting smaller. What other countries think matters. The old approach ("This is Amurrica. Fuck France", etc.) has to end.
Yes, our president should work with other nations once in office, to find compromise and common ground where feasible.
That doesn't mean I think we should take into account who Europe wants us to pick when going to the polls. That's just asinine.everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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meistereder wrote:Right, nice response. I love how there are still people who think it doesn't matter how the rest of the world sees things. Because this country is the greatest country in the world, right? Jesus, it's like we're back in 1955. Coca Cola and James Dean, and who cares what the rest of the world thinks about our politics.
You are right. The world is different now from the 50s and 60s.
I mean if JFK delivered his inaugural address today he'd be called a religious zealot.
The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe—the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.
and
Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you. With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own.
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slightofjeff wrote:Europe is a pretty fucked up place, governmentally. Most of the countries there border on socialist. I wouldn't want my country to be governed in the manner Europe is.
They also can't deal effectively with crisis. Look at the response to Russia-Georgia ... in the end, it basically boiled down to, "Uh ... Hey, Russia, would you pretty please not invade sovreign nations anymore? We'd really appreciate it. And if you do, we're going to ask you not to again, only using slightly more stern language."
I don't want any of that for America.
So if Europe thinks a candidate would be a great president ... well, that's probably a sign I shouldn't vote for him.
So, in that regard, thanks Europe, for the recommendation!
The other thing: I don't think the average man on the street in Europe knows anything about the two candidates, other the caracitures they've been fed through their notoriously left-wing media ... Of course, I don't know much about their candidates either, which is why I generally don't open my trap about who the people of, say, France should choose to be their leader.
Yeah and ignoring world opinion on Bush circa 2005 really helped us too.0 -
slightofjeff wrote:Yes, our president should work with other nations once in office, to find compromise and common ground where feasible.
That doesn't mean I think we should take into account who Europe wants us to pick when going to the polls. That's just asinine.
This thread was talking about the aftermath of a McCain win. That's what I was talking about. I am not telling people to take Europe "into account" when going to the polls. I am just pointing out, correctly I believe, that a McCain win will continue to degrade our relationship with the rest of the world. I think it is a valid point.San Diego 10/25/00, Mountain View 6/1/03, Santa Barbara 10/28/03, Northwest School 3/18/05, San Diego 7/7/06, Los Angeles 7/9/06, 7/10/06, Honolulu (U2) 12/9/06, Santa Barbara (EV) 4/10/08, Los Angeles (EV) 4/12/08, Hartford 6/27/08, Mansfield 6/28/08, VH1 Rock Honors The Who 7/12/08, Seattle 9/21/09, Universal City 9/30/09, 10/1/09, 10/6/09, 10/7/09, San Diego 10/9/09, Los Angeles (EV) 7/8/11, Santa Barbara (EV) 7/9/11, Chicago 7/19/13, San Diego 11/21/13, Los Angeles 11/23/13, 11/24/13, Oakland 11/26/13, Chicago 8/22/16, Missoula 8/13/18, Boston 9/2/18, Los Angeles 2/25/22 (EV), San Diego 5/3/22, Los Angeles 5/6/22, 5/7/22, Imola 6/25/22, Los Angeles 5/21/24, [London 6/29/24], [Boston 9/15/24]0 -
catch22 wrote:then explain to me how this bbq is proof to you that we should all avoid the inner city if mccain wins?
"poor people got to have hope... The man don't care anymore, he just wants to sell us off, sell us beer, cigarettes, keep us drunk and high... They know all we got is our family, each other....our children".
"they want to send our children off to fight a war... for what??... oil?"
"then we ain't got nothin... nothin but hope"
"to us...Barack Obama is all we have to be hopeful about.... but you probably don't understand that..."
"a poor man with children to feed...hungry children...crying babies...is going to get drunk ....then he gonna steal even though he knows it's wrong."
"Two poor men are gonna rob and steal... And 3 poor men are gonna rob and steal and make plans..."
"you take a whole bunch of poor folk...they gonna burn this place to the ground..."
And
"white people don't understand...black people communicate with their eyes...they can tell who to trust without saying a word...
Have you ever been in prison? Then you'd know this is fact...
Prisons were meant to keep the people inside... But you take 10-20 brothers that wanna bust someone out.... They ain't got no plans for that"
"you put 15 well armed brothers in the back of this grain truck and smash it thru the prison gates... We can set every body free before they can call they momma"the Minions0 -
Strangest Tribe wrote:""you put 15 well armed brothers in the back of this grain truck and smash it thru the prison gates... We can set every body free before they can call they momma"
If by "free" they mean everyone will get killed and set free, then whoever said this may be right.hippiemom = goodness0 -
meistereder wrote:This thread was talking about the aftermath of a McCain win. That's what I was talking about. I am not telling people to take Europe "into account" when going to the polls. I am just pointing out, correctly I believe, that a McCain win will continue to degrade our relationship with the rest of the world. I think it is a valid point.
I would hope the leaders of Europe and the rest of the world would judge our next president on his own merits, whoever he is.
I would hope they wouldn't pre-judge him, based on the (R) or (D) next to his name ... and I'm confident they won't.
As for the citizens of the world, I really don't care what they think of our next president. They don't have to work with him.everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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Solat13 wrote:Yeah, I know. I was troubled by a column in last week's paper in Philly that said this:
If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness - and hopelessness!
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/columnists/fatimah_ali/20080902_Fatimah_Ali__We_need_Obama__not_4_more_years_of_George_Bush.html
I would like to think that won't happen but who knows what will happen after election day.
From what i undestand, from a friend whos job it is to monitor such things, the white supremacist blogosphere is on fire with promises of the same thing if Obama wins. Bahhh...
1995 came and went and so will all of this cazy talk."When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."0 -
slightofjeff wrote:As for the citizens of the world, I really don't care what they think of our next president. They don't have to work with him.
Do you really believe that? That is a really, really ignorant statement.
You might not care what the rest of the world thinks, and that is fine, it is our election after all, but to say that they don't have to work with him is plain ignorant to the current state of the world.Obama/Biden '08!!!0 -
cornnifer wrote:From what i undestand, from a friend whos job it is to monitor such things, the white supremacist blogosphere is on fire with promises of the same thing if Obama wins. Bahhh...
1995 came and went and so will all of this cazy talk.
I'll take your word for it. But as far as I know not too many white supremacists write weekly columns for a major newspaper.- Busted down the pretext
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Solat13 wrote:I'll take your word for it. But as far as I know not too many white supremacists write weekly columns for a major newspaper.
Nor do poor angry Black men in the ghetto. The newspaper article you refer to was writen ABOUT a segment of the population not BY them."When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."0 -
cubbieblue82 wrote:Do you really believe that? That is a really, really ignorant statement.
You might not care what the rest of the world thinks, and that is fine, it is our election after all, but to say that they don't have to work with him is plain ignorant to the current state of the world.
Please explain to me how Pierre the Plumber on the streets of Paris would ever have the occasion to meet our next president, let alone work with him.
If your answer includes anything other than, "the john backed up at in the president's suite," you're wrong.
Of course, our next president has to work with the LEADERS of other countries. They'll never, ever even meet the common citizens, which is what I was talking about.everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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catch22 wrote:it says what i've suspected for too long. americans are not very bright, are very lazy, and have no attention span for anything other than paparrazzi style soundbytes and histrionic "journalism" like the lipstick nonsense.
I don't get this nnsense either, one said in the past and this one said it and....Next squabble please.
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slightofjeff wrote:Europe is a pretty fucked up place, governmentally. Most of the countries there border on socialist. I wouldn't want my country to be governed in the manner Europe is.
They also can't deal effectively with crisis. Look at the response to Russia-Georgia ... in the end, it basically boiled down to, "Uh ... Hey, Russia, would you pretty please not invade sovreign nations anymore? We'd really appreciate it. And if you do, we're going to ask you not to again, only using slightly more stern language."
I don't want any of that for America.
So if Europe thinks a candidate would be a great president ... well, that's probably a sign I shouldn't vote for him.
So, in that regard, thanks Europe, for the recommendation!
The other thing: I don't think the average man on the street in Europe knows anything about the two candidates, other the caracitures they've been fed through their notoriously left-wing media ... Of course, I don't know much about their candidates either, which is why I generally don't open my trap about who the people of, say, France should choose to be their leader.
when i studied in europe, the average young european knew more about what was happening in american politics than most of my american college classmates. it's kind of frightening really.
there is nothing shameful or cowardly in considering world opinion before you act. it's true in the business world and anywhere else, that having credibility is a powerful bargaining tool. we don't have much right now. though i will agree europe has done a poor job of responding to crisis. that doesn't mean we need to swing to the opposite extreme just to avoid becoming socialist. there's a lot of room in the middle there.and like that... he's gone.0 -
Strangest Tribe wrote:"poor people got to have hope... The man don't care anymore, he just wants to sell us off, sell us beer, cigarettes, keep us drunk and high... They know all we got is our family, each other....our children".
"they want to send our children off to fight a war... for what??... oil?"
"then we ain't got nothin... nothin but hope"
"to us...Barack Obama is all we have to be hopeful about.... but you probably don't understand that..."
"a poor man with children to feed...hungry children...crying babies...is going to get drunk ....then he gonna steal even though he knows it's wrong."
"Two poor men are gonna rob and steal... And 3 poor men are gonna rob and steal and make plans..."
"you take a whole bunch of poor folk...they gonna burn this place to the ground..."
And
"white people don't understand...black people communicate with their eyes...they can tell who to trust without saying a word...
Have you ever been in prison? Then you'd know this is fact...
Prisons were meant to keep the people inside... But you take 10-20 brothers that wanna bust someone out.... They ain't got no plans for that"
"you put 15 well armed brothers in the back of this grain truck and smash it thru the prison gates... We can set every body free before they can call they momma"
i still fail to see how this is cause for everyone to avoid the inner city just because obama loses the election. sure, emotions may be high. but this isn't rodney king.and like that... he's gone.0 -
Can you really blame one person or a small group of people for the last 8 years? I will make a bet with everyone here that even if McCain wins, the USA will still be here, and you will be alive and well. And if it isn't, I'll pay every one of you 100$ for my false prediction........
But if that’s the case, you'll be more concerned about your safety, clean drinking water, and food during the catastrophic fall of America, you won't have an internet to collect my money, which will be worthless anyway.BRING BACK THE WHALE0
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