Eddie's politics from VH1

Allow me:

As someone who could'nt be farther away from the ideology of Ed, I find him very determined and very bright. The fact that he mumbles, at least to me, just shows a guy who maybe is not all that comfortable actually " speaking" to large numbers of people. Singing is a whole nother' animal, because he's got so much damn talent to back it up. I don't like a lot of what he was saying, I don't agree with very much, I thought WAY too much of the show last night was wasted on this stuff, but I think he'd hold up just fine in any debate, because like someone stated earlier, he has the passion and confidence in his beliefs.

I did'nt care for his comment about the " blinders ", because I was thinking that was a pretty judgemental blanket to throw out there, especially considering I would consider him the one who should look out for those blinders, but other than that, it was just a passionate guy trying to make a difference, and whether I like it or not, it was his forum, afterall.

I could care less that he thinks a little less of Pearl Jam fans that don't agree with him. It should'nt ever be that way, but if it is, what the hell are you gonna do?

Purple Hawk wrote:

I only have contempt for the way that Ed specifically, and many people here more generally, portray conservatives. It's degrading to suggest that we don't know "the truth" and that we're so wide-eyed that we don't know how the world works....it just seems that Ed's attitude has become increasingly insulting. Which is ironic since he seems to have difficulty forming a complete sentence on a consistent basis.

but i don't think he means it to all conservatives.

like on showbox, 'you don't have to agree w/ me, that's the meaning of democracy...'

we need a balance of ideas, but to be honest both conservative and liberal parties have been hijacked and are pretty ineffectual overall except at wasting our tax dollars.

Purple Hawk wrote:

I understand your point...but imagine ann coulter being the lead singer of your favorite band...and imagine her being very articulate in her song-writing, and her ability to convey those messages through songs that people who even disagree with some of the overarching themes can identify with the more specific lyrics. But then, once the music's over...she becomes Ann Coulter once again...


Unfortunately, conservatives really suck at art...so it's hard to come up with a good counter example.

no, i understand...it's like w/ ppl who are christian, if you say something and about someone like falwell and generalize by saying 'christian' some will think you are taking a shot at them...it's not always all encompasing

EV: For me, the fear is that my daughter in 20 years, if she wants to have a well-paying or decent-paying job after educating herself, will have to work for one of maybe three to five major corporations that run the whole fucking globe. And that those corporations will probably be profiting off the unhealthy state of consumers. There will be blood money involved. You won’t be able to make an honest living that can’t be tracked back to some destruction of the environment or some disrespect to American workers. When I say disrespect, I mean all-out abandonment, as all the factory jobs will be in other countries. Not to go off on a tangent, but not only do they go to other countries, they go to other countries for a while and then switch to another one after they exhaust those resources. It’s a real chew-them-up-and-spit-them-out corporate approach; at some point, the planet is going to be decimated. [Laughs] Bring in the guitar solo.

Honestly, most leftists don't realize how silly they sound with this anti-corporation paranoia. Forgive me for thinking that Ed may just be a wee bit out of touch with the "American workers." Does Ed even know that the unemployment rate is 4.6%?

And, come to think of it, why would a humanist like Ed, who doesn't believe in defining people by borders, be upset that a corporation is providing jobs in another country? Don't Indians and Mexicans and Indonesians deserve to make a living too?

The problem with Ed, as I see it, and the problem with many leftists, is that because of their justifiable opposition to the war they feel that everything that is even remotely associated with Bush must be evil. It's not a very logical position, and it leads to some bizarre reasoning, such as the above quoted ramblings of Mr. Vedder.

El_Kabong wrote:

i've never really seen ppl have so much contempt for the member(s) of a band and say they are one of their favorite bands...

So you can't appreciate the paintings of someone you disagree politically with?

I've never understood this argument.

Purple Hawk wrote:

Ed is obviously EXTREMELY far left, and has an unfounded disdain for capitalism. It's not a mainstream view but I understand where he's coming from. I just resent him saying that I don't know "the truth." Trust me, I do, and knowing this truth, I approve of where we are going as opposed to where Ed would want us to go. And even though those are my beliefs, I am NOT evil!

What if the truth were actually all lies, what if all the lies were truth - and no one knew the difference. What if what Ed's truth is actually the lies, and Bush is telling the truth. Wow, that would rock someones world.

Purple Hawk wrote:

Ed is obviously EXTREMELY far left, and has an unfounded disdain for capitalism.

And ironically, of course, he's done pretty good by it; he flies from one event to the next by private jet, he sleeps in 5-star hotels, he makes enough money to do what he wants when he wants.

...and, of course, he knows exactly what I, a typical "American worker", should believe in order to know the "truth".

69charger wrote:

So you can't appreciate the paintings of someone you disagree politically with?

I've never understood this argument.

is the painting expressing a view that is contradictory to my views? am i bashing the artist repeatedly and insulting their intelligence?

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

I think those quotes show someone who is very much informed, atriculate and in touch with the world that's around us all not just around him.

I disagree with that. I probably agree with his politics more than disagree, and do think he is probably well informed. However, I havent seen any interview with him that I can honestly say shows how informed he is, and in a 4 minute rock song you can get across your message, but not really indicate why that is your message. I wanna see or read a political interview with Ed. I think he would be great and I think I would agree with most of what he said, but that rolling stone interview or wherever that interview posted came from isnt politically astute what so ever and I honestly dont think I have seen an interview with him that I would consider politically astute. And that isnt his fault, he answers the questions he is asked, but anyone can spew anti Bush rants, and then answer a few softball questions about it without being challenged. I want to see him challenged and see how good he really is. WHich, I think he would be quite good, but I would like to see it firsthand.

El_Kabong wrote:

i've never really seen ppl have so much contempt for the member(s) of a band and say they are one of their favorite bands...

Ive never seen a bandmember with such contempt for a large chunk of their fans. Oh well, if ya cant beat em, Fuck em.

Myself, Im a mccready man.