GOP/Right wing attack child over health care?

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  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    know1 wrote:
    What were the lies exactly? I read that original post again, and I do not see the lies.

    the crap about them paying for the kids to attend an exclusive private school where the tuition is $20,000 a year....neglecting to mention that they don't pay that because the kids are on nearly full scholarships. they don't mention that the parents combined salary is about 45,000 a year...which isn't nearly enough to pay for health insurance for a family of four.

    who the fuck knows what the extend of the house remodeling is? for all anyone knows that could mean that they replaced a piece of drywall in one room. how would the father giving up his small business(his source of income) make them more able to afford health insurance?

    it's misinformation and lies that the only purpose it serves is a political one to distract from Bush being an non-empathic ass for denying this source of health care for more kids
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    prism wrote:
    the crap about them paying for the kids to attend an exclusive private school where the tuition is $20,000 a year....neglecting to mention that they don't pay that because the kids are on nearly full scholarships. they don't mention that the parents combined salary is about 45,000 a year...which isn't nearly enough to pay for health insurance for a family of four.

    who the fuck knows what the extend of the house remodeling is? for all anyone knows that could mean that they replaced a piece of drywall in one room. how would the father giving up his small business(his source of income) make them more able to afford health insurance?

    it's misinformation and lies that the only purpose it serves is a political one to distract from Bush being an non-empathic ass for denying this source of health care for more kids

    Except that they didn't say they paid for it. They said they "attended". Sure, it's misleading, but it's not a lie. That's why you have to read things carefully and that it's sometimes more important what's NOT being said than what is.

    The bottom line is if the guy makes $45k per year, he shouldn't be getting government funded healthcare.
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  • know1
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    RainDog wrote:
    Is she supporting herself and three other people, two of which suffered from serious injuries related to an automobile accident?

    Or is she just buying for herself?

    She is just paying for herself, but then again she's making a lot less as well.

    Not sure why that matters to this.
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    know1 wrote:
    So this plan covers people for insurance who are making $45K a year?

    A close friend of mine makes less than $30K and she purchases her own health insurance.


    I'm curious, are payments to health insurance tax deductible?

    I was talking about health benefits with my HR Manager as my wife and I are trying to figure out what to do with benefits and everything when our son is born in January, and between the employer and employee premiums, our health plan is $1100 a month. That's $13,200 a year, and I honestly don't know if we could afford that if we both suddenly lost the option to do it through work. That is a big chunk of change for a family to have to come up with, when money is already tight with housing costs and everything else.

    I can't imagine making $45,000 a year trying to support a family while paying something like 1/3 of that gross income going to health care.
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    blackredyellow wrote:
    I'm curious, are payments to health insurance tax deductible?

    I was talking about health benefits with my HR Manager as my wife and I are trying to figure out what to do with benefits and everything when our son is born in January, and between the employer and employee premiums, our health plan is $1100 a month. That's $13,200 a year, and I honestly don't know if we could afford that if we both suddenly lost the option to do it through work. That is a big chunk of change for a family to have to come up with, when money is already tight with housing costs and everything else.

    I can't imagine making $45,000 a year trying to support a family while paying something like 1/3 of that gross income going to health care.

    My brother makes about $45K and has two kids to support who have insurance. He's not getting assistance.

    Health Insurance is such a scam. I know it will never happen, but people need to take their focus off of the government providing it and take a look at the INSURANCE industry because they are the core of the problem.
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  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    know1 wrote:
    Except that they didn't say they paid for it. They said they "attended". Sure, it's misleading, but it's not a lie. That's why you have to read things carefully and that it's sometimes more important what's NOT being said than what is.

    The bottom line is if the guy makes $45k per year, he shouldn't be getting government funded healthcare.

    do have the remotest clue how much health insurance cost for a family of four per month? then you have to factor in the terrible injuries that these kids received in the car crash which much more than likely makes the kids uninsurable.
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  • RainDog
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    know1 wrote:
    Except that they didn't say they paid for it. They said they "attended". Sure, it's misleading, but it's not a lie. That's why you have to read things carefully and that it's sometimes more important what's NOT being said than what is.
    Exactly. They took some information that on the surface sounds damning, but under further investigation it isn't. Yet they still push it. It's not misleading. It's dishonest, to say the least.
    know1 wrote:
    The bottom line is if the guy makes $45k per year, he shouldn't be getting government funded healthcare.
    Except that's not the bottom line. It's two people making a combined $45,000 average to pay for four people, two of which suffered serious injuries due to an automobile accident.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    know1 wrote:
    My brother makes about $45K and has two kids to support who have insurance. He's not getting assistance.

    Health Insurance is such a scam. I know it will never happen, but people need to take their focus off of the government providing it and take a look at the INSURANCE industry because they are the core of the problem.

    then your brother is missing out by not accessing a program that may help him and his family...that's on him and really has no bearing on this conversation...
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    RainDog wrote:
    Exactly. They took some information that on the surface sounds damning, but under further investigation it isn't. Yet they still push it. It's not misleading. It's dishonest, to say the least.

    Except that's not the bottom line. It's two people making a combined $45,000 average to pay for four people, two of which suffered serious injuries due to an automobile accident.

    Sounds to me like they need to increase their income. They're making $22K each. That's not bad if you're in high school or college, but not so much if you're a parent.
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  • know1
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    prism wrote:
    do have the remotest clue how much health insurance cost for a family of four per month? then you have to factor in the terrible injuries that these kids received in the car crash which much more than likely makes the kids uninsurable.

    Yes - health insurance is a complete rip off. We need to get rid of it completely except for catastrophic situations.
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    RainDog wrote:
    Exactly. They took some information that on the surface sounds damning, but under further investigation it isn't. Yet they still push it. It's not misleading. It's dishonest, to say the least.

    That's what I hate about it... these misleading statements will be shown to be bullshit almost instantly, but the right-wing talk radio jackasses and the like will take them and run, all the while keep talking about this family weeks from now going to private schools and renovating their house...
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  • RainDog
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    know1 wrote:
    Sounds to me like they need to increase their income. They're making $22K each. That's not bad if you're in high school or college, but not so much if you're a parent.
    "Increase their income"? A little easier said than done - or else we'd all be millionaires.

    Nah. Since we're playing the black/white, simplest answer imaginable game here (correctness of answer notwithstanding) then I'll say it's easier to rob from you to pay for theirs. And I'm perfectly comfortable with that.
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    blackredyellow wrote:
    That's what I hate about it... these misleading statements will be shown to be bullshit almost instantly, but the right-wing talk radio jackasses and the like will take them and run

    This sounds like this board in a lot of ways...except the opposite side of the spectrum. That's not a defense of the jackass bloggers in the original article as much as a condemnation of their actions.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    insurance is such a great scam. I truly hate insurance companies.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    blackredyellow wrote:
    That's what I hate about it... these misleading statements will be shown to be bullshit almost instantly, but the right-wing talk radio jackasses and the like will take them and run, all the while keep talking about this family weeks from now going to private schools and renovating their house...
    It's the audience. Both sides make their outrageous claims (I mean, really, 12 year olds speaking on healthcare?); but, and maybe I'm just prejudiced here, it seems the right wing audience takes it all as gospel truth (their politicians and pundits never lie, after all - too God-fearing).

    Rush Limbaugh can scream about shit all he wants - if the people listening didn't believe him (or at least take him with a grain of salt), this shit wouldn't work as well as it does.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    RainDog wrote:
    "Increase their income"? A little easier said than done - or else we'd all be millionaires.

    Nah. Since we're playing the black/white, simplest answer imaginable game here (correctness of answer notwithstanding) then I'll say it's easier to rob from you to pay for theirs. And I'm perfectly comfortable with that.

    $22K ain't much. That's pretty much starting pay with no experience at lots of companies.
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    know1 wrote:
    $22K ain't much. That's pretty much starting pay with no experience at lots of companies.
    True. But perhaps he's pulling in an average of $35,000 ("average," because it's his own business and customers directly determine his pay), and she's bringing in $10,000 as a part-time worker who spends a lot of time taking care of the children. Both of which sustained serious injuries due to an automobile accident. Likely expensive ones, too.

    And ain't ain't a word, so it ain't good to say.

    But you're right. 22K ain't much. Which is likely why they qualify for the SCHIP.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    RainDog wrote:
    True. But perhaps he's pulling in an average of $35,000 ("average," because it's his own business and customers directly determine his pay), and she's bringing in $10,000 as a part-time worker who spends a lot of time taking care of the children. Both of which sustained serious injuries due to an automobile accident. Likely expensive ones, too.

    And ain't ain't a word, so it ain't good to say.

    But you're right. 22K ain't much. Which is likely why they qualify for the SCHIP.

    OK, now we're getting somewhere.

    So what if she could work an extra 8 hours per week, but then they wouldn't qualify for the health insurance program anymore. What would she do?
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    know1 wrote:
    OK, now we're getting somewhere.

    So what if she could work an extra 8 hours per week, but then they wouldn't qualify for the health insurance program anymore. What would she do?
    She? Likely she wouldn't do that for the simple fact that she couldn't afford childcare, let alone healthcare.

    I say implement a universal healthcare program and be done with it. No more squabbling over who qualifies for what and when.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    RainDog wrote:
    She? Likely she wouldn't do that for the simple fact that she couldn't afford childcare, let alone healthcare.

    I say implement a universal healthcare program and be done with it. No more squabbling over who qualifies for what and when.

    I say ban insurance (except for catastrophic) and let people pay directly for medical services. If people need help, let's give it to them, but let it NOT be under the guise of "insurance".
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