Leaked Canadian memo concerning Obama and NAFTA 'posturing'

El_Kabong
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edited March 2008 in A Moving Train
memo???

i know you will say but he and their government denied it but keep in mind one of his top economic and trade advisors helped push nafta thru, had his law firm advise mexico on nafta and pushed to escalate the wto!!!



http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8a7bb920-e97b-11dc-8365-0000779fd2ac.html

Obama under fire over Nafta memo
By Andrew Ward in Washington

Published: March 3 2008 23:50 | Last updated: March 3 2008 23:55

A senior adviser to Barack Obama told the Canadian government that the Democratic presidential frontrunner’s campaign rhetoric on free trade should be viewed as “political positioning”, according to a leaked memo.

The memo provided the first firm evidence to support week-old allegations that the Obama campaign issued private reassurances to Canada while publicly criticising the North American Free Trade Agreement (Nafta).

The furore stems from a meeting between Austan Goolsbee, Mr Obama’s senior economic adviser, and officials at the Candian consulate in Chicago last month.

In a summary of the meeting, a Canadian diplomat wrote that Mr Goolsbee “acknowledged the protectionist sentiment that has emerged, particularly in the Midwest, during the primary campaign”.

“He cautioned that this messaging should not be taken out of context and should be viewed as more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans,” said the memo, which was obtained by the Associated Press.


In a televised debate last week, Mr Obama vowed to push for renegotiation of Nafta and threatened to withdraw from the agreement if Canada and Mexico refused.

The 13-year-old deal, which removed tariffs on most trade between the US, Canada and Mexico, has become the focus of economic debate ahead of Tuesday’s primary election in Ohio, which has suffered a painful exodus of manufacturing jobs.

Hillary Clinton on Monday seized on the memo to raise questions about her opponent’s authenticity as she fights to keep her presidential ambitions alive.

She accused Mr Obama of giving “the old wink-wink” to the Canadian government while assuring Americans that he would fight to protect US jobs.

Mr Goolsbee on Monday acknowledged he had met Canadian officials but said he had been misquoted in the memo. Mr Obama last week denied knowledge of any meeting between his campaign and the Canadian government.

The Canadian embassy in Washington expressed regret for how the meeting had been interpreted. “There was no intention to convey, in any way, that Senator Obama and his campaign team were taking a different position in public from views expressed in private,” it said.
Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2008
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  • El_Kabong wrote:
    memo???

    i know you will say but he and their government denied it but keep in mind one of his top economic and trade advisors helped push nafta thru, had his law firm advise mexico on nafta and pushed to escalate the wto!!!



    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8a7bb920-e97b-11dc-8365-0000779fd2ac.html

    Obama under fire over Nafta memo
    By Andrew Ward in Washington

    Published: March 3 2008 23:50 | Last updated: March 3 2008 23:55

    A senior adviser to Barack Obama told the Canadian government that the Democratic presidential frontrunner’s campaign rhetoric on free trade should be viewed as “political positioning”, according to a leaked memo.

    The memo provided the first firm evidence to support week-old allegations that the Obama campaign issued private reassurances to Canada while publicly criticising the North American Free Trade Agreement (Nafta).

    The furore stems from a meeting between Austan Goolsbee, Mr Obama’s senior economic adviser, and officials at the Candian consulate in Chicago last month.

    In a summary of the meeting, a Canadian diplomat wrote that Mr Goolsbee “acknowledged the protectionist sentiment that has emerged, particularly in the Midwest, during the primary campaign”.

    “He cautioned that this messaging should not be taken out of context and should be viewed as more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans,” said the memo, which was obtained by the Associated Press.


    In a televised debate last week, Mr Obama vowed to push for renegotiation of Nafta and threatened to withdraw from the agreement if Canada and Mexico refused.

    The 13-year-old deal, which removed tariffs on most trade between the US, Canada and Mexico, has become the focus of economic debate ahead of Tuesday’s primary election in Ohio, which has suffered a painful exodus of manufacturing jobs.

    Hillary Clinton on Monday seized on the memo to raise questions about her opponent’s authenticity as she fights to keep her presidential ambitions alive.

    She accused Mr Obama of giving “the old wink-wink” to the Canadian government while assuring Americans that he would fight to protect US jobs.

    Mr Goolsbee on Monday acknowledged he had met Canadian officials but said he had been misquoted in the memo. Mr Obama last week denied knowledge of any meeting between his campaign and the Canadian government.

    The Canadian embassy in Washington expressed regret for how the meeting had been interpreted. “There was no intention to convey, in any way, that Senator Obama and his campaign team were taking a different position in public from views expressed in private,” it said.
    Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2008


    Wow.
    Thank you.

    This puts the nail in the fucking coffin.

    Obama is BOUGHT AND SOLD.

    100%.

    First the massive donations from Wallstreet and the Federal Reserve owners themselves (Citibank, Morgan Chase, ?Goldman Sachs?) ... now this.

    NAFTA was the ONE reason i was wondering whether Obama may actualy be somewhere in between either well meaning yet naive or nearly "rouge" (like kennedy) and in danger of being whacked.

    This puts ALL of it to rest.

    Obama is a fucking piece of shit shill.
    As far as i'm concerned now, you can officialy view EVERYTHING in his "plans" as nothing more than doublespeak and bullshit that will never be implemented.

    The stuff that does get implemented will be meant to fuck you.

    Case in point:
    I read on his website that he will overhaul the tax code so that the average american can file in less than 5 minutes. Sounds to good to be true, right?

    It IS.
    How would he accomplish this?
    The IRS WOULD FILE YOUR TAXES FOR YOU.

    Uh!
    CAN YOU SAY: "BEND OVER AND LET ME FUCK YOU HARDER" ?

    ???

    WTF

    ???

    OBAMA IS BOUGHT AND SOLD
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  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    take a deep breath, story is false...
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    take a deep breath, story is false...


    wow, you've convinced me!

    another fishy obama story where we just have to take his word
    http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/02/28/7340/
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Obama = Fascist = Coporatism

    I said that long ago.........
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  • JD Sal
    JD Sal Posts: 790
    El_Kabong wrote:
    memo???

    i know you will say but he and their government denied it but keep in mind one of his top economic and trade advisors helped push nafta thru, had his law firm advise mexico on nafta and pushed to escalate the wto!!!



    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8a7bb920-e97b-11dc-8365-0000779fd2ac.html

    Obama under fire over Nafta memo
    By Andrew Ward in Washington

    Published: March 3 2008 23:50 | Last updated: March 3 2008 23:55

    A senior adviser to Barack Obama told the Canadian government that the Democratic presidential frontrunner’s campaign rhetoric on free trade should be viewed as “political positioning”, according to a leaked memo.

    The memo provided the first firm evidence to support week-old allegations that the Obama campaign issued private reassurances to Canada while publicly criticising the North American Free Trade Agreement (Nafta).

    The furore stems from a meeting between Austan Goolsbee, Mr Obama’s senior economic adviser, and officials at the Candian consulate in Chicago last month.

    In a summary of the meeting, a Canadian diplomat wrote that Mr Goolsbee “acknowledged the protectionist sentiment that has emerged, particularly in the Midwest, during the primary campaign”.

    “He cautioned that this messaging should not be taken out of context and should be viewed as more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans,” said the memo, which was obtained by the Associated Press.


    In a televised debate last week, Mr Obama vowed to push for renegotiation of Nafta and threatened to withdraw from the agreement if Canada and Mexico refused.

    The 13-year-old deal, which removed tariffs on most trade between the US, Canada and Mexico, has become the focus of economic debate ahead of Tuesday’s primary election in Ohio, which has suffered a painful exodus of manufacturing jobs.

    Hillary Clinton on Monday seized on the memo to raise questions about her opponent’s authenticity as she fights to keep her presidential ambitions alive.

    She accused Mr Obama of giving “the old wink-wink” to the Canadian government while assuring Americans that he would fight to protect US jobs.

    Mr Goolsbee on Monday acknowledged he had met Canadian officials but said he had been misquoted in the memo. Mr Obama last week denied knowledge of any meeting between his campaign and the Canadian government.

    The Canadian embassy in Washington expressed regret for how the meeting had been interpreted. “There was no intention to convey, in any way, that Senator Obama and his campaign team were taking a different position in public from views expressed in private,” it said.
    Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2008

    Did you read the last paragraph? Anyway, just curious - how many anti-Obama threads are you planning to start this week? I think you're up to 4 or 5 so far.

    "The Canadian embassy in Washington expressed regret for how the meeting had been interpreted. “There was no intention to convey, in any way, that Senator Obama and his campaign team were taking a different position in public from views expressed in private,” it said."
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  • JD Sal wrote:
    Did you read the last paragraph? Anyway, just curious - how many anti-Obama threads are you planning to start this week? I think you're up to 4 or 5 so far.

    "The Canadian embassy in Washington expressed regret for how the meeting had been interpreted. “There was no intention to convey, in any way, that Senator Obama and his campaign team were taking a different position in public from views expressed in private,” it said."


    There may have been no INTENT to convey that interpretation, but what the fuck are you supposed to look at that and say?

    And obviously, if that statement was an internal memo ment to convey that sentiment in PRIVATE, of COURSE they would deny the hypocricy to the press.

    Duh!
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  • JD Sal
    JD Sal Posts: 790
    There may have been no INTENT to convey that interpretation, but what the fuck are you supposed to look at that and say?

    And obviously, if that statement was an internal memo ment to convey that sentiment in PRIVATE, of COURSE they would deny the hypocricy to the press.

    Duh!

    Do we even know if this story has been validated yet? Every other thread by Kabong is a bash on Obama. Doesn't she support Nader, who owns stock in all the corporations that he's openly against and trying to take down.

    It's politics. No politician is squeaky clean, but please spare me the 'Ralph Nader will save us' garbage.
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  • MasterFramer
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  • JD Sal
    JD Sal Posts: 790
    "It's 3am, your kids are sleeping, and the phone is ringing in the White House..."

    I lost whatever little respect I had left for Clinton after seeing her play the fear card.
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  • anotherclone
    anotherclone Posts: 1,688

    I love how Hillary says "it raises questions", but leaves it at that. She plants the seed of negativity and suspicion and then shuts her gaping pie hole. She attempts to implicate him but doesn't do it by saying something outright.

    It is brilliant on her part even if she does make me want to stab myself in the ear with a rusty fork when she talks.
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,888

    It amazes me on this board that the people who love to throw the "sheep" label around and make fun of people for being so gullible (ahem, drifting, ahem...), 10 seconds later run with one of these stories as gospel.
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,740
    well, it looks like I'm going to have to vote for Hillary...I'm sure she's not bought and sold....oh, wait...um....

    well, it looks like I'm going to have to vote for McCain....I'm sure he's not bought and sold...um...a....

    aw, fuck...
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    JD Sal wrote:
    "It's 3am, your kids are sleeping, and the phone is ringing in the White House..."

    Ha ha i heard this on the radio this morning and cringed, i can't believe the corny crap that gets played over there during election time.

    Obama is bought and sold and he'll prove it when you guys vote him in.

    Plus don't you think they all play the same dirty game, it seems like there's a lot of protection on this forum for Obama. He really isn't any different to all the other politicians.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Pretty sure this story has been debunked for almost 24 hours now, yet the talking heads on CNN and MSNBC keep bringing it up.

    On to some more breaking news, did you guys know Obama is a Muslim, he wants to be sworn in on the Koran, and that his middle name is Hussein? Sounds pretty fuckin' fishy to me...
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,888
    On to some more breaking news, did you guys know Obama is a Muslim, he wants to be sworn in on the Koran, and that his middle name is Hussein? Sounds pretty fuckin' fishy to me...

    It's true! I saw a picture of him in a funny outfit on TV the other day!
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    It's true! I saw a picture of him in a funny outfit on TV the other day!

    I saw that same picture...he looked like he was up to know good. Whatever it was he was doing, he probably learned it in that madrassa that he chose to go to while he was five years old.
  • It amazes me on this board that the people who love to throw the "sheep" label around and make fun of people for being so gullible (ahem, drifting, ahem...), 10 seconds later run with one of these stories as gospel.

    i have NO problem accepting that a story is bunk if it is so.

    NO i didn't go rushing to research this, the story says a memo was leaked. I personaly would like to see the memo, but i don't think a google search is going to help me.

    Otherwise, there are like 4 people on here saying repeatedly that this story is debunked.
    And yet they have no proof except for the people involved covering their asses.
    Could i get a link please.
    All i see is an article claiming that what was said was not intended to mean what it said.
    So what the fuck DID it mean? Give me a fucking break.

    He is your candidate.
    Defend him with evidence.

    And by debunked, i mean prove to me that the statement referenced in the alleged leaked memo is not in existence.

    If that memo is real, the story is NOT debunked.

    So, lets have it, and i will GLADLY retract my statement.

    I would love to believe the Obama hype.
    But so far it is just that, hype.
    And its growing more suspiscious by the day, imho.
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    i have NO problem accepting that a story is bunk if it is so.

    NO i didn't go rushing to research this, the story says a memo was leaked. I personaly would like to see the memo, but i don't think a google search is going to help me.

    Otherwise, there are like 4 people on here saying repeatedly that this story is debunked.
    And yet they have no proof except for the people involved covering their asses.
    Could i get a link please.
    All i see is an article claiming that what was said was not intended to mean what it said.
    So what the fuck DID it mean? Give me a fucking break.

    He is your candidate.
    Defend him with evidence.

    And by debunked, i mean prove to me that the statement referenced in the alleged leaked memo is not in existence.

    If that memo is real, the story is NOT debunked.

    So, lets have it, and i will GLADLY retract my statement.

    I would love to believe the Obama hype.
    But so far it is just that, hype.
    And its growing more suspiscious by the day, imho.

    So a conservative gov like Canada "leaking" a memo about the frontrunner for the Democratic party who said he would opt out of NATO doesn't sound fishy at all to you?

    You're the conspiracy guy on here, that doesn't smell a little weird to you?
  • So a conservative gov like Canada "leaking" a memo about the frontrunner for the Democratic party who said he would opt out of NATO doesn't sound fishy at all to you?

    You're the conspiracy guy on here, that doesn't smell a little weird to you?

    So the conspiracy is that this internal record of a meeting between a Canadian diplomat and Obamas policy advisor was falsified?

    That is your defense here.

    Someone wrote down an account of a meeting, that was meant to stay private.

    You think they took "fake" notes, with the intention of leaking them?

    Okay.
    If that is your "evidence" that this is debunked,
    you are worse than the 911 Truth movement in its claims against the government, aren't you?
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Okay.
    If that is your "evidence" that this is debunked,
    you are worse than the 911 Truth movement in its claims against the government, aren't you?


    Dude, I'm like you I'm looking for the proof of this memo and coming up short.

    I also know this came out right before the biggest day of the campaign season, it just sounds odd. How does that make me worse than the "animated planes on TV" 9/11 truthers?