Obama Says He's Had Enough!

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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    El_Kabong wrote:
    except for the more than 1/4 of a million dollars he's recieved from a single nuclear power company

    http://jischinger.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/obama%E2%80%99s-money-cartel/

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=275309

    on top of all the other corporate and lobbyist money he's taken in

    what direction is he going that is the right one? lying about taking money and giving jobs to lobbyists?


    if ya want a step in the right direction:
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=286746

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=283448

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=275309



    and
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5409414&postcount=21
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • binger
    binger Posts: 179
    El_Kabong wrote:
    except for the more than 1/4 of a million dollars he's recieved from a single nuclear power company

    http://jischinger.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/obama%E2%80%99s-money-cartel/

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=275309

    on top of all the other corporate and lobbyist money he's taken in

    what direction is he going that is the right one? lying about taking money and giving jobs to lobbyists?


    if ya want a step in the right direction:
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=286746

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=283448

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=275309

    Wow! Wouldn't want to meet that guy in a dark alley. Surprised there aren't horns.

    "These seven Wall Street firms are (in order of money given): Goldman Sachs, UBS AG, Lehman Brothers, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse. There is also a large hedge fund, Citadel Investment Group, which is a major source of fee income to Wall Street. There are five large corporate law firms that are also registered lobbyists; and one is a corporate law firm that is no longer a registered lobbyist but does legal work for Wall Street. The cumula*tive total of these 14 contributors through February 1, 2008, was $2,872,128, and we’re still in the primary season."

    According to what I've heard (too lazy to look it up) Obama has recieved 100 million(guessing sort of) in donations. I wouldn't call that being in the pocket of lobbyists. I believe that is McCain's job. Obama's average donation is around $100 dollars and he's winning. What more do you want from a candidate. The truth? Kucinich tried that and he lost. Nader isn't a viable candidate but he belongs somewhere in government. Hillary is McCain lite and McCain is Bush. I guess I don't see what the problem is.
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    binger wrote:
    Wow! Wouldn't want to meet that guy in a dark alley. Surprised there aren't horns.

    "These seven Wall Street firms are (in order of money given): Goldman Sachs, UBS AG, Lehman Brothers, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse. There is also a large hedge fund, Citadel Investment Group, which is a major source of fee income to Wall Street. There are five large corporate law firms that are also registered lobbyists; and one is a corporate law firm that is no longer a registered lobbyist but does legal work for Wall Street. The cumula*tive total of these 14 contributors through February 1, 2008, was $2,872,128, and we’re still in the primary season."

    According to what I've heard (too lazy to look it up) Obama has recieved 100 million(guessing sort of) in donations. I wouldn't call that being in the pocket of lobbyists. I believe that is McCain's job. Obama's average donation is around $100 dollars and he's winning. What more do you want from a candidate. The truth? Kucinich tried that and he lost. Nader isn't a viable candidate but he belongs somewhere in government. Hillary is McCain lite and McCain is Bush. I guess I don't see what the problem is.



    ummmm yeah, i want the truth, why don't you?? you're ok w/ being lied to? it's not about 'winning' it's about standing up for what's right. sorry, i'm putting my foot down and i'm not just gonna roll over and give in to a faux opposition party

    nader isn't viable b/c ppl are too chickenshit to vote for him, which i'm not.

    he has lied, he lied about a pharmaceutical lobbyist being the chair of his election campaign in new hampshire.

    he went from 'lobbyists won't have a job in my white house!!!' to 'lobbyists won't dominate my whitehouse!!'

    among other things

    but if you're ok w/ that, then by all means...

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/10/AR2008041004045.html?hpid=topnews&loc=interstitialskip
    Big Donors Among Obama's Grass Roots
    'Bundlers' Have a Voice in Campaign
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Foresight and hindsight don't seem to have much relevance in politics. It's all about what sounds good now - that's why Bush being out of office is a good thing, and electing someone who talks a good game with very little to back it up seems like the best idea in the world.
    Exactly!! :)
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

    http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta

    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • binger
    binger Posts: 179
    No I don't like being lied to. But I understand that we have one of three choices at this moment. This person is going to be making choices for our country for at least the next 4 years including Supreme Court Judges. I don't want that person to be Bush 2. For me it is that simple. Nader can't win. Our country is too entrenched in a 2 party system. So its Obama or McCain.

    Serious question. Who would you choose?
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    binger wrote:
    No I don't like being lied to. But I understand that we have one of three choices at this moment. This person is going to be making choices for our country for at least the next 4 years including Supreme Court Judges. I don't want that person to be Bush 2. For me it is that simple. Nader can't win. Our country is too entrenched in a 2 party system. So its Obama or McCain.

    Serious question. Who would you choose?
    So you are making a fear choice then?
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

    http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta

    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    binger wrote:
    No I don't like being lied to. But I understand that we have one of three choices at this moment. This person is going to be making choices for our country for at least the next 4 years including Supreme Court Judges. I don't want that person to be Bush 2. For me it is that simple. Nader can't win. Our country is too entrenched in a 2 party system. So its Obama or McCain.

    Serious question. Who would you choose?


    i choose nader/gonzalez.

    and if not them i would write in kucinich, b/c the only way i can possibly waste my vote is to throw it away on someone who i know is lying to my face. i'm not gonna vote against somebody, as you are w/ mccain, i'm voting FOR somebody

    you are limiting yourself, not our country. as long as you keep in line NOTHING will change. you have more than those 3 choices. we will never have progress or see any substantial form of change as long as we just shrug and give in and say 'i guess that's the best we can do....' the only way to affect change is to demand it and stand behind it, you can't do it half assed.

    by this logic rosa parks should've just gotten up, right?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    El_Kabong wrote:
    i choose nader/gonzalez.

    you are limiting yourself, not our country. as long as you keep in line NOTHING will change. you have more than those 3 choices. we will never have progress or see any substantial form of change as long as we just shrug and give in and say 'i guess that's the best we can do....' the only way to affect change is to demand it and stand behind it, you can't do it half assed.

    by this logic rosa parks should've just gotten up, right?
    Well said!! :)
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

    http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta

    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • MattyJoe
    MattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    El_Kabong wrote:
    funny ppl demonize bush now (and rightly so) and yet...so much of the 2 party's policies are the same. why just bush/cheney???? the foreign policies are almost exactly identical! you hear very little criticism about clinton other than getting a blow job then lying about it under oath. how the democrats have this image as an opposition party is beyond me

    change we can believe in...until after election day, then we can all go back to bitching about the 2 party's being worthless and ineffectual

    powered by naivety

    Good post, totally agree with you.

    Obama continues to disassociate himself with all of these controversies claiming that they don't represent who he really is or what he believes in. The problem is that he hasn't shown us who he ACTUALLY is or what he believes in. How can he expect us to not judge him by his associates when he has given us nothing else to judge him by? Who the fuck is this guy? He has hardly any experience, has been involved in numerous (I will admit, somewhat overblown) controversies, associates himself with some very "interesting" people, and basically claims to believe (although he would highly resent this statement) the same stuff as Hilary, who, in my opinion, has MUCH more experience and personal conviction than him. How he got so popular is mind boggling...
    I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
    -Reagan
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    angelica wrote:
    Well said!! :)


    said aid aid aid

    :D
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    MattyJoe wrote:
    How he got so popular is mind boggling...

    one word: ....Oprah!! You know what Oprah does to books in her bookclub, right??? Instant overnight smash hits!! ;)
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

    http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta

    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    El_Kabong wrote:
    said aid aid aid

    :D
    :D
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

    http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta

    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    angelica wrote:
    one word: ....Oprah!! You know what Oprah does to books in her bookclub, right??? Instant overnight smash hits!! ;)


    omg, someone at work told me once they supported obama b/c oprah does and oprah would only support someone really good....mind boggling oggling oggling oggling

    oprah and self publicity, autobiographies and a constant media tour pretty much since he was elected to the senate
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • binger
    binger Posts: 179
    Allright allright...I'll vote for him. Do you think we'll win?
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • binger
    binger Posts: 179
    Cause if we don't. It's Bush for another 4 years. I have a daughter. I don't think she can afford that.
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • MattyJoe
    MattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    binger wrote:
    Cause if we don't. It's Bush for another 4 years. I have a daughter. I don't think she can afford that.

    Are you serious??
    I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
    -Reagan
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    El_Kabong wrote:
    omg, someone at work told me once they supported obama b/c oprah does and oprah would only support someone really good....mind boggling oggling oggling oggling

    oprah and self publicity, autobiographies and a constant media tour pretty much since he was elected to the senate
    The funny thing is that Oprah is the media version of Obama...so I so get their kinship. They both have great potential!! For enlightenment! Both, however, are held back by the pandering to the "masses". (...aka aligning with mediocrity...and yes, for the record, I realize the irony of my meager self saying this about two such "celebs"! :D )
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

    http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta

    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • binger
    binger Posts: 179
    MattyJoe wrote:
    Are you serious??

    If things keep going the way they are she'll be paying 10-15 for gas and that seems conservative. She'll be 16 in a few years so yeah little serious.
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • MattyJoe
    MattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    binger wrote:
    If things keep going the way they are she'll be paying 10-15 for gas and that seems conservative. She'll be 16 in a few years so yeah little serious.

    No about "Bush for another 4 years."
    I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
    -Reagan
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    binger wrote:
    Wow! Wouldn't want to meet that guy in a dark alley. Surprised there aren't horns.

    "These seven Wall Street firms are (in order of money given): Goldman Sachs, UBS AG, Lehman Brothers, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse. There is also a large hedge fund, Citadel Investment Group, which is a major source of fee income to Wall Street. There are five large corporate law firms that are also registered lobbyists; and one is a corporate law firm that is no longer a registered lobbyist but does legal work for Wall Street. The cumula*tive total of these 14 contributors through February 1, 2008, was $2,872,128, and we’re still in the primary season."

    According to what I've heard (too lazy to look it up) Obama has recieved 100 million(guessing sort of) in donations. I wouldn't call that being in the pocket of lobbyists. I believe that is McCain's job. Obama's average donation is around $100 dollars and he's winning. What more do you want from a candidate. The truth? Kucinich tried that and he lost. Nader isn't a viable candidate but he belongs somewhere in government. Hillary is McCain lite and McCain is Bush. I guess I don't see what the problem is.

    McCain is Bush? Then how come I don't know one Republican who wants to vote for him? Most I know would rather elect Bush to a third term than McCain.

    Seriously ... the McSame ... McBush ... crap is just that ... crap.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do

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