why does obama say he opposes the war in iraq???

El_Kabong
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edited April 2008 in A Moving Train
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0804/16/gb.01.html

from tonights glenn beck:

Hey, T.J., allow me to play for you a short piece of audio. This is what Barack Obama said to me on this issue. It`s what I wish I`d hear more from Hillary in a similar fashion. Roll it.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

SEN. BARACK OBAMA (D-IL), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: That`s part of the reason that I`ve been a critic from the start of the war in Iraq. It`s not that I was opposed to war. It`s that I felt we had a war that we had not finished. And al Qaeda is stronger now than at any time since 2001. And we`ve got to do something about that, because those guys have a safe haven there, and they are still planning to do Americans harm. But if they don`t, we shouldn`t need permission to go after some of these folks that killed 3,000 Americans.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

SMERCONISH: I agree with him. And when he said it, you know, he was ridiculed from both the Clinton quarters and from John McCain. What`s your thought?

T.J. ROONEY, CHAIRMAN OF DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN PENNSYLVANIA: You know, I certainly know that Senator Clinton is as committed to bringing bin Laden and al-Zawahiri to justice as anybody else.

So -- so, I understand, Michael, that you have strong feelings on the issue and you`ve had an opportunity to have a dialogue with Senator Obama. But make no mistake: Senator Clinton is as anxious as anybody else in America. We`re all anxious to see that justice is served.

SMERCONISH: Congressman Fattah, why doesn`t this get discussions in the debates? Why is there not discourse? I mean the short time the three of us are going to spend together will exceed the amount of time that this issue has been raised in any of the presidential debates so far.

REP. CHAKA FATTAH (D), PENNSYLVANIA: Well, look, when Barack Obama, Senator Obama, said that he would go after bin Laden, he was ridiculed. He was criticized by many of the pundits and the fellow Democrats, all of whom were in the race at the time, saying that, how could you go and attack an ally or this and that.

First of all, he never said that he`ll attack an ally. But he would act to get bin Laden wherever he might be, especially if he was in Pakistan. And we lost young people and not so young right here from Philadelphia, in this attack on 9/11.

But, I think what the important point is, is that because Barack Obama opposed the war in Iraq, some people perceive him to be, you know, a dove. What he has said consistently from day one, is he opposes the war in Iraq, ***because he thinks that the real enemy is in Afghanistan and in Pakistan. And that`s the war where we should be putting our focus and our resources.***

The joint command has said, factually, on the record, that we don`t have enough troops in Afghanistan, and we can`t put more in unless we can get them out of Iraq.


******and afghanistan and pakistan is exactly where the troops from iraq will go!

so he's saying he only opposed the war in iraq b/c we hadn't finished the other war we were in??


to put his quote in some more context i did a search and found a bigger part of the discussion from the audio clip at the start of the post

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/news/article.asp?docKey=600-200803241621KRTRIB__BUSNEWS_41500-1F2LCM0L7ARE2OHH31L8BADJUO&timestamp=03/24/2008%204:21%20PM%20ET&headline=Obama%2C%20Smerconish%20talk%20church%2C%20bin%20Laden%20%5BThe%20Philadelphia%20Inquirer%5D&docSource=Knight%20Ridder/Tribune&provider=ACQUIREMEDIA&symbol=GE

Smerconish: "Pakistan . . . it looks like for six-and-a-half years we've been outsourcing the hunt for bin Laden to a guy [President Musharraf of Pakistan] with no motivation to get him. Do you agree with my assessment?"

Obama: "Absolutely. You may be aware of the fact that I made a speech in August, you remember that I got criticized . . .

Smerconish: "Not by me, Senator, I applauded you."

Obama: "I know. Sen. Clinton, Sen. McCain and George Bush all suggested that I said something wrong when I said we should be going after bin Laden, in high-value targets, and if we've got him in our sites, we should ask for Pakistan's cooperation, we should ask Pakistan to take him out. But if they don't, we shouldn't need permission to go after folks that killed 3,000 Americans.

"In fact, ironically, I think you may know, that several weeks ago we took out the third-ranking al- Qaeda member and we implemented exactly that strategy that I have been criticized for. We used one of those drones. We got the guy in our targets, in our sights, we informed the Pakistan government, we didn't wait for them. . . ."

"That's part of the reason I've been a critic from the start of the war in Iraq. It's not that I was opposed to war, it's that I felt that we had a war that we had not finished. Al-Qaeda is stronger now than at any point since 2001, and we've got to do something about it because those guys have a safe haven there and they are still planning to do Americans harm, and my job as commander in chief is to going to be to protect Americans."

Smerconish: "John McCain says he'd follow him to the gates of hell. I just want him followed to the border of Pakistan."

Obama: "I'm not sure whether you stole my line or I stole yours, because that's exactly what I said in a speech on Thursday. If you're going to follow him to the gates of hell, why don't you just start by going to where he is right now?"
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    "there is no way to peace, peace is the way." Gandhi
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    another anti-obama thread...

    keep focusing your enegery on the worng person while the world goes up in flames...
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Everything you have in bold I agree with 100%. He's for a war on the people who killed 3,000 Americans. Oh my God, what a fucking hawk.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Everything you have in bold I agree with 100%. He's for a war on the people who killed 3,000 Americans. Oh my God, what a fucking hawk.

    i think that was the reason for zero replies for a week...
  • your're blind and brainwashed if you still think, with all the information and inconsistencies, that Al Quaeda were behind 9/11. Really time to wake up.....Obama saying that attention needs to be paid to Pakistan?? Common people, this war is just going to keep expanding, and occupation is going to broaden! You are all being manipulated by all three of the main "candidates"! But hey, I know, i'm a conspiracy theorist, and it's a waste of time writing this post.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    your're blind and brainwashed if you still think, with all the information and inconsistencies, that Al Quaeda were behind 9/11. Really time to wake up.....Obama saying that attention needs to be paid to Pakistan?? Common people, this war is just going to keep expanding, and occupation is going to broaden! You are all being manipulated by all three of the main "candidates"! But hey, I know, i'm a conspiracy theorist, and it's a waste of time writing this post.

    Jesus, does everything have to turn into a fucking 9/11 conspiracy thread on here? What the fuck do I know though, I'm just a sheep.

    However, what do "common people" have to do with the price of tea in China?
  • Jzacur
    Jzacur Posts: 64
    Um he's saying we need to expand it in to Pakistan because for about 2 years we were shipping tens of millions of dollars a month to Musharraf to get Al Qaeda and he had just been hoarding the money. He's not advocating a slash and burn invasion, but if Osama Bin Laden is such an enemy to the United States and the Christian World he needs to be apprehended and brought to justice.
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  • 9/11 is the justification for all the shit which is happening! This should never be forgotten or denied, because then the justifications for any upcoming attacks will not be clear, and the static with grow to the point where we don't remember why or how anything was started.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    yaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwn
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    my2hands wrote:
    another anti-obama thread...

    keep focusing your enegery on the worng person while the world goes up in flames...


    please read this. questioning a candidates intentions and weighing his past remarks to his present remarks is not an anti- anything...

    its your type of thinking that led good people probably much like yourself to follow around a tyrant like hitler...


    now... before you confuse things... im not comparing hitler to obama or the other way aorund... im saying its dangerous to put total faith in any human being while at the same time.. paralleling his every thought with yours and not asking why or when or how....
  • Obama is right. We should have been fighting the people housing Al Queda the entire time.

    Also 9/11 was not a conspiracy. There are WAY to many people who would have to be involved to pull off a conspiracy of that magnitude. There would have had to been involvement at every level of the government, NYC officials, the Airlines themselves.

    You really think that many people could hold onto a secret of that magnitude.

    The 9/11 TRUTH is that we were attacked by Muslim Terrorists who don't like our Middle East and Israel policies. Because so many innocent civilians died we need to bring the perpetrators to justice. LIKE ANY OTHER COUNTRY THAT WAS ATTACKED WOULD DO. That is the key point in my eyes.

    Bush is a tool and a fool for wasting so much time and lives in Iraq. He'll have to live with the blood on his hands for the rest of his life. But he's still not evil enough to kill 3,000 civilains Firemen, NYPD, etc on 9/11 just to make more money.
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  • So Obama would be all for starting the Iraq war only if we had finished the job first in Afghanistan? and you guys are all cool with that?


    Interesting....

    Some people around here have been changing their tune by the minute.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • pj10alive42
    pj10alive42 Posts: 381
    Jzacur wrote:
    Um he's saying we need to expand it in to Pakistan because for about 2 years we were shipping tens of millions of dollars a month to Musharraf to get Al Qaeda and he had just been hoarding the money. He's not advocating a slash and burn invasion, but if Osama Bin Laden is such an enemy to the United States and the Christian World he needs to be apprehended and brought to justice.

    This post troubles me.
    I'm trying to drink away the part of the day I cannot sleep away...
  • This post troubles me.


    I get troubled more and more by what people are subscribing to in order to support Obama. Oh well, though...at least we know now.
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    So Obama would be all for starting the Iraq war only if we had finished the job first in Afghanistan? and you guys are all cool with that?


    where did he say he would invade Irak...?


    I missed that part..
  • inmytree wrote:
    where did he say he would invade Irak...?


    I missed that part..


    "That's part of the reason I've been a critic from the start of the war in Iraq. It's not that I was opposed to war, it's that I felt that we had a war that we had not finished. Al-Qaeda is stronger now than at any point since 2001"
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    "That's part of the reason I've been a critic from the start of the war in Iraq. It's not that I was opposed to war, it's that I felt that we had a war that we had not finished. Al-Qaeda is stronger now than at any point since 2001"

    again...

    where did he say "I would invade irak"...?
  • inmytree wrote:
    again...

    where did he say "I would invade irak"...?


    I read that as he's against Iraq bc we didnt finish the job in Afghanistan first.

    What did you get out of it then?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    I read that as he's against Iraq bc we didnt finish the job in Afghanistan first.

    What did you get out of it then?

    I got: we should have solely focused on getting OBL...
  • inmytree wrote:
    I got: we should have solely focused on getting OBL...

    Then why say it's the reason he opposed the Iraq invasion then. Why not say he opposed it because it was based on lies and the afghan war wasn't?

    He sounds more and more like a pro-war type and I feel better about not voting for him everytime I read this more of this posturing.

    If he's trying to sell himself as tough on terror in an effort to take votes from McCain...I will say, do you remember John Kerry??
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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