Putin attacks 'dangerous' U.S

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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Last Exodus wrote:
    Putin is giving Ahmadnijad the tools to build Nuclear weapons and we're the one's who are dangerous???? Cmon now.


    didn't halliburton do business w/ iran a few years ago...work and parts that could be used in nuclear production? i think so...but it's always everyone else, right? there's never a mess in our backyard
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    mammasan wrote:
    That probabaly is his motive. Didn't Russia just provide Iran with new surface to air missle defense system. Putin is the worst thing to happen to Russia since Chernobyl.

    Chernobyl happened to Ukraine, not Russia. And was, in fact, during the Soviet era, just refreshing your memory since you seem to think it happend in Russia. (i know it wasn't your main point)

    Also, what's wrong with selling air defense missiles to Iran? Iran has no history of starting wars or anything. Not only that, but Russia didn't give them supplies for nuclear WEAPONS but for nuclear ENERGY. Just because idiots like the US think they want weapons, doesn't make it true.
  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    El_Kabong wrote:
    didn't halliburton do business w/ iran a few years ago...work and parts that could be used in nuclear production? i think so...but it's always everyone else, right? there's never a mess in our backyard

    lol is putin a hero to you now?
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    _FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:
    Chernobyl happened to Ukraine, not Russia. And was, in fact, during the Soviet era, just refreshing your memory since you seem to think it happend in Russia. (i know it wasn't your main point)

    Also, what's wrong with selling air defense missiles to Iran? Iran has no history of starting wars or anything. Not only that, but Russia didn't give them supplies for nuclear WEAPONS but for nuclear ENERGY. Just because idiots like the US think they want weapons, doesn't make it true.

    I realize that Chernobyl was in the Ukraine. I was refering to Russia as in the Soviet Union. There is nothing wrong with selling military hardware to another country, we do it as well. I just find it a bit hipocritical that Putin, however true his statement maybe, is calling the US dangerous when his country does the same.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    mammasan wrote:
    I realize that Chernobyl was in the Ukraine. I was refering to Russia as in the Soviet Union. There is nothing wrong with selling military hardware to another country, we do it as well. I just find it a bit hipocritical that Putin, however true his statement maybe, is calling the US dangerous when his country does the same.

    he does nowhere near as much as the US does though, so it's not as hypocritical as you think.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    miller8966 wrote:
    lol is putin a hero to you now?
    Try reading, miller.
    El_Kabong wrote:
    you are aware that you can agree w/ someone you dislike or normally disagree w/, right? the world isn't so black and white. i dislike putin, i think he's a thug, but how is what he said wrong? that is the point pj&t was asking, the one you are avoiding.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • gossardstradlin
    gossardstradlin Posts: 324
    _FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:
    he does nowhere near as much as the US does though, so it's not as hypocritical as you think.


    It is ironic though given Putin's record with Middle Eastern countries and Chechnya (Sp) that he is so concerned about Middle Eastern countries welfare from the US overstepping its boundaries.
    "She knows there is no success like failure
    And that failure's no success at all."

    "Don't ya think its sometimes wise not to grow up."

    "Cause life ain't nothing but a good groove
    A good mixed tape to put you in the right mood."
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    gossardstradlin wrote:
    It is ironic though given Putin's record with Middle Eastern countries and Chechnya (Sp) that he is so concerned about Middle Eastern countries welfare from the US overstepping its boundaries.

    History with Middle Eastern countries? Besides, Iran (which is a good history), can you clarify what else you are referring to? Also, US overstepping its boundaries, regardless of WHERE it oversteps its boundaries, effects the entire world.
  • gossardstradlin
    gossardstradlin Posts: 324
    _FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:
    History with Middle Eastern countries? Besides, Iran (which is a good history), can you clarify what else you are referring to? Also, US overstepping its boundaries, regardless of WHERE it oversteps its boundaries, effects the entire world.

    My bad. Not Putin, Soviet Union. (Afganistan).

    True, but I am just making a point that Russia does not have a squeaky clean record in Europe, and its not that recent (1989) since its collapse.

    Hey I am not saying we have a clean record I am just saying he is talking, IMO, out of both sides of his mouth, he is politcally posturing.
    "She knows there is no success like failure
    And that failure's no success at all."

    "Don't ya think its sometimes wise not to grow up."

    "Cause life ain't nothing but a good groove
    A good mixed tape to put you in the right mood."
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    _FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:
    Chernobyl happened to Ukraine, not Russia. And was, in fact, during the Soviet era, just refreshing your memory since you seem to think it happend in Russia. (i know it wasn't your main point)

    Also, what's wrong with selling air defense missiles to Iran? Iran has no history of starting wars or anything. Not only that, but Russia didn't give them supplies for nuclear WEAPONS but for nuclear ENERGY. Just because idiots like the US think they want weapons, doesn't make it true.


    I guess the IAEA isn't a relevant source on this one either then?
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    _FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:
    History with Middle Eastern countries? Besides, Iran (which is a good history), can you clarify what else you are referring to? Also, US overstepping its boundaries, regardless of WHERE it oversteps its boundaries, effects the entire world.

    Hmm. How about Russian occupation of the mostly Muslim regions of Central Asia for nearly a century...There is no love lost between the Muslims and the Russians. All im saying is dig beneath the mans words and get to his motives. Instability around the world only enriches Russias arms and Nuke business. They could give two shits about world peace. Never have, never will.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    gossardstradlin wrote:
    It is ironic though given Putin's record with Middle Eastern countries and Chechnya (Sp) that he is so concerned about Middle Eastern countries welfare from the US overstepping its boundaries.

    He didn't refer specifically to the Middle East. I don't think any country feels safe anymore in light of America's unilateral, pre-emptive aggression. This is probably the whole point. The Bush Administartion has sent out a message to the world that if you don't toe the line and submit to America's business interests, then they will bribe you, and intimadate you, and maybe bomb the shit out of you.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    _FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:
    he does nowhere near as much as the US does though, so it's not as hypocritical as you think.


    How so. I realize that the US has done some pretty damn shitty things to other countries, but Russia is right up there with us. Look at what Putin is doing in his own country. The man is practically dismantling free speech in his own country.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    I found this article in the CS Monitor. It is intersting considering Putin's recent comments.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0212/p04s01-woeu.html?page=1
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    miller8966 wrote:
    lol is putin a hero to you now?


    you guys are pathetic...when did anyone say or act like putin was some grand hero or fearless leader?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    hippiemom wrote:
    Try reading, miller.

    it probably makes his head hurt...if only we could make some sor tof pop-up message board for him and last exodous...maybe then they wouldn't have such bad comprehension problems
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    gossardstradlin wrote:
    It is ironic though given Putin's record with Middle Eastern countries and Chechnya (Sp) that he is so concerned about Middle Eastern countries welfare from the US overstepping its boundaries.


    but the world should do as the US says...the country that overthrew a democratic Iran in the 50's...a country that created, armed and trained death squads all over the world so our thug puppet could keep the ppl in check...it's just funny we act like we're some bastions of decency and democracy yet we do a lot worse things than others...but then we use those smaller things to say we can't trust them!
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    mammasan wrote:
    I found this article in the CS Monitor. It is intersting considering Putin's recent comments.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0212/p04s01-woeu.html?page=1

    should a link be posted about us breaking the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and are building NEW nukes <while we tell the IAEA they are NOT allowed to inspect our weapons or sites> while we tell iran they better not violate the npt? isn't this pretty much the same thing?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • breakmarysfall
    breakmarysfall Posts: 368
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Putin attacks 'very dangerous' US

    Saturday, 10 February 2007, 12:28 GMT

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has attacked the United States for what he said was its "almost uncontained" use of force around the world.

    America's "very dangerous" approach to global relations was fuelling a nuclear arms race, he told a security summit.

    Correspondents say the strident speech may signal a more assertive Russia.

    Earlier German chancellor Angela Merkel told the delegates in Munich that the international community was determined to stop Iran getting nuclear weapons.

    Iranian nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani is among delegates at the conference.

    The conference, founded in 1962, has become an annual opportunity for world leaders to discuss the most pressing issues of the day.

    Mr Putin told senior security officials from around the world that nations were "witnessing an almost uncontained hyper use of force in international relations".

    "One state, the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way," the Russian president said.

    "This is very dangerous. Nobody feels secure anymore because nobody can hide behind international law," he said, speaking through a translator.

    "This is nourishing an arms race with the desire of countries to get nuclear weapons."

    BBC defence and security correspondent Rob Watson, in Munich, said Mr Putin's speech was a strident performance.

    It may well be remembered as a turning point in international relations and a sign of a more assertive Russia, our correspondent says.

    Western leaders in the audience, including Mrs Merkel, looked decidedly glum-faced when President Putin had finished, our correspondent adds.

    Earlier, Mrs Merkel told delegates there was "no way around" the need for Tehran to accept demands from the UN and nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

    "What we are talking about here is a very, very sensitive technology, and for that reason we need a high degree of transparency, which Iran has failed to provide, and if Iran does not do so then the alternative for Iran is to slip further into isolation," she said.

    Mr Larijani was set to tell delegates that Iran wants nuclear power, not nuclear weapons.

    "We believe the Iranian nuclear dossier is resolvable by negotiation," Mr Larijani was quoted by Reuters news agency as saying on the sidelines of the conference.

    European diplomats are hoping to hold informal talks with Mr Larijani at the two-day summit.

    It would be their first meeting since the collapse of talks last year and the imposition of limited UN sanctions on Tehran for its failure to stop the enrichment of uranium.

    On Friday, the IAEA said it had frozen about half of technical aid projects involving Iran.

    It said the move was to comply with UN sanctions imposed on Tehran late last year over its refusal to halt uranium enrichment.

    An IAEA report said 22 technical aid projects involving Iran had been suspended to comply with the UN sanctions, which call for an end to programmes that could be exploited by Iran to develop nuclear weapons.

    The IAEA gives technical aid to dozens of countries on the peaceful use of nuclear energy in fields such as medicine, agriculture and power generation.



    ...this news caught my attention as well.
    And I want to share my high loaded opinion on this:

    Believe me, I am not a fan of Russia and Mr. Putin. Too much mystery and way too much manipulation by the power elite let me feel NOT GOOD at all about Russia -it seems not being very democratic there-
    But the DJ of my favourite radio station analyzed the Russian population view on this subject today:
    and so I heard one russian woman saying pretty cool: why being so excited about Mr. Putins words? Isn't he just only speaking out what the half of the world-population thinks.

    I have to double this.

    I am glad Mr. Putin spoke out those attacks, cause in this one I fully agree with Mr. Putin.
    The USA only focuses on military option. And wants to build a defending- shield over Europe to protect us from bombs.
    But the bombs are bolted around bodies those days. ... who needs a shield then those days? defenately not Europe!!!
    But this only says to me, that finally Europe would pay the bill for even more wars... cause by buying this shield we strengthen the big big US military industry... for more WAR.

    ... arghhh.
    but as I said: I am defenately not very pro Russia... I do not want to live there or like their style. ... but well... there are so many big powerful countries around the world by now... the game between two options is over ,

    as we although have the chinese way or the indian way or the muslim way or the african one or even the south american and kuba way.
    ..soo many countries... so, hopefully big Mr. Putin woke up this country called USA, that should soon become a team player, too!!!
    there is no way to peace, peace is the way!
    ...the world is come undone, I like to change it everyday but change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks.
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    El_Kabong wrote:
    it probably makes his head hurt...if only we could make some sor tof pop-up message board for him and last exodous...maybe then they wouldn't have such bad comprehension problems
    arent you late for your death to america rally?

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