Mos Def Arrested While Performing 'Katrina Clap' outside the VMAs

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  • Skitch Patterson
    Skitch Patterson Posts: 642
    robbie wrote:
    illiterate thug is the right wing translation for black man.


    Yeah, and you're just as guilty as the guy who said Mos Def was a thug
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    PaperPlates wrote:
    an illiterate thug


    and how did you arrive at this conclusion? do you even know anything about him or are you just making a blanket, bigoted, racist comment based on nothing but...well...racism?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    SweetHarmonics wrote:
    racist generalization, this adds nothing to the discussion

    Nor did this post. Guess both of us will be reprimanded. ;)
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  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    El_Kabong wrote:
    and how did you arrive at this conclusion? do you even know anything about him or are you just making a blanket, bigoted, racist comment based on nothing but...well...racism?

    You see the sun come up every day, you sorta begin to count on it as fact.


    know what im sayin?
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    PaperPlates wrote:
    You see the sun come up every day, you sorta begin to count on it as fact.


    know what im sayin?


    count what as fact? that black = illiterate thug??
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 27,052
    this thread is about to get interesting........
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    El_Kabong wrote:
    count what as fact? that black = illiterate thug??

    Please stop trolling and baiting me Kabong.

    Im sure he's a fucking poet.

    Id love to have a discussion with him. However, I dont speak ebonics. Sorry bout that.... Im sure if Liberals take congress (yeah right) , Ebonics will be taught in elementary school. So at least I have that to look forward to right?
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    PaperPlates wrote:
    Please stop trolling and baiting me Kabong.


    god, you're fishing tonight! how is me asking you to back up a statement of yours trolling or baiting? if you have nothing to back up your statement just say so
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    El_Kabong wrote:
    god, you're fishing tonight! how is me asking you to back up a statement of yours trolling or baiting? if you have nothing to back up your statement just say so

    Every good fisherman needs a bait. Please, don't hold worms out for me. I prefer caviar. Rich sleazy republican and all. ;)

    And aren't you technically breaking the forum rules by even responding to me? Takes two to tango, and I've not danced alone alllllllllllllllll night. :)
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    PaperPlates wrote:
    Every good fisherman needs a bait. Please, don't hold worms out for me. I prefer caviar. Rich sleazy republican and all. ;)


    so, i take it you won't enlighten us as to why you feel Mos Def is a 'illiterate thug'? ok, then, no need to continue this discussion
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 27,052
    like where the fuck is Sir Bono and his famous friends now..........

    dont get it twisted man i dig U2............

    BUT IF YOU AINT ABOUT THE GHETTO THAN FUCK YOU TOO............




    the next william shakespeare...........

    or illiterate thug????...............
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  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    like where the fuck is Sir Bono and his famous friends now..........

    dont get it twisted man i dig U2............

    BUT IF YOU AINT ABOUT THE GHETTO THAN FUCK YOU TOO............




    the next william shakespeare...........

    or illiterate thug????...............

    word up?
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 27,052
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I wonder if they would have arrested the Rolling Stones for the same thing?
    actually i would have loved to see THE ROLLING STONES parade down the street singing some rap tunes...

    right after they signed that check for $1,000,000.00 that they donated to the katrina relief fund.....
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  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    actually i would have loved to see THE ROLLING STONES parade down the street singing some rap tunes...

    right after they signed that check for $1,000,000.00 that they donated to the katrina relief fund.....

    Ill 'hip hop' to that!
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    actually i would have loved to see THE ROLLING STONES parade down the street singing some rap tunes...

    right after they signed that check for $1,000,000.00 that they donated to the katrina relief fund.....


    a simple google search would show that mos def is constantly donating money and time to relief efforts of all sorts as well as performing shows where ALL the $ goes to the cause...anyway, what does it matter how much they gave if they would be arrested or not? and when the stones sued the verve for bitter sweet symphony (when it was used in a commerical) didn't the verve ask if they would contribute their share of the commercial proceeds to a charity, like they did, and the stones said no and kept the $?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mos_Def

    On Mos Def's 2004 album The New Danger, the rapper took his penchant for experimentation to a new level. Most of the songs were more hip-hop flavored stylings of blues and rock, with fewer raps thrown in. This threw off fans who were expecting another full-blown rap album. The New Danger also featured the controversial song, "The Rape Over", a parody of Jay-Z's The Blueprint hit "The Takeover":

    Old white men is runnin' this rap shit,
    Corporate forces runnin' this rap shit,
    Some tall Israeli is runnin' this rap shit,
    We poke out our asses for a chance to cash in.
    Cocaine, is runnin' this rap shit,
    'Dro, 'yac and e-pills is runnin this rap shit,
    MTV is runnin' this rap shit,
    Viacom is runnin' this rap shit,
    AOL and Time Warner runnin' this rap shit,
    Quasi - homosexuals is runnin' this rap shit.

    High-placed executives temporarily made Mos take the song off releases of the album, citing clearance issues with Jay-Z and The Doors, a band which the song samples. The song has been called anti-zionist for its veiled reference to Lyor Cohen (the "tall Israeli" who then was head of the The Island Def Jam Music Group), and homophobic for its reference to "quasi-homosexuals." [3]

    Mos and Immortal Technique released a similarly controversial song, "Bin Laden" in 2005, which blamed the Reagan Doctrine and President George W. Bush for the September 11, 2001 attacks. A club remix song, featuring Eminem, was released the following year, in 2005.

    Color me surprised you like this "artist". "great" minds think alike.
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 27,052
    El_Kabong wrote:
    a simple google search would show that mos def is constantly donating money and time to relief efforts of all sorts as well as performing shows where ALL the $ goes to the cause...anyway, what does it matter how much they gave if they would be arrested or not? and when the stones sued the verve for bitter sweet symphony (when it was used in a commerical) didn't the verve ask if they would contribute their share of the commercial proceeds to a charity, like they did, and the stones said no and kept the $?
    the rolling stones sued the verve????

    are you sure you have your facts straight?????

    or did the stones former manager sue???
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    actually i would have loved to see THE ROLLING STONES parade down the street singing some rap tunes...

    right after they signed that check for $1,000,000.00 that they donated to the katrina relief fund.....

    Yeah me too, I definitely wouldn't want them arrested for simply performing a song about a good cause, that they had aleady finished, and actually complied with the police and packed up without a fuss. The point is there was no reason to go to the extent of arresting Mos Def, fine him...sure, but they went overboard. And I'm just seriously doubting if they would have arrested The Stones, Jessica Simpson or NSync.


    Mos Def is a very articulate and extremely talented poet, watch Def Poetry Jam on HBO sometime.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Yeah me too, I definitely wouldn't want them arrested for simply performing a song about a good cause, that they had aleady finished, and actually complied with the police and packed up without a fuss. The point is there was no reason to go to the extent of arresting Mos Def, fine him...sure, but they went overboard. And I'm just seriously doubting if they would have arrested The Stones, Jessica Simpson or NSync.


    Mos Def is a very articulate and extremely talented poet, watch Def Poetry Jam on HBO sometime.

    Well thats easy to doubt tho, because its easy to doubt that they'd even be there doing that. And besides, if they did want to do something like that, Im sure their manager would have enough brains to find out if a permit was needed prior to. So your point is moo.



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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    the rolling stones sued the verve????

    are you sure you have your facts straight?????

    or did the stones former manager sue???

    he may have had a hand in it and started it, but who got the $? the stones

    http://www.superswell.com/samplelaw/horror.html

    What ensued was a bitter (and not sweet) legal battle resulting in The Verve turning over 100% of the royalties to the Rolling Stones. The Rolling Stones argued that The Verve had violated the previous licensing agreement by using too much of the sample in their song. The Verve argued that The Rolling Stones got greedy when the song became successful. Herein lies the issue of moral rights of a samplist.

    "The last thing I ever wanted was for my music to be used in a commercial. I'm still sick about it", The Verve's lead singer Richard Ashcroft said in a recent interview. So, that's exactly what Rolling Stones manager Allen Klein did. Capitalizing off the success of the song, Klein licensed The Verve's "Bittersweet Symphony" to Nike, who proceeded to run a multi-million dollar television campaign using The Verve's song over shots of its sneakers. Klein also used the song to hawk Vauxhall automobiles. Additionally, though the song was authored by The Rolling Stones, the Andrew Loog Oldham Orchestra performed the sampled recording and also filed suit upon the success of the song. (Herein lies a fine caveat to license both the recording and composition rights from whomever maintains them.) To add even more insult to injury, when "Bittersweet Symphony" was nominated for a Grammy, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards were named the nominees and not The Verve. What could be more "Bittersweet" than your song reaching the top of the charts and not being able to enjoy a cent of its success?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Klein

    On their song "Bittersweet Symphony", the British outfit The Verve sampled an orchestration from The Rolling Stones' "The Last Time", the rights to which are owned by Allen Klein's ABKCO Industries. Before the release of the album, The Verve negotiated a licensing agreement with Klein, who administers the Stones catalogue, to use the sample - at least the composition rights to the sample. In 1997, The Verve's album Urban Hymns peaked at No. 23 on the Billboard charts. A bitter legal battle ensued, resulting in The Verve turning over 100% of the royalties to ABKCO. Klein argued that The Verve had violated the previous licensing agreement by using too much of the sample in their song. The Verve argued that Klein got greedy when the song became successful. Capitalizing off the success of the song, Klein licensed The Verve's "Bittersweet Symphony" to Nike, who proceeded to run a multi-million dollar television campaign using The Verve's song over shots of its sneakers. Klein also allowed the song to be used in advertisements for Vauxhall automobiles. (Additionally, though the song was authored by The Rolling Stones, the Andrew Loog Oldham Orchestra performed the sampled recording, and also filed suit upon the success of the song. When "Bittersweet Symphony" was nominated for a Grammy Award, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards were named as the nominees, and not The Verve)


    soooo...HE licensed the song to the commercial, and then sued over it??
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way

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