Paper: Israel Plans Nuclear Strike On Iran

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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    redrock wrote:
    Read my post above!!!!!

    Still... US and Israel are in it together... with past actions, can't trust it's only a little saber rattling....

    Well let's just hope it's saber rattling. I don't think we need Israel fucking up ther situation in the Middle East anymore than it already is.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    mammasan wrote:
    Well let's just hope it's saber rattling. I don't think we need Israel fucking up ther situation in the Middle East anymore than it already is.

    I don't even want to start thinking what the impact of such a strike could be!
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    PaperPlates wrote:
    Whats with nations and their inability to keep a secret? Who's making these "secret" plans, and do they have any hope of success when they can't even keep a fuckin secret? Maybe this is just Israel flexing their muscles a bit. Otherwise, we'd not be reading of "secret plans", instead we'd be reading about the aftermath.
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    Historically, it has been someone or more than one persons in the chain that does not believe the 'plan' is such a good idea. German scientists and commanders notified Allied intelligence of Hitler's plan to develop an atomic weapon which lead to bombing raids on development and manufacturing facilities. Some in the German command thought that Hitler with an atomic bomb and a viable and tested delivery system, the V-2 rocket, would not be such a good thing... even for Germany's sake.
    My guess is that someone or some persons do not think a tactical nuclear attack is in Israel's best interest, given the geographic location of their nation. Such an attack has a high probability of resulting in escalated attacks on Israel from several neighboring Arab nations and promote the hostilities, pretty much making sure that any diplomatic negotiations non-existant.
    This a completely different world with a completely different set of consequences than 2 decades ago when Israel airstrikes took out Iraq's burgeoning nuclear development. One main factor to consider... 135,000 American troops within striking distance of Arab/Persian reprisals. Specifically, what affect would such an attack have on the unstable Shi'ia dominated Iraqi Government and more importantly... the Iraqi (Shi'ite) forces embedded with U.S. forces?
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    I don't buy it, that would be the stupidest move Israel could make.

    That alone would generate another century of hate towards Israel.

    I don't think Israel should get too cocky either. Flexing too much muscle can backfire. I'll use another WWII example :) Hitler thought he had air domination and land domination. He couldn't foresee what the allies would develop and deploy. I know for a fact that arabs aren't stupid, they are just as intelligent as any American or Israeli. I can guarantee they have secret weapons programs and will throughout the course of time develop an indefensible weapon. They will gain the advantage eventually. When they do there will be billions of them with a century of hate.

    Y'all should check out "Xavier Naidoo - Who I Am" from his unreleased all-English album "Seeing is believing". The whole album is really good and his voice is absolutely awesome. I also recommend his album "Telegramm für X" I'm not exactly fluent in German, but I gather from the cover of his album, some of the lyrics and his concert in Tel-Aviv, that he has a lot of insight into the conflict and writes some awesome lyrics. It's unfortunate, apparently he went to the U.S. and created "Seeing is believing" but his career first took off in Germany or something and the album was never released. Thankfully someone put it online at http://www.torrent.to I don't know if that's illegal, but fuck, the music is really good.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I don't buy it, that would be the stupidest move Israel could make.

    That alone would generate another century of hate towards Israel.

    I don't think Israel should get too cocky either. Flexing too much muscle can backfire. I'll use another WWII example :) Hitler thought he had air domination and land domination. He couldn't foresee what the allies would develop and deploy. I know for a fact that arabs aren't stupid, they are just as intelligent as any American or Israeli. I can guarantee they have secret weapons programs and will throughout the course of time develop an indefensible weapon. They will gain the advantage eventually. When they do there will be billions of them with a century of hate.

    Y'all should check out "Xavier Naidoo - Who I Am" from his unreleased all-English album "Seeing is believing". The whole album is really good and his voice is absolutely awesome. I also recommend his album "Telegramm für X" I'm not exactly fluent in German, but I gather from the cover of his album, some of the lyrics and his concert in Tel-Aviv, that he has a lot of insight into the conflict and writes some awesome lyrics. It's unfortunate, apparently he went to the U.S. and created "Seeing is believing" but his career first took off in Germany or something and the album was never released. Thankfully someone put it online at http://www.torrent.to I don't know if that's illegal, but fuck, the music is really good.
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    A freightening aspect is the precedent we (U.S.) has set with our 'Pre-Emptive First Strike' doctrine. How do we negotiate with Israel to talk them down from this course of action when we are the ones who basically wrote the book? I know... Israel executed a pre-emptive strike against the Iraqi facility in the 1980s, but we didn't have a stake in it and were not vulnerable. We also had a lot more support from the Arab world in 1980... something that we have since lost.
    We are in a precarious situation over there and we have 135,000 Americans who are working with a Shi'ite dominated nation. I can pretty much guess how a guy like Muqtada al Sadr will react... and he wields a great deal of influence in Iraq. Imagine Shi'ite soldiers working with our troops... armed and trainned by us... but, with alligence to the Shi'ite majority. I can easily picture them walking into the mess hall and blowing themselves up... getting coordinates to pinpoint U.S. Marine barracks for mortar fire... all kinds of crap. It's fucking scary... and look at who we have as a negotiator... Condelezza Rice.
    We have fucked our military personel already... something like this makes a shitty situation even worse.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    Cosmo wrote:
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    A freightening aspect is the precedent we (U.S.) has set with our 'Pre-Emptive First Strike' doctrine. How do we negotiate with Israel to talk them down from this course of action when we are the ones who basically wrote the book?
    ..and have always supported Israel in everything they did by vetoing UN resolutions unfavourable to Israel and/or turning a blind eye to their actions... As long as the US do that, Israel will feel they will get away with anything.

    Cosmo wrote:
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    We are in a precarious situation over there and we have 135,000 Americans who are working with a Shi'ite dominated nation. I can pretty much guess how a guy like Muqtada al Sadr will react... and he wields a great deal of influence in Iraq. Imagine Shi'ite soldiers working with our troops... armed and trainned by us... but, with alligence to the Shi'ite majority. I can easily picture them walking into the mess hall and blowing themselves up... getting coordinates to pinpoint U.S. Marine barracks for mortar fire... all kinds of crap. It's fucking scary... and look at who we have as a negotiator... Condelezza Rice.

    Iraq is not the only worry... the whole of the middle east could be in flames. I believe it could have global repercussions.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    redrock wrote:
    ..and have always supported Israel in everything they did by vetoing UN resolutions unfavourable to Israel and/or turning a blind eye to their actions... As long as the US do that, Israel will feel they will get away with anything.
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    Iraq is not the only worry... the whole of the middle east could be in flames. I believe it could have global repercussions.
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    I believe it is more of a sabre-rattling because Israel really can't be that stupid. Iran has a loud mouth punk in charge who like to act tough. But, how does the average Iranian Joe feel? I'm pretty sure he doesn't want Israeli nukes raining down on his ass... especially if he remembers how the Iran military could barely scratch out a tie with the U.S. backed Iraq in the 1980s. Iraqs military is a piece of shit and Iran's is even worse.
    Well... actually... I'm HOPING that Israel isn't as stupid as we were. I'm hoping they are just taking a hardline rhetoric tack and using the Reagan philosophy of threatening military aggression and scaring the Iranians to back down, rather than actually using military actions and getting bogged down in a long and costly war with united Arab nations.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    Cosmo wrote:
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    Well... actually... I'm HOPING that Israel isn't as stupid as we were.

    We're all hoping Cosmo..... It wouldn't be the first time though....
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Cosmo wrote:
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    I believe it is more of a sabre-rattling because Israel really can't be that stupid. I'm HOPING that Israel isn't as stupid as we were. I'm hoping they are just taking a hardline rhetoric tack and using the Reagan philosophy of threatening military aggression and scaring the Iranians to back down, rather than actually using military actions and getting bogged down in a long and costly war with united Arab nations.

    They did level lebanon and cause a huge amount of deaths. They also know that no matter what, America will be funding the war with money and missles for them.

    But if they do go after Iran, I think israel will end up doing something that is very hard to do, unite the arabs.
  • SweetHarmonics
    SweetHarmonics Posts: 290
    Israel has plenty of nukes in their own arsenal, quite a pretentious double-standard they are clinging to.

    Iran and Syria shouldn't have to justify their nuclear ambitions...it's pretty damn clear as to why they might want them.
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