B. Palin's pregnancy -- Is it fair to discuss? Is it relevant?

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  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    MrSmith wrote:
    Quit acting like republicans are secretly behind it all.

    They were, and, now just like Cheney who cried foul to the media and democrats after using his lesbian daughter, who served in his campaign as an advisor knowing that his political forum was anti-gay wanted the public to respect her privacy because she was pregnant, they are doing the same thing for Palin's daughter.

    I think it should be irrelevant - she has a right to Pro Choice and she chose to have the child. Frankly, her daughter is just another statistical teenage pregnancy, nothing more, nothing less, just like the many thousands of other young mothers and mother-to-be, but, you can't have it both ways. Palin can't used her daughter to serve the purpose of McCain's agenda and then cry foul when her motives comes under public scrutiny.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    mammasan wrote:
    Gustav hit a few days later,


    Here's another interesting point...RNC cancels most activities for Gustav...liberal media reports on 17 year-old daughter of Rep. VP candidate being pregnant as Gustav hits. Hmmmmmm.....who doesn't care about black people?
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    mammasan wrote:
    There are other ways of proving that the kid is yours. This has nothing to do with the liberal blogosphere and their bullshit stories. This story was going to hit the news this week and it would have been bad if some reporter broke the news to the US on the front page of the NY Times or Washington Post. Yes what they did was strategic by releasing the story when they did but they didn't do it to disprove baseless rumors about Palin and her youngest son.

    Again I have no problem with her daughjter being pregnant. If I was a McCain supporter I would still be a McCain supporter. My problem is with how they handled the situation. It appears as if they where trying to hide the fact, regardless if they where or not. It can also be seen as the campaign trying to divert attention from the ethics investigation into Palin and her hiring a lawyer. Again it could be nothing but it doesn't look good to the public for all this news about her coming out so soon after she is selected as the VP.

    even if all that's true (but i do believe it was in response to rumors), so what?
    they released the story on there own on a big news day to prevent media jackals from doing it on their own. considering that helped shield the poor kid i dont see how this was a bad thing. this doesnt deflect from the Troopergate thing at all. that story has already been out. you wouldnt use this story on a day it would get mostly ignored if you wanted to deflect something. that doesnt make sense.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    cincybearcat wrote:
    And I think it's appropriate to "hide the fact" by not coming out with it. It's noboady's business really.

    That point is irrelevent. The media will make it everyone's business. Yes technically you are right it is no one's business, but a story like that will not stay quiet for long. So what do you do. Do you come forward from the beginning air your dirty laundry and have it done with. Or do you not say anything have it come out anyway and which creates the illusion that you where trying to hide it. The fact that it's no body's business means nothing to the media. I hate to sound cold but it's about damage control. This information can be damaging so what is the best way to handle it. It's unfortunate but there is no such thing as privacy and no body's business when it comes to politics.
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  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Here's another interesting point...RNC cancels most activities for Gustav...liberal media reports on 17 year-old daughter of Rep. VP candidate being pregnant as Gustav hits. Hmmmmmm.....who doesn't care about black people?

    Ah, the liberal media. McCain should just run against them, considering how long they're brought up. The thing about the liberal media is this...

    ...when the most popular news channel on television is not FoxNews.
    ...when Rupert Murdoch is no longer the most powerful and restrictive owner of news publications in America.
    ...when the most popular and successful viral news source is not the Drudge Report.

    ...maybe then we can start talking about there being a rampant liberal media. Till then, it just sounds to be like conservatives are seeing and hearing what they want to see and hear.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    puremagic wrote:
    They were, and, now just like Cheney who cried foul to the media and democrats after using his lesbian daughter, who served in his campaign as an advisor knowing that his political forum was anti-gay wanted the public to respect her privacy because she was pregnant, they are doing the same thing for Palin's daughter.
    .
    oh so the evil republicans forced all those left wingers to post all these bullshit threads and rumors. they are pretty crafty.
  • Skitch Patterson
    Skitch Patterson Posts: 642
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Here's another interesting point...RNC cancels most activities for Gustav...liberal media reports on 17 year-old daughter of Rep. VP candidate being pregnant as Gustav hits. Hmmmmmm.....who doesn't care about black people?


    You know what drove me nuts?
    How judgmental all the news people were about the people that chose to stay behind in New Orleans. Whats more important to you, everything you've ever known in your life... .or your job?
    Most people would say the former... yet here are these news people here for their job with reporters and tv crews.... basically calling those that stayed behind "idiots"
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Staceb10 wrote:
    Just because someone promotes abstinence only doesn't mean they don't explain birth control to their kids. My mother preached abstinence only yet I was aware of birth control as well. Like someone else said, knowing about birth control doesn't mean they use it. IF that was the case then I'm sure our abortion rate would go down.

    Yeah, but just because they explain birth control to their kids doesn't mean they don't make their kids too uncomfortable to come to them if they need to use it. It's knowing about birth control AND having good access to it that makes the abortion rate go down.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    mammasan wrote:
    That point is irrelevent. The media will make it everyone's business. Yes technically you are right it is no one's business, but a story like that will not stay quiet for long. So what do you do. Do you come forward from the beginning air your dirty laundry and have it done with. Or do you not say anything have it come out anyway and which creates the illusion that you where trying to hide it. The fact that it's no body's business means nothing to the media. I hate to sound cold but it's about damage control. This information can be damaging so what is the best way to handle it. It's unfortunate but there is no such thing as privacy and no body's business when it comes to politics.


    NO, you wait until it comes up and say, yep it's true but it's a personal matter.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Here's another interesting point...RNC cancels most activities for Gustav...liberal media reports on 17 year-old daughter of Rep. VP candidate being pregnant as Gustav hits. Hmmmmmm.....who doesn't care about black people?

    Come on, that's Hannity Limbaugh hack ass spin you are talking there. I'm not saying the media should attack this family like vultures, I actually believe the opposite, but they can only blame themselves, the McCain/Palin campaign, for this. Like I said had it been disclosed on Friday we would be sitting here talking about opening weekend for Collge Football.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    digster wrote:
    Ah, the liberal media. McCain should just run against them, considering how long they're brought up. The thing about the liberal media is this...

    ...when the most popular news channel on television is not FoxNews.
    ...when Rupert Murdoch is no longer the most powerful and restrictive owner of news publications in America.
    ...when the most popular and successful viral news source is not the Drudge Report.

    ...maybe then we can start talking about there being a rampant liberal media. Till then, it just sounds to be like conservatives are seeing and hearing what they want to see and hear.

    Oh please, MSNBC is the liberal equivalent of Fox News...and there's only 1 Fox News.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    MrSmith wrote:
    even if all that's true (but i do believe it was in response to rumors), so what?
    they released the story on there own on a big news day to prevent media jackals from doing it on their own. considering that helped shield the poor kid i dont see how this was a bad thing. this doesnt deflect from the Troopergate thing at all. that story has already been out. you wouldnt use this story on a day it would get mostly ignored if you wanted to deflect something. that doesnt make sense.

    True, but I would have just stated it from day one. I also disagree with you about the reasoning. I believe it had nothing to do with liberal bloggers.
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  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    scb wrote:
    Yeah, but just because they explain birth control to their kids doesn't mean they don't make their kids too uncomfortable to come to them if they need to use it. It's knowing about birth control AND having good access to it that makes the abortion rate go down.

    There's really no good, logical defense for abstinence only education. Why only preach one method of birth control? What is wrong with children knowing all of the options and all of the information? I think this is a necessary discussion to have, but I don't think that Palin's daughter's situation should be the impetus that causes us to have it.

    And I must say, anyone who switches their vote from Obama to McCain due to their sympathy for the situation, or anyone who switches their vote from McCain to Obama due to the Palin's "lack of family values", is a complete moron. I can understand the VP choice changing allegiances for other reasons, but not those.
  • meistereder
    meistereder Posts: 1,577
    People keep saying "Palin promotes abstinence." That's NOT the issue. Promoting abstinence is great. Fine. Preaching "abstinence only" as an official policy is quite different.

    Promoting abstinence: nobody has a problem with it.

    Preaching abstinance only: proven not to work as a sex education policy; in play political issue.

    BIG difference.
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    mammasan wrote:
    True, but I would have just stated it from day one..
    i agree with you there. i'm not sure how they could have hidden it for long.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    mammasan wrote:
    Come on, that's Hannity Limbaugh hack ass spin you are talking there. I'm not saying the media should attack this family like vultures, I actually believe the opposite, but they can only blame themselves, the McCain/Palin campaign, for this. Like I said had it been disclosed on Friday we would be sitting here talking about opening weekend for Collge Football.


    Yes you're excusing them for attacking like vultures.

    And yes, when you 3 years ago lambast people for things, and then you go all Entertainment Tonight while a Cat 3 hurricane is hitting near New Orleans again...there's something wrong with that.

    Anyhow, the media doesn't care about black people. Only white people having babies. ;)
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    digster wrote:
    There's really no good, logical defense for abstinence only education.


    This I agree with.
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Anyhow, the media doesn't care about black people. Only white people having babies. ;)
    and white people losing babies.
  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Oh please, MSNBC is the liberal equivalent of Fox News...and there's only 1 Fox News.

    Where's this liberal media you speak about? Is it the same liberal media that let Bush take a cakewalk into Iraq without calling him on his complete incompetence? Is it the same liberal media that has treated the questions about Obama being a closet Muslim with seriousness? Is it the same liberal media that McCain lovingly and jokingly called "his base"? The examples could continue if you want.

    So don't please me just cause there are some pretty striking contradictions to your argument. There's only one MSNBC, by the way.
  • Skitch Patterson
    Skitch Patterson Posts: 642
    digster wrote:
    Where's this liberal media you speak about? Is it the same liberal media that let Bush take a cakewalk into Iraq without calling him on his complete incompetence? Is it the same liberal media that has treated the questions about Obama being a closet Muslim with seriousness? Is it the same liberal media that McCain lovingly and jokingly called "his base"? The examples could continue if you want.

    So don't please me just cause there are some pretty striking contradictions to your argument. There's only one MSNBC, by the way.


    yay! liberal media arguments!

    If you look at the media as a whole, its actually pretty balanced.. the print media is decidedly liberal. The Radio Media is decidedly Conservative. The Television Media has its fair share of both.

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