Nader: Obama 'talking white'
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Abookamongstthemany wrote:I didn't claim they had. People on this very board said no one would pay Nader any attention this time and that has turned out to be very wrong.
kidding aside... are you serious?
no one is paying attention to nader. honestly the only place i ever see his name is on here? am i missing something?0 -
my2hands wrote:i never said "face it" and have not rammed anything down anyones throat...
shoot, i started the ralph nader thread for you guys...
but anyway, i have 4 more months to work on you to see if i can sway you towards the light
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=279257If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde0 -
RainDog wrote:It's not really a stretch, just a crass way of phrasing it. "Talking white" isn't really polite either, by the way.
Sure, I didn't like the way he worded it, either. But I'm not here trying to make it out as worse than it was.RainDog wrote:The game is politics. One of the oldest plays in that game is to get attention first, then explain yourself. A bit inartful, but that's pretty much what Nader did here.
I think the fact that so many view Obama as anti-establishment when he clearly isn't should most definitely get more attention. I just think that he could have done so in a way that was more pc.RainDog wrote:Like fire. Obama has used it to warm his prospects; Nader's near burned his house down. Same element, different results depending on who's weilding it.
So did Nader do this to get attention or misspeak and it cost him? I think the attention is a very good thing now...Nader can better clarify what he meant for those who have problems with it as he is doing and at the very least it will get people to stop and think about it if only for a moment.RainDog wrote:And, just to clarify, while Obama has been able to use the race issue to his advantage (arguable, though, how much of an advantage he can actually get from it - a wash is probably the best scenerio), but he's never really been the one to bring it up. Nearly all of his remarks have been in response to the issue being raised by others (I say "nearly" because I don't like to speak in absolutes).
I suppose that televised speech on race didn't help him out at all....RainDog wrote:Nader always polls higher than his actual election day results. The same goes for most independent candidates.
Agreed. But that's not the point....the point was that people were saying no one cared what Nader has to say this year and that was wrong.If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde0 -
my2hands wrote:kidding aside... are you serious?
no one is paying attention to nader. honestly the only place i ever see his name is on here? am i missing something?
Apparently you're missing posts inside this very thread where I pasted an AP poll showing Nader at 6%If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde0 -
Abookamongstthemany wrote:Apparently you're missing posts inside this very thread where I pasted an AP poll showing Nader at 6%
Is that 6% of likely voters?hippiemom = goodness0 -
cincybearcat wrote:Is that 6% of likely voters?
It just said voters.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ijClHoidEl8XEJMJoUooHU1R_nmgD914PTMGAIf you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde0 -
Abookamongstthemany wrote:
Yep, registered voters...thanks, I looked for it (skimmed I guess) and couldn't find your other post with the link.hippiemom = goodness0 -
El_Kabong wrote:what? it's pretty easy to not be a racist...don't think racist thoughts! there, now everyone can live in my world!
On a lighter note, did you pick up Rain Dogs yet? I'm seeing Tom Waits in Mobile next week. Pumped! Still, it'd be nice if Pearl Jam would play around here again.0 -
Abookamongstthemany wrote:So did Nader do this to get attention or misspeak and it cost him? I think the attention is a very good thing now...Nader can better clarify what he meant for those who have problems with it as he is doing and at the very least it will get people to stop and think about it if only for a moment.Abookamongstthemany wrote:I suppose that televised speech on race didn't help him out at all....0
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Abookamongstthemany wrote:6% is even more than Nader had in 2000
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ijClHoidEl8XEJMJoUooHU1R_nmgD914PTMGA
Of course it's higher with all of the white supremacists flocking to his campaign as we type.
Nader/Imus '080 -
Abookamongstthemany wrote:I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to know that Nader wasn't talking about the style in which Obama is speaking but rather who is speaking for.
By the way, there are many definitions of "talking white."
http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/06/26/nader-on-abcs-this-week-sunday/
Here's our definition, from the Nader/Gonzalez dictionary:
Talking white means telling the white corporate power structure what they want to hear, rather than calling them out and telling them what they need to hear.
LMAO !! When I posted this you said I was grasping. I guess you didnt really think it was from his website. Now it all makes sense to you with this lame definition.0 -
If they found Nader in a hotel room with an eightball and a 12 year old boy some people on this board could rationalize it.0
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flywallyfly wrote:Of course it's higher with all of the white supremacists flocking to his campaign as we type.
Nader/Imus '08
And wait until they find out he's an Arab.0 -
Nader is running for president to bring up important issues. If he doesn't run, Obama could coast in on his political pandering, catering to the white corporate structure. Seems Nader is reminding him of all the poor and oppressed he is leaving behind, trying to give them a voice. And if Nader isn't trying- no one is. I'm glad someone is.0
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flywallyfly wrote:I bet Nader has money right now invested in Citibank and the nuclear industry because that is how Nader lives his life -- in hypocrisy.
http://blogs.venturacountystar.com/dennert/archives/Nader.jpg
Nader lives off of $25,000 a year, so if he's making money from citibank it's obviously not a lotstandin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way0 -
MrBrian wrote:And wait until they find out he's an Arab.
I know. It's just too much here sometimes. A fine mix of politics, bickering and in some cases pure hilarity.If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde0 -
he should speak as if he is white, 1/2 of the time..........he is 1/2 white. and all of this talk about him being the first "black" president....he will be the first 1/2 black president.live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.0
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ajedigecko wrote:he should speak as if he is white, 1/2 of the time..........he is 1/2 white. and all of this talk about him being the first "black" president....he will be the first 1/2 black president.0
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RainDog wrote:Nader did it to get attention and delivered his remarks poorly, just as someone may light a fire to keep warm and end up burning themselves.
Well duh...of course he wants attention. He's running for president. But it's a different thing if he said something off color on purpose just to get attention. And I don't think Nader would do that. Since you're saying he expressed himself poorly, I'm taking that as he had a point about issues he thought should get attention however he 'worded it poorly'. Then his intention is a good and honest one...so why should this be a big deal?RainDog wrote:That speech is actually one of the moments I was talking about. It did help him, but it was in response to the race issue being brought up by others.
But he still has the opportunity to not let race be an issue he wants to focus on or he can focus on it....and he did and it got him higher in the polls. I'm pretty sure he knew it would.If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde0 -
Commy wrote:who's keeping score though right ?
barack obama the first 1/2 black 1/2 white president.live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.0
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