Question to Christians about Jesus's family

Here is another:

Romans 14:21
"It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall."

Again, IMHO, a caution against drinking and drunkeness when it may cause someone else to fall. Not a direct condemnation of drinking per se. If i am around, for example, a recovering alcoholic, or someone who can't handle his liquor and acts a complete fool when drinking, then perhaps i shouldn't drink around them.
If, on the other hand, i am o.k. with it, and evryone else at my party is cool with it, then its all good. Let's have a toast.

cornnifer wrote:

Let's have a toast.

Salt of The Earth - Mick and Keith

Lets drink to the hard working people
Lets drink to the lowly of birth
Raise your glass to the good and the evil
Lets drink to the salt of the earth

Say a prayer for the common foot soldier
Spare a thought for his back breaking work
Say a prayer for his wife and his children
Who burn the fires and who still till the earth

And when I search a faceless crowd
A swirling mass of gray and
Black and white
They dont look real to me
In fact, they look so strange

Raise your glass to the hard working people
Lets drink to the uncounted heads
Lets think of the wavering millions
Who need leaders but get gamblers instead

Spare a thought for the stay-at-home voter
His empty eyes gaze at strange beauty shows
And a parade of the gray suited grafters
A choice of cancer or polio

And when I look in the faceless crowd
A swirling mass of grays and
Black and white
They dont look real to me
Or don't they look so strange

Lets drink to the hard working people
Lets think of the lowly of birth
Spare a thought for the rag taggy people
Lets drink to the salt of the earth

Lets drink to the hard working people
Lets drink to the salt of the earth
Lets drink to the two thousand million
Lets think of the humble of birth

cornnifer wrote:

Here is another:

Romans 14:21
"It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall."

Again, IMHO, a caution against drinking and drunkeness when it may cause someone else to fall. Not a direct condemnation of drinking per se. If i am around, for example, a recovering alcoholic, or someone who can't handle his liquor and acts a complete fool when drinking, then perhaps i shouldn't drink around them.
If, on the other hand, i am o.k. with it, and evryone else at my party is cool with it, then its all good. Let's have a toast.

if you are still finding this scripture based on my previous post, I stated that drinking is not a sin....Jesus drank wine, there's the direct proof that it's not a sin to drink alcohol since Jesus is the only person to never sin

The sin in getting drunk is overindulgance. Overeating, overdrinking, etc. are technically sins since you're overindulging in something. It's not the alcohol that is the issue there. As you stated before, getting drunk can lead to other sins though, so you've sinned twice (overindulged, and whatever you did while drunk).....that's why they caution against it so much in the scriptures.

Restless Soul wrote:

Does it make any difference to you if Jesus had a family? As in brothers and sisters? Or children and a wife (such as mary magdalene)? What about if the church was found to be involved in a big cover-up of any evidence that these people existed?

I'm just curious how christians and catholics would feel about this because they showed a programme here on Christmas day about the fact that the church had covered up information on Jesus's family. According to the programme, which kind of followed along the da vinci code line, there is apparently evidence in bible which indicates Jesus had brothers and sisters with their names, which contradicted with the image of the Virgin mary so was covered up. I can't remember the passages now but the church has said these names were actually joseph's kids or they were jesus's friends or cousins or whatever. Apparently whatever the truth is, the cover-up continues.

So my point is if the church is so interested in covering-up any so-called evidence, what difference will it make to you, as a follower of Christianity, if Jesus did have a family, or the virgin mary hadn't been a virgin, or that Jesus had had a wife and kids?

Will it really make a difference to your faith, or your understanding of your faith? Just curious really!

I don't see how it would diminish the value of his teachings.

Nothing about a person's name changes the essence of their being.

gue_barium wrote:

I have a question. Would it be possible to introduce sperm into the vagina of a virginal woman, and could it bypass the hymen thereby potentially impregnating the woman?

Well, not "bypass", I guess I mean, "go through". I've seen pictures of hymens and I recall some of them have a hole in the center.

catefrances wrote:

well how on earth do you think women menstruate if the hole is blocked off?

right. lol. sorry for my ignorance (and to think i pride myself on knowledge of the females zonal zones).

So! It is possible! To impregnate a virgin without intercourse.

gue_barium wrote:

right. lol. sorry for my ignorance (and to think i pride myself on knowledge of the females zonal zones).

So! It is possible! To impregnate a virgin without intercourse.

Let us now all mull over the sexual act that must have assuredly produced Mary's virginal conception. Mull slowly.

Back then, trusted midwives, and even mothers of the newlywed husband would insert a finger to verify the virginity of the new bride.

catefrances wrote:

why yes it is. how do you think lesbians get pregnant?* no need for a penis ALL the time boys.


*i am in no way saying that ALL lesbians or even ANY lesbians get pregnant by what could be considered bizarre ways. but surely we've all heard about the turkey baster method?

right. it's just that i've never seen the plausible virgin pregnancy brought up in regard to mary and jesus before.