I'm sure Iago wasn't Everyman back in 1604

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    reeferchief wrote:
    Exploition was happening long before people were writing about it, I have no evidence to support that, but it is a natural trait and it has been since the dawn of mankind.

    it's true, trust me? :rolleyes:
    come on reefer, you cant just say something like that and not be able to back it up. i do believe they call that kind of thing 'faith'. trust me i have no evidence but... :p:D
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    catefrances wrote:
    it's true, trust me? :rolleyes:
    come on reefer, you cant just say something like that and not be able to back it up. i do believe they call that kind of thing 'faith'. trust me i have no evidence but... :p:D

    Exploitation, I'm only replying to correct my grammar, lol.
    As long as there has been people, then advantage has been taken at some point from one to another, I need no proof, it's plain to see.
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    reeferchief wrote:
    Exploitation, I'm only replying to correct my grammar, lol.
    As long as there has been people, then advantage has been taken at some point from one to another, I need no proof, it's plain to see.


    so where is the line drawn between advantage and exploitation?

    if i find your weakness and use it, is that me exploiting you or me just making a wise and informed decision to my advantage based on the knowledge i have attained?
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    catefrances wrote:
    so where is the line drawn between advantage and exploitation?

    if i find your weakness and use it, is that me exploiting you or me just making a wise and informed decision to my advantage based on the knowledge i have attained?

    I think Trent Reznors blurry one best describes it.
    You know what I'm saying about the fact that humans have exploited others when possible and need be, to be true, your just getting pedantic about it.:)
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    reeferchief wrote:
    I think Trent Reznors blurry one best describes it.
    You know what I'm saying about the fact that humans have exploited others when possible and need be, to be true, your just getting pedantic about it.:)

    so now you're saying there are times when there is a need for exploitation?

    me? pedantic? NEVER!! :p:D
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    catefrances wrote:
    so now you're saying there are times when there is a need for exploitation?

    me? pedantic? NEVER!! :p:D

    No all I'm saying is, that people have been exploiting others since the dawn of time.
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    reeferchief wrote:
    No all I'm saying is, that people have been exploiting others since the dawn of time.

    now that sounds like revisionist history to me. you say since the dawn of time and yet without proof we really have no clue. we look back from our perspective, see that ever since history has been recorded, exploitation has occurred. i'm not saying it didnt happen but i cant be as damn sure as you.
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    catefrances wrote:
    now that sounds like revisionist history to me. you say since the dawn of time and yet without proof we really have no clue. we look back from our perspective, see that ever since history has been recorded, exploitation has occurred. i'm not saying it didnt happen but i cant be as damn sure as you.

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    reeferchief wrote:
    The surroundings grow more complex, but the basics underneath are the same.

    just cause that's the way it's become doesn't mean that's the way it's always been. that's all i'm saying. :)
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    othello wasn't written without motive... err whatever
    this so opens such the can of worms, it's not even funny

    ever laugh when someone falls down?
    i mean, come on...
  • Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Were there no backstabbers mentioned in 'The Iliad'?

    I've still not read it. I'e got a copy of Lattimore's translation with me here though.


    Um, let's think. There was straight out rivalry between Achilles and Agamemnon over a woman, but that's gone on since blokes had dicks. There was lots of sacrificing, eating, sleeping, Nestor ranting, then some fighting, and Hector getting killed, then the burial of Achilles's bumchum Patroclus, and a bit of sport.

    The Odyssey was all about disguise and lying, as Odysseus realises he has to be literally "no one" to outwit all manner of creatures en route to Ithaca, then pretend to be a beggar to get entry to his palace and outwit/slay Penelope's suitors. But there wasn't an Iago-type there, as far as I can think.
  • Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Have you read 'The Gospel of Judas'? Turns out Judas betrayed Jesus at Jesus' bidding, and was regarded by Jesus as his most favoured disciple.


    Yep, and you could bring all kinds of theological arguments into play, that he was facilitating mankind's salvation, etc.
  • Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    I can't even remember what sparked this thread off. I was ratarsed. I think I was reading some Marxist bollocks.
  • Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Oh, I haven't read "The Gospel of Judas", though.

    Right, that's me done on this topic. :D
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    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    I can't even remember what sparked this thread off. I was ratarsed. I think I was reading some Marxist bollocks.

    :D

    A man with a taste for all things literary reading Marxist bollocks? Better be careful old bean. That shit will blunt your imagination in no time at all.
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    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Oh, I haven't read "The Gospel of Judas", though.

    It's pretty interesting stuff.
    In fact, all of the 'banned' Gospels are interesting, mainly because of the fact that they're largely opposed to what the Church would have us believe. The Gospel of Thomas is probably the main one to get yer teeth into, if you're so inclined.
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    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Judas is the most unfairly lambasted character in history. Along with Pilate.



    Followed closely by Caliban and Bill Clinton.
  • Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Byrnzie wrote:
    :D

    A man with a taste for all things literary reading Marxist bollocks? Better be careful old bean. That shit will blunt your imagination in no time at all.


    Only if you agree with it. ;)

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