anyone else thinking Nevermind is Nirvana's weakest album?

marker_in_the_sand
marker_in_the_sand Posts: 272
edited November 2007 in Other Music
Well I do, everybody's always saying it is their best. I like In Utero most! Then Incesticide, then Bleach.
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  • Cropduster84
    Cropduster84 Posts: 1,283
    marker_in_the_sand wrote:
    I like In Utero most!.

    Me too. Not a fan of Bleach though.

    Unplugged is their most emotional
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  • marker_in_the_sand
    marker_in_the_sand Posts: 272
    Cropduster84 wrote:
    Me too. Not a fan of Bleach though.

    Unplugged is their most emotional

    yeah I didn't included live albums, If that was the case, I'd say Muddy Banks Of The Wishkah :cool:
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  • Julien
    Julien Posts: 2,457
    i liked nerermind before (when I was a teen, in the mid 90s). I recently tried to lsiten to this album and I didn't enjoy it. In Utero and incesticide are good albums. darker.
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  • kenshunt
    kenshunt London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,863
    In Utero is by far my fav, but i do enjoy the second half of Nevermind alot, starting with Terrotorial Pissings :)
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  • ScotInAmsterdam
    ScotInAmsterdam Posts: 1,004
    I think Nevermind has probably aged the most... Bleach is my fav... Incesticide has to be one of the best flowing compilation albums ever, and IN Utreo pushed the genre quite a lot...
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    i think Nevermind is the weakest 'produced'.. if it was produced in the same vein as "In Utero" then it would sound fucking brilliant... but it sounds so clinical and over-produced in comparison to the others... the others sound raw... but Nevermind's actual songs are brilliant.. if you hear them live on the dvd's or live albums then they sound truer to the bands vision methinks.
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  • Julien
    Julien Posts: 2,457
    dunkman wrote:
    i think Nevermind is the weakest 'produced'.. if it was produced in the same vein as "In Utero" then it would sound fucking brilliant... but it sounds so clinical and over-produced in comparison to the others... the others sound raw... but Nevermind's actual songs are brilliant.. if you hear them live on the dvd's or live albums then they sound truer to the bands vision methinks.
    that's not false. Nevermind is too clean
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  • ScotInAmsterdam
    ScotInAmsterdam Posts: 1,004
    Depends what you think the Nirvana "vision" was. I see it in two distinct units Bleach/Incesticide and Nevermind/In Utreo. I prefer bleach/incesticide, but obviously I prefer them because of what Nevermind/In utero did to the music climate today. If it wasn't for Nevermind/In utero then bleach/incesticde would just be some damn fine albums by some independent band that fell by the wayside.
  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    i'm going to pretend very hard that i didn't see your thread
  • ScotInAmsterdam
    ScotInAmsterdam Posts: 1,004
    genie wrote:
    i'm going to pretend very hard that i didn't see your thread

    For what reason? Let's have some decent debate!
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    ScotInAmsterdam wrote:
    Depends what you think the Nirvana "vision" was.

    ok vision was a poor word choice there... i mean Nevermind was not really the sound they band had in mind (as Kurt acknowledged retrospectively)


    i meant 'vision' in the sound sense rather than globally selling sense... i think Geffen pressure on them meant they acquiesced a little on the 'sound' they were truly after... and they tried to regain that sound with In Utero.. which sounds like Bleach in terms of its muddy rawness.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • ScotInAmsterdam
    ScotInAmsterdam Posts: 1,004
    I think the difference between Nevermind and In Utero is in some instances due to Dave Grohls influence. He was essentially just playing the durm parts of CHad Channing as far as I understand for the Nevermind sessions. In Utero has much more Bonhamesque drum sound.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    ScotInAmsterdam wrote:
    I think the difference between Nevermind and In Utero is in some instances due to Dave Grohls influence. He was essentially just playing the durm parts of CHad Channing as far as I understand for the Nevermind sessions. In Utero has much more Bonhamesque drum sound.



    true... also put on In Utero loud.. not just loud but LOUD and you'll hear hisses and overdrives and muddy string twangs... now put on Nevermind at same volume and it just sounds less visceral... it sounds like Mr Sheen produced it ;)

    every cymbal comes through.. its just far too trebley.. although when i heard it first time i loved it but then i went back to Bleach and thought.. "if only NM was filthier in its overall sound"
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • ScotInAmsterdam
    ScotInAmsterdam Posts: 1,004
    wikipedia wrote:
    Cobain would later criticize Vig for the album's slickness, although this might be due to Andy Wallace's mixing of the album. {Berkenstadt, J. (1998). Nevermind Nirvana at pg. 96. New York: Schirmer Books. ISBN 0-02-864775-0} Cobain said that "Butch Vig...recorded the album perfectly," in a 1993 MTV interview.

    I don't have any problem with Butch Vig's work on Gish or siamses dream... maybe Nevermind is due a remix. I'm sure Courtney could have it in the shops for Xmas... oh wait, we've already got the Unplugged DVD... better use this for next Xmas...
  • ScotInAmsterdam
    ScotInAmsterdam Posts: 1,004
    Jack endino did smell the magic by L7(An album I like) in 1990, then Butch Vig did their followup Bricks are Heavy(An album I don't know) in 92.... a comparison could raise a few answers..
  • ii44
    ii44 Posts: 430
    No.
  • Hitch-Hiker
    Hitch-Hiker Posts: 2,873
    Good god no! Nevermind is their best. In Utero is a close second. Bleach only has about 3 good songs. Same goes for Incesticide.
    I have gone off them in recent years, but this has always been my position on Nirvana.
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  • itsevobaby
    itsevobaby Posts: 1,809
    In Utero is without a doubt my favourite, but i wouldn't say nevermind is the weakest. for me, it is definitely a stronger record than both bleach & incesticide. They don't even come close.
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  • prytocorduroy
    prytocorduroy Posts: 4,355
    If by weakest you mean second best, absolutely!


    Here's a better question: What's the weakest track on Nevermind?
    (please don't all say Stay Away or I'll rephrase it to "second weakest track" ;))
  • itsevobaby
    itsevobaby Posts: 1,809
    danny72688 wrote:
    If by weakest you mean second best, absolutely!


    Here's a better question: What's the weakest track on Nevermind?
    (please don't all say Stay Away or I'll rephrase it to "second weakest track" ;))
    teen spirit is the only one i skip so by that logic, TEEN SPIRIT :)
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