The Who...let's be honest...

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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    comebackboy10 wrote:
    not true. go listen to when ed joined the doors for there rock n roll hall of fame induction.

    sorry baby whofan it is true. i dont have to go listen to ed sing with the doors to know that without jim theyre not the doors. :p
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  • bgirl59
    bgirl59 Tucson AZ Posts: 888
    Originally Posted by catefrances
    sorry... the doors arent the doors without jim.
    comebackboy10 wrote:
    not true. go listen to when ed joined the doors for there rock n roll hall of fame induction.
    Really? no, really? What was Ed singing when he joined "The Doors"? Oh man..I know this post was to piss people off....but really?
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  • hiding103006
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    LavaLamp_GuitarTramp wrote:
    Great musicians with average songs, sorry Eddie.
    this is VERY backwards. they're actually average musicians with great songs.
    proof: stage antics of keith moon destroying drums. pete destroying his guitar. pete doing the whole "windmill" routine. AND pete was playing with feedback way before anybody else because, technically, he wasn't that great of a guitar player.

    petes more of a songwriter than a guitar virtuoso. he was the first person (or the who was the first band if you want to put it that way) to successfully incorporate the synthesizer into rock and roll music.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    bgirl59 wrote:
    Originally Posted by catefrances
    sorry... the doors arent the doors without jim.


    Originally Posted by comebackboy10
    not true. go listen to when ed joined the doors for there rock n roll hall of fame induction.

    Really? no, really? What was Ed singing when he joined "The Doors"? Oh man..I know this post was to piss people off....but really?

    i cant reply to your post cause i dont know if it was a reply to me or CBB10.
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  • smile05
    smile05 Posts: 600
    I'm pretty sure all The Who fans around the world will disagree, and possibly say the same about Pearl Jam and more so Ed.
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  • Cropduster84
    Cropduster84 Posts: 1,283
    Just never seen the appeal with this band.....

    A few good tracks that I like, but can think of plenty of bands I'd sooner hear.....
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  • Cropduster84
    Cropduster84 Posts: 1,283
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    I prefer The Kinks.


    Same here.
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  • Cropduster84
    Cropduster84 Posts: 1,283
    Brain Of E wrote:
    I would put them on the same level as the Beatles/Zeppelin/Stones/Floyd.

    Not a chance.
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  • SoonForgotten2
    SoonForgotten2 Posts: 2,245
    Have you ever actually seen Pete Townshend play? He's an amazing songwriter to be sure, but he didn't need to hide behind anything- the man is plenty talented.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5yymadwxj8
    hiding103006 wrote:
    petes more of a songwriter than a guitar virtuoso. he was the first person (or the who was the first band if you want to put it that way) to successfully incorporate the synthesizer into rock and roll music.
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  • wcsmith
    wcsmith Posts: 165
    Personally, I love The Who. But this argument (like all discussions about the greatness of any band) is between subjective taste vs. objective worth. I can completely understand why folks would not like The Who. Their music is not all that straightforward, the bass is prominent in a way that is not typical, Keith Moon's drumming is not straightforward at all, Pete's songwriting can be somewhat melodramatic and overwrought, etc. However, to attempt to draw objective conclusions based on your own personal tastes just doesn't hold water, imho. You may not personally like The Who, but to claim that they are not hugely influential, or to claim that all Pearl Jam fans only like them b/c of Eddie is fallacious.

    Also, I would say in terms of popularity, influence, radio play, and general public knowledge and acknowledgement, The Who are indeed on the same level as Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, Pink Floyd, and The Rolling Stones. One only has to see their influence on punk, progressive rock, 'arena' rock, and their role in helping to create the "classic rock" sound which is a dominate radio format in the US. You're more likely to hear The Who on classic rock radio than The Beatles or The Stones. That, to me, says something about their continuing relevance.

    And, to add my own .02 about a somewhat irrelevant topic raised earlier - I cannot understand all the adulation for The Velvet Underground. I really find them unlistenable. But some feel that way about The Who...oh well, to each their own...
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  • jamie uk
    jamie uk Posts: 3,812
    slightofjeff wrote:
    I think the original poster might be about 15 years old. DOn't be too hard on him.


    Oh joy, I'm 15 again :rolleyes:...so who is it making the sweeping statements, with no homework ?

    I'll say again....the Who are a decent band, but I don't see they're that great, and I reckon a lot (not all) of the adulation they get around here (as in pearl jam message pit) is because Ed V loves em and bangs on about how good they are,... and the covers of course.
    I got into Niel Young because of Pearl Jam, now I love his albums, I dont have them all, about a dozen though and I'd say I like him as much as I like PJ....whatever, I still won't have it about the Who being all that......



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  • hiding103006
    hiding103006 Posts: 452
    SoonForgotten2 wrote:
    Have you ever actually seen Pete Townshend play? He's an amazing songwriter to be sure, but he didn't need to hide behind anything- the man is plenty talented.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5yymadwxj8
    yes i've seen him play - and i stand by what i said. certainly over the years he's gotten much better... back in '64 when the band wasn't even The Who but The Detours... Pete was very average at the guitar... hence all the gimmicks... he's pretty much grown into that talent.
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  • PearlJamaholic
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    wcsmith wrote:
    And, to add my own .02 about a somewhat irrelevant topic raised earlier - I cannot understand all the adulation for The Velvet Underground. I really find them unlistenable. But some feel that way about The Who...oh well, to each their own...

    give the vu another chance. they are easily one of my all time favorite bands and like i said before the who are my favorite 'classic rock' band. i think lou and pete have alot in common in their approach to music. if you really like the who i think it would be odd not to like vu at least alittle.
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  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    I really think 'Who Are You?' is the most painful and embarrassing listen I can think of..... :o

    .... if one can actually think of a listen.
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  • jamie uk
    jamie uk Posts: 3,812
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    first off, learn to spell NEIL's name right. second, the who get adulation around here for the same reason they get adulation everywhere else.....

    they are one of the greatest rock bands in history. period. and i'm sorry, but pearl jam is nowhere near their level, and never will be.


    What's in a name squire ? If being pedantic is the best you can come up with, don't even bother.
    The Who are not one of the great classic rock bands, they dissapeared up their own arses for 20 years, then realised they wanted to be the Who again...and somewhere along the line managed to persuade everyone they were better than we all remembered......
    fuck this.
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  • PearlJamaholic
    PearlJamaholic Posts: 2,019
    jamie uk wrote:
    What's in a name squire ? If being pedantic is the best you can come up with, don't even bother.
    The Who are not one of the great classic rock bands, they dissapeared up their own arses for 20 years, then realised they wanted to be the Who again...and somewhere along the line managed to persuade everyone they were better than we all remembered......
    fuck this.

    disappeared for 20 years? when was this? they have been touring since the 60's with the longest break being 4 years. and a great classic rock band is what they are, whether you like them or not. thats like saying nirvana isnt a great grunge band. nirvana might not be great in the grand scheme of rock bands, but nirvana is one of the bands that define what grunge is, just like the who helped to define what classic rock is. ask most people the who will come up just as much as skynyrd, floyd, zeppelin, ac/dc, stones, eagles, you name it. the who didnt sell millions of records because evenflow got played on mtv. the who sold millions of records because people like what they heard, time and time again.
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  • jamie uk
    jamie uk Posts: 3,812
    PearlJamaholic wrote:
    disappeared for 20 years? when was this? they have been touring since the 60's with the longest break being 4 years. and a great classic rock band is what they are, whether you like them or not. thats like saying nirvana isnt a great grunge band. nirvana might not be great in the grand scheme of rock bands, but nirvana is one of the bands that define what grunge is, just like the who helped to define what classic rock is. ask most people the who will come up just as much as skynyrd, floyd, zeppelin, ac/dc, stones, eagles, you name it. the who didnt sell millions of records because evenflow got played on mtv. the who sold millions of records because people like what they heard, time and time again.

    yeah, they may not have dissapeared, more like went quiet whilst trying to make solo records, films, sound like a different sort of band..whatever. Then they kinda went...."OOOH, we're the Who...remember us?"
    I'll say again, I really love some of their tracks, Moony was an exquisite percussionist, after that...avereage to me (to me...) and Townsend......he makes my skin creep, as I said earlier.
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  • pjoasisrule
    pjoasisrule Posts: 3,412
    I like The Who alot but I cannot listen to them all the time and I do not like Tommy very much
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  • PearlJamaholic
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    jamie uk wrote:
    yeah, they may not have dissapeared, more like went quiet whilst trying to make solo records, films, sound like a different sort of band..whatever. Then they kinda went...."OOOH, we're the Who...remember us?"
    I'll say again, I really love some of their tracks, Moony was an exquisite percussionist, after that...avereage to me (to me...) and Townsend......he makes my skin creep, as I said earlier.

    pete seems alittle creepy to me too....i still dont buy the whole pedo story. but the who have been touring, not solo stuff, but the who. they may have dropped off the radar, until recently. but if you followed the who they stayed some what active their entire career, or those left in the who. i dont think the who did anything differently to sell tickets from the late 80s, to the 90s, to the present tours. i dont have the facts, but im willing to bet that during all these tours the who sold out the same venues they are still doing today. maybe im wrong.

    though i must say the police seem to fall into that 'ohh remember us?' deal. but thats a whole other topic.
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  • hiding103006
    hiding103006 Posts: 452
    say what you'd like about your own opinions, but do NOT speak for others. no-one in their right mind with a knowledge of rock and roll can deny the who's place in history. if you don't like them fine - that's you...

    you know i mentioned this earlier - there seems to be a lot of speak by people who don't really know what they're talking about.
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