Girl Talk and Temple of the Dog

hmmm, sounds interesting. any links?

yea i'm not looking for free music, maybe just a link to some samples or something. i'm too lazy to search for it.

cool, thanks. i decided to download it. i paid fifty cents.

wow, just listened to all the songs on myspace, and its like he walked into my house and used my music collection for all his samples. Can't think of one song I don't have.

YEAH
YEAH
YEAH
YEAH
YEAh
YEAH
YEAh
YEAh
YEAH
OK We poppin' champagne like we won the championship game
look like I got on a championship ring
Cause I ball hard
No bitch we ball harder
I am the Birdman
I am the J-R-Uh

He's just taking a bunch of different songs and mashin' 'em together. Seems pretty random and aimless. Obviously he's not talented enough to come up with his own shit. Kid Rock anyone?

mole1985 wrote:

He's just taking a bunch of different songs and mashin' 'em together. Seems pretty random and aimless. Obviously he's not talented enough to come up with his own shit. Kid Rock anyone?

You're not familiar with the technique of sampling are you? It's an artform. Your reaction is the reaction of ignorance. Kid Rock employs a team of producers to rip off tunes to make his beats and then he "sings" and raps over them. Girl Talk makes cohesive collages of found samples. It's not the same thing.

It is not a case of recording someone else's music and throwing a beat on it, you can tell that kind of production. That's the production of P Diddy. It's not the same as listening to a DJ Shadow or Madlib album. Madlib's Shades of Blue is made up entirely of jazz samples from the Blue Note records vault but it's an original album in its own right.

Playing the "he's not even playing his own music" card is such bullshit. Go and search for Pete Rock on youtube and watch him working his samplers. Then tell me that's not an instrument in its own right.

Jeremy1012 wrote:

Go and search for Pete Rock on youtube and watch him working his samplers. Then tell me that's not an instrument in it's own right.

I watched a couple Pete Rock videos and agree that the sampler is definitely an instrument. Although I had no idea what he was doing you could tell it took talent to make it look so easy.

Jeremy1012 wrote:

You're not familiar with the technique of sampling are you? It's an artform. Your reaction is the reaction of ignorance. Kid Rock employs a team of producers to rip off tunes to make his beats and then he "sings" and raps over them. Girl Talk makes cohesive collages of found samples. It's not the same thing.

It is not a case of recording someone else's music and throwing a beat on it, you can tell that kind of production. That's the production of P Diddy. It's not the same as listening to a DJ Shadow or Madlib album. Madlib's Shades of Blue is made up entirely of jazz samples from the Blue Note records vault but it's an original album in its own right.

Playing the "he's not even playing his own music" card is such bullshit. Go and search for Pete Rock on youtube and watch him working his samplers. Then tell me that's not an instrument in its own right.

no way man. he is just pasting together other people's work. at least kid rock samples and writes his own music and lyrics around it. this dude is creating a cool sound and it certainly artistic, but to imply he's somehow more of a musician than kid rock is absurd. this is like photoshopping van gogh on your computer and claiming you're a better painter than picasso because of it. it's a talent in its own right and im sure he got the permission of these artists, but let's call a spade a spade. what he does is not better than what kid rock does, just different.

what bothers me about it is it's like when a live band goes into a cool jam/medley, only it's built for, like someone else said, parties basically. it's like every fratboy's dream album... a mix of cool and kitchy songs and none of them playing for more than 30 seconds to suit the ADD culture and attention span.

Jeremy1012 wrote:

Evidently we have drastically differing views about what constitutes good music and art.

I'm not even a massive fan of Girl Talk, although I think the album is good. I'm talking about attitudes like yours about musicians like this. Incohesive and plagiaristic or not, this is technically genius and a hell of a lot of fun.

By the way, Kid Rock telling his team of producers "gimme something with Sweet Home Alabama on it" does not make him a producer or adapt at sampling.

And remember, talent borrows, genius steals.

i didnt say it wasn't fun. i'm saying it's a long way from genius. and the album does sound good on the preview, and im not saying the doesn't have talent, he does. but he isn't a musician. playing on a computer does not make a musician. you have to play a musical instrument to be a musician. he's not doing that on here. he's not even writing any music or lyrics. he's taking other people's work and pasting it together. and it does take a certain kind of talent, but it's the aesthetic talent of, say, an interior designer as opposed to the craftsman's talent of the man who built the furniture.

i just don't see anything in this that could be labelled genius. beethoven was a genius. einstein was a genius. pearl jam is not, and neither is this guy. that word is thrown around so much it has no meaning. he's good at what he does, and what he does is fun and interesting. but there is nothing ground-breaking in this. people have been doing this for years and he just seems to be better than most of them at it.

if kid rock asking producers to make something does not make him a producer, how does this guy NOT playing any musical instruments or writing any music of his own make him a musician? answer me that.