Smashing Pumpkins new album named 'Zeitgeist'

intodeep wrote:

Well i don't consider myself a huge pumpkins fan, but i always felt like Billy was the base of the creative talent there and Jimmy was in my opinion the second most talented member of the band. I could be off base with that.

I think the bass player from Janes is gonna play on the album a steve perkins? that is the rumor i heard and he is an accomplished player. No knock on Iha, but i'm sure billy could find someone else to keep up with him.

As to the point about PJ i think the guys in PJ always (esp post vitology) made it a point to write the albums together everyone puts in input.

With Smashing Pumpkins i think Billy called the shots plus billy was lead singer and lead guitarist. Not like PJ at all.

So as much as i understand what you are saying i think smashing pumpkins was always Billy's creative vehicle.

Yeah, I have always heard that he pretty much played all the parts except for the drums on the first two records...

I also remember hearing that when James joined APC for that little while, they sort of had to give him a crash course in guitar playing, because the stuff he did in the Pumpkins was never that hard... Billy did all the real difficult stuff.

Although I must point out that James is listed as co-writer of my favorite Pumpkins song, and one of my favorite songs ever from any band... Mayonaise.

The new Pumpkins is gonna FUCKING ROCK!!! Zeitgeist is gonna rock!!!

The thing is, maybe he did somehow convince D'arcy or james or both even, to come back. I highly doubt it and if anybody has any info to proove me wrong then please share. I think there are two reasons for keeping the other two members a secret. 1.) They want to promote "The Pumpkins" and build up hype and when it gets close to 7/7/07 or even the date itself, they then let everyone know who the two mystery members are. Or.... 2.) James and D'arcy ARE in the band and they are waiting for 7/7/07 to make it like a big Pumpkin explosion. The album comes out, everyone finds out they're in the band, get super psyched about it and buy tons of albums. My heart wants #2, my head says #1.

western pearl wrote:

The thing is, maybe he did somehow convince D'arcy or james or both even, to come back. I highly doubt it and if anybody has any info to proove me wrong then please share. I think there are two reasons for keeping the other two members a secret. 1.) They want to promote "The Pumpkins" and build up hype and when it gets close to 7/7/07 or even the date itself, they then let everyone know who the two mystery members are. Or.... 2.) James and D'arcy ARE in the band and they are waiting for 7/7/07 to make it like a big Pumpkin explosion. The album comes out, everyone finds out they're in the band, get super psyched about it and buy tons of albums. My heart wants #2, my head says #1.

Well Mellisa Auf der Maur I think will take over bass duties, as she's said she'd be glad to on a few occasions. Don't count on D'arcy coming back. And as much as I'd love to see James, he was basically eye candy for lack of a better word, comic relief, that sort of thing. He's not a necessity but I really want him to be part of it.

Pumpkins '07

darthvedder88 wrote:

The new Pumpkins is gonna FUCKING ROCK!!! Zeitgeist is gonna rock!!!

The only thing you've "heard" is an album name and some tour dates.. so clearly you're just rollin the dice with that comment

pazman wrote:

oh thats is such a load of crap!

anyone could say that but its a pathetic excuse. So you're saying that Billy is saying, 'Machina could've been a great album and i could've written some great rock songs but i decided to experiment and release that stuff'

its ok to experiment but if the songs are no good then dont release it
Brian Wilson experimented with sounds and released Pet Sounds which was fucking brilliant! Thats OK but dont experiemtn and release 20 mins of good music on a 70 muinute album.THATS BAD!

it goes for everything, a surgeon says 'i could've performed the cystectomy that way (proven technique) but i chose to experiment and thats why i fucked up the operation'

I think you totally underestimate how talented he is, his sense of melody is amazing. Stand inside your love, is another example, again very old-school SP. Just like some of the stuff on Machina II was better, I think he just totally loses a sense of reality every now and then. Most of Adore and Machina was experimental, barely recognisible as Pumpkins yet there were moments of unquestionable brilliance. In my honest opinion he is probably borderline genius when it comes to music, and everybody knows he's a bit of a psycho perfectionist, and if Machina sounded good to him then he probably presumed everbody else would like it too.

And quite honestly, your analogy about the surgeon was rubbish! Surgery is not an art form for a start!! At a stretch you could argue plastic surgery has some room for artistic innovation, but you weren't talking about that.

reeferchief wrote:

infact if someone said I could have all three albums today and all I had to do was I dont know suck George W.'s cock or something well I might just have to kneel down

Wow. Only album I'd have ever said that about was Vs.

And Vitalogy.

And No Code.

And Yield.

And Binaural.

I remember when I wouldn't have sucked Bush's cock for Riot Act...

And then I got used to Binaural and Riot Act, and decided I loved them.

And then Avocado came along, and I thought yeah, this is good, but why would I want to suck anyone's cock?

culot4 wrote:

If just Eddie Vedder and Matt Cameron went out on the road and called it Pearl Jam it wouldn't be. The Pumpkins had an undeniable chemistry as a four piece, not a two piece.

But eddie vedder doesn't write 98% of everything pearl jam puts out...Corgan is a total control freak, that's why they broke up...I read an interview with James Iha where he said some of those albums should have just been billy corgan solo albums. basically, corgan is a control freak asshole and is the smashingpumpkins

chrisopalooza wrote:

yeah, corgan is about 99.97% of the creative input of smashing pumpkins. like trent reznor in nine inch nails, like dave grohl in foo fighters, like kurt cobain in nirvana, like the douche singer of the strokes.

like jerry cantrell in aic

Maybe the difference is that Jimmy Chamberlin is one of the sickest drummers out there, whereas you could find musicians as good or better than Darcy and Iha just about anywhere.