How do they even know there's a hole in the ozone layer?

Heineken Helen

oh tache, I know that nations can buy and sell carbon credits... but individuals?

Pauk

Heineken Helen wrote:

:( I didn't mean it like that... but you seem to believe that I should believe something that (in your own words) 'would be boring to explain on a news show' :eek:

No, I don't expect you to believe it. I just believe it myself because I can't be bothered to spend the time to do the proper scrutiny of the research. It's a well researched field and any bad research is knocked down quite fast. Comes a point where I have to trust, no one's an expert in everything.


I think buying of carbon credits for individuals is more of a ethical thing to make hippies feel better about themselves.

tachepiranha

Heineken Helen wrote:

but individuals?

why would anyone want to buy carbon?

catefrances

here's what i know.
like all things climate is cyclic.
i feel the sun hotter. is this global warming or is this a natural 'aberration'.
i do not believe mankind has been around long enough to know whether what we are experiencing is the natural run of things or something more. however...
i can not discount that man's activities do not have some sort of effect on global climate patterns. fortunately being an australian i was born with the innate ability to swim so if the sea levels rise i'll be okay.

chadwick

Heineken Helen wrote:

we're shipping waste to Germany... what the fuck are THEY gonna do with it and why do they want our waste? Do they EAT waste in Germany?

im sure they turn it into fuel

Heineken Helen

catefrances wrote:

here's what i know.
like all things climate is cyclic.
i feel the sun hotter. is this global warming or is this a natural 'abbhoration'.
i do not believe mankind has been around long enough to know whether what we are experiencing is the natural run of things or something more. however...
i can not discount that man's activities do not have some sort of effect on global climate patterns. fortunately being an australian i was born with the innate ability to swim so if the sea levels rise i'll be okay.

I agree completely. I think all this stuff scientists come up with is just a load of equations that they can prove mathematically... doesn't always mean it applies though! Sorry fowls

Heineken Helen

chadwick wrote:

im sure they turn it into fuel

Not from what I've heard I can't say much about it because it would probably be a good reason to sack me

eyedclaar

Heineken Helen wrote:

I agree completely. I think all this stuff scientists come up with is just a load of equations that they can prove mathematically... doesn't always mean it applies though! Sorry fowls

Did I just hear my Wyoming hillbilly in-laws from afar?

"Gol' dang scientists thinkin' they're so smart with all their book learnin' and such. My cousin Russel graduated the 4th grade and he ain't never heard of any this crap."

catefrances

buying and selling carbon credits is just pure bullshit.

Drew263

Heineken Helen wrote:

what? You can buy carbon credits?

Yeah! From Al Gore no less. How convenient!!!!

Heineken Helen

eyedclaar wrote:

Did I just hear my Wyoming hillbilly in-laws from afar?

"Gol' dang scientists thinkin' they're so smart with all their book learnin' and such. My cousin Russel graduated the 4th grade and he ain't never heard of any this crap."

I believe things that I believe to be true... things that don't sit right with me, well then what difference will it make to the world if I DON'T believe in the ozone layer?

Heineken Helen

Drew263 wrote:

Yeah! From Al Gore no less. How convenient!!!!

I knew of all this buying and selling of carbon credits between nations, but individuals? Has Gore claimed the rights to carbon credits now? Is he god? Fuck, I wish I came up with that one

Drew263

catefrances wrote:

here's what i know.
like all things climate is cyclic.
i feel the sun hotter. is this global warming or is this a natural 'abbhoration'.
i do not believe mankind has been around long enough to know whether what we are experiencing is the natural run of things or something more. however...
i can not discount that man's activities do not have some sort of effect on global climate patterns. fortunately being an australian i was born with the innate ability to swim so if the sea levels rise i'll be okay.

I find this to be a solid post. Well done. I agree and all that...

Drew263

Heineken Helen wrote:

I knew of all this buying and selling of carbon credits between nations, but individuals? Has Gore claimed the rights to carbon credits now? Is he god? Fuck, I wish I came up with that one

He's the chairman and part owner of Generation Investment Management..where he also happens to buy his carbon credits from. See, this is how he rationalizes using more electricity in his Tennessee mansion than something like the rest of the free world combined.

"Ya know..I'm rich, but I buy these credits, so it's cool."

chinobaeza

fowls wrote:

Googling it I found an even more interesting question

Are sheep going blind in Chile?
Yes

now...that answers many questions

Dissidentman

So even if you buy/trade carbon credits, aren't you still using up fossil fuels and emitting the by-products? I guess I don't get it... or is it Al Gore who doesn't get it?

Drew263

dissidentman wrote:

So even if you buy/trade carbon credits, aren't you still using up fossil fuels and emitting the by-products? I guess I don't get it... or is it Al Gore who doesn't get it?

One thing he's getting out of it.....$$$$

chadwick

I think a few ppl here should be taking environmental science classes.
If you want to be freaked out and get gloomy.
Sign up for some classes.
Fucking scary shit.

Example of something I learnt yesterday.

The A bomb = atomic bomb
is 700 times weaker than
the H bomb = hydrogen bomb

Hydrogen explosions happen on the sun and in stars. Countries/scientist have set off H bombs on far off lone deserted islands. We all know this right? The islands are disintegrated. This means atoms, molecules, protons, and neurons or whatever are changed. Their are now new atoms and such that never existed until the island/islands were vaporized.

Such catastrophic events would cause some weather changes globally, I am sure of it and I am the farthest thing for a scientist.

PaperPlates

I'm fixing a hole where the rain gets in
and stops my mind from wandering
where it will go
I'm filling the cracks that ran though the door
and kept my mind from wandering
where it will go

eyedclaar

chadwick wrote:

I think a few ppl here should be taking environmental science classes.

But by educating themselves they wouldn't be anywhere near as humorous. I love it when people second guess the science and knowledge of people with three times the raw intelligence and 10 times the actual education on a given subject.

Heineken Helen

chadwick wrote:

Hydrogen explosions happen on the sun and in stars. Countries/scientist have set off H bombs on far off lone deserted islands. We all know this right? The islands are disintegrated. This means atoms, molecules, protons, and neurons or whatever are changed. Their are now new atoms and such that never existed until the island/islands were vaporized.

of course we all know this... but how do we 'know' this? Cos we're TOLD... we're told it by people who we probably couldn't relate to at a dinner table... by people who, for all we know, are from a different planet to us. They can offer up as much 'proof' as they like... but I don't know these people and their 'proof' means nothing to me so I choose not to believe them.

And eyedclaar, what the hell is 'intelligence' anyway?

chadwick

Heineken Helen wrote:

of course we all know this... but how do we 'know' this? Cos we're TOLD... we're told it by people who we probably couldn't relate to at a dinner table... by people who, for all we know, are from a different planet to us. They can offer up as much 'proof' as they like... but I don't know these people and their 'proof' means nothing to me so I choose not to believe them.

And eyedclaar, what the hell is 'intelligence' anyway?

Oh I understand where you're coming from, I do.
But um, are you out of your skull?
Getting educated on anything does a person wonders.

eyedclaar

Heineken Helen wrote:

And eyedclaar, what the hell is 'intelligence' anyway?

Must... resist...obvious...comeback...to...that...question. Phew, that was hard.

Look, I consider myself a smart and educated person. However, I know when I'm in over my head with certain subject matter. Intelligence is realizing that there are people out there who are smarter than you and waaaaaaay more educated. Granted, you probably know more than other people about certain things but I think I'll lean towards trusting the experts when it comes to scientific knowledge.

I love it when my aformentioned Wyoming in-laws try to tell me (still) that globabal warming is a hoax. They say the same thing about evolution. You know, I might actually take the time to cosider their perspective if they had read a book in the last 20 years.

chadwick

eyedclaar wrote:

Must... resist...obvious...comeback...to...that...question. Phew, that was hard.

Look, I consider myself a smart and educated person. However, I know when I'm in over my head with certain subject matter. Intelligence is realizing that there are people out there who are smarter than you and waaaaaaay more educated. Granted, you probably know more than other people about certain things but I think I'll lean towards trusting the experts when it comes to scientific knowledge.

I love it when my aformentioned Wyoming in-laws try to tell me (still) that globabal warming is a hoax. They say the same thing about evolution. You know, I might actually take the time to cosider their perspective if they had read a book in the last 20 years.

unbelievable that their are still people who dismiss evolution due to religion or whatever reasoning..unreal these fuckin ppl..

Rygar

chadwick wrote:

unbelievable that their are still people who dismiss evolution due to religion or whatever reasoning..unreal these fuckin ppl..

Why do you care what other people think?

Heineken Helen

chadwick wrote:

Oh I understand where you're coming from, I do.
But um, are you out of your skull?
Getting educated on anything does a person wonders.

Absolutely... but I think many of us have different interpretations of intelligence. My cousin's a member of mensa but she has no idea how to interract with people or society! But yet she knows stuff that I haven't even heard about.

I dunno... I just find that science is only understood by a select group of people... and the rest of us pretty much have to take their word for it? Of course some sciences are for the greater good... but many are 'unethical' for want of a better word... so I dunno why I need to believe every word they tell me.

Heineken Helen

eyedclaar wrote:

Look, I consider myself a smart and educated person. However, I know when I'm in over my head with certain subject matter. Intelligence is realizing that there are people out there who are smarter than you and waaaaaaay more educated. Granted, you probably know more than other people about certain things but I think I'll lean towards trusting the experts when it comes to scientific knowledge.

I doubt I know more about anything than anybody but I disagree with your definition of intelligence. In fact I need a new thread.

chadwick

Rygar wrote:

Why do you care what other people think?

Most times I could give two shits less what anyone thinks.
I do however get bent out of shape when talking about the environment.
I absolutely love environmentalists.

chadwick

Heineken Helen wrote:

Absolutely... but I think many of us have different interpretations of intelligence. My cousin's a member of mensa but she has no idea how to interract with people or society! But yet she knows stuff that I haven't even heard about.

I dunno... I just find that science is only understood by a select group of people... and the rest of us pretty much have to take their word for it? Of course some sciences are for the greater good... but many are 'unethical' for want of a better word... so I dunno why I need to believe every word they tell me.

For the most part it's comman-sence Helen.
It really is.

Heineken Helen

chadwick wrote:

For the most part it's comman-sence Helen.
It really is.

I'll give them the common sense stuff... but why do I need somebody to TELL me what I can figure out for myself? I think there are different levels of intelligence and just cos I choose not to blindly believe what I'm told (how is it different to religion?) doesn't make me stupid.