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  • timroth
    timroth Posts: 215
    patrickredeyes wrote:
    Anybody catch the title of the book Sil was reading when Tony walked in? Something about fixing problems or something. Yes Paulie always has great lines. hehe


    I think the book was "how to clean everything". That made me laugh.
  • Garden Dogg
    Garden Dogg Posts: 226
    patrickredeyes wrote:
    Anybody catch the title of the book Sil was reading when Tony walked in? Something about fixing problems or something. Yes Paulie always has great lines. hehe

    the book was "how to clean everything." fucking hilarious!
    "let's hug it out, bitch."

    "and onward goes this thing of ours."
  • culot4
    culot4 Posts: 775
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    i like tonys line about a.j.......

    maybe its just because he is a fucking idiot.....

    historically thats been the situation.....

    Under different circumstances that would have been a really funny line but I thought it was just sad. I didn't like that Tony said he was ashamed of his son right after he tried to kill himself.
    Once in a while you can get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
  • patrickredeyes
    patrickredeyes Posts: 8,834
    culot4 wrote:
    Under different circumstances that would have been a really funny line but I thought it was just sad. I didn't like that Tony said he was ashamed of his son right after he tried to kill himself.


    The scene after he pulled him out of the water was sad. Tony repeating it's ok baby, it's ok baby. I have to watch it again but I think he was saying that.
  • patrickredeyes
    patrickredeyes Posts: 8,834
    Garden Dogg wrote:
    the book was "how to clean everything." fucking hilarious!
    thank you for the title, yes fucking hilarious
  • QuarterToTen
    QuarterToTen Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 3,649
    culot4 wrote:
    Under different circumstances that would have been a really funny line but I thought it was just sad. I didn't like that Tony said he was ashamed of his son right after he tried to kill himself.

    A.J.'s suicide attempted suicide is looked upon as the ultimate weakness in that culture, a bitter pill for Tony to swallow.

    we all want the best for our children, and as parents i'm sure
    he and carmela feel like failures.

    the look on Tony's face as he walked in the the psychiatric unit at the
    very end said it all.
    Nice shirt.
  • culot4
    culot4 Posts: 775
    patrickredeyes wrote:
    The scene after he pulled him out of the water was sad. Tony repeating it's ok baby, it's ok baby. I have to watch it again but I think he was saying that.

    That is exactly what he was saying. Once in a while Tony actually resembles a real human being. That was a very powerful scene.
    Once in a while you can get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
  • rrivers
    rrivers Posts: 3,698
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    i like tonys line about a.j.......

    maybe its just because he is a fucking idiot.....

    historically thats been the situation.....

    Yeah I thought that was a great line as well.

    Fantastic episode tonight. I think that was the best one this season. Great, great episode.
    "We're fixed good, lamp-wise."
  • patrickredeyes
    patrickredeyes Posts: 8,834
    So the final won't be two hrs long I just heard. Alot to take care of in just two episodes.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Amazing episode last night. The scene with Tony and AJ by the pool was incredible. After last night's episode I soooo want Tony to put a fucking bullet in Butchie's and Phil's head. I'm sure if someone from Tony's crew had done that to Phil's daughetr he would have killed them without hestitation.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    this episode is on par with seasons 1-3's excellences...brilliantly done.

    the aj thing hit home to me as i had a brother who tried to kill himself a few years back...my youngest brother really reminds me of aj too...

    tony doing what he did to koko was great--"how bout a put a bullet through your head" to the other guy--awesome! i felt like i was watching an eagles game or something i was so excited---hell yeah tony!.....now we finally have an idea of how its going to end. i cannot wait for june 3rd. though i am really sad there are just 2 left because it seems like its getting better and better...
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  • rrivers
    rrivers Posts: 3,698
    The Jeagler wrote:
    this episode is on par with seasons 1-3's excellences...brilliantly done.

    the aj thing hit home to me as i had a brother who tried to kill himself a few years back...my youngest brother really reminds me of aj too...

    tony doing what he did to koko was great--"how bout a put a bullet through your head" to the other guy--awesome! i felt like i was watching an eagles game or something i was so excited---hell yeah tony!.....now we finally have an idea of how its going to end. i cannot wait for june 3rd. though i am really sad there are just 2 left because it seems like its getting better and better...

    I agree that the episode was on par with the early seasons.

    Sorry to hear about your brother, Jeagler. Hope things are better with him now.

    I felt about Tony how I have for the majority of the series ie I was pulling for him. What has been cool about the series is that it makes you sympathize with him, especially when he is going up against other gangsters. I really wanted him to kill that guy koko. I thought the guy was dead when he did the American History X treatment to him.

    I don't know how everything can be wrapped up in two episodes either but I am glad that it is going strong.

    Meadow looks so hot!! I thought she was hot from the first season but she is gorgeous now!!!
    "We're fixed good, lamp-wise."
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    rrivers wrote:
    Meadow looks so hot!! I thought she was hot from the first season but she is gorgeous now!!!

    I would love to have her and Carmella together.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • rrivers
    rrivers Posts: 3,698
    mammasan wrote:
    I would love to have her and Carmella together.

    Something we can agree on!
    "We're fixed good, lamp-wise."
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    rrivers wrote:
    Something we can agree on!

    meadow is fucking goregous
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  • rrivers
    rrivers Posts: 3,698
    The Jeagler wrote:
    meadow is fucking goregous


    I love her.
    "We're fixed good, lamp-wise."
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    "Sopranos" wrap-up: The blood-dimmed tide

    Tony flails helplessly as things fall apart.

    Editor's note: This article contains spoilers from Sunday night's episode of "The Sopranos."

    By Heather Havrilesky

    May 21, 2007 | The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.
    -- W.B. Yeats, "The Second Coming"

    David Chase's epic drama series "The Sopranos" has never skirted the depravity of its characters. But after enduring the last few episodes of this last chapter, we discover that we've been let off the hook for years: There was murder, yes, but there was also baked ziti in the fridge, and there were bad jokes and smart remarks and naked girls and ungrateful kids and temperamental mistresses. Sometimes Tony murdered people casually, the way other people mow the front lawn. Other times he killed close friends and family members and it plagued him and made him sick. But he always escaped death and prison. He maintained his sanity, and shook off the shadows of the past. At the end of the day, his family was safe and well fed. Even after his brush with death at the start of this season, he emerged feeling that every day was a gift.

    These days, every day may be more of a curse than a gift. The things Tony has struggled to hold together are starting to fall apart: His authority in the mob hierarchy is openly threatened by Phil Leotardo, and there's no way out. His marriage is suddenly crumbling, his friends look more like strangers, and his naive innocence about himself is gone, thanks to the realization that even Christopher saw him as "some asshole bully."

    And then there's his son, AJ. Just as the first season of the HBO show found Tony struggling with his mother, now Tony wonders if he's just as merciless and self-pitying a parent as she was. AJ has never believed in anything, really, aside from Blanca and her son. Now that they're gone, everything looks like bullshit to him, from the meat industry to foreign policy. "Do you realize we're gonna bomb Iran?" he asks Meadow.

    "You need to learn to shut stuff out," she tells him. "Are you crazy?" he asks. Is she? Is AJ just a whiny, spoiled little brat? Or is Meadow's peace with the world based on denial, a skill she inherited from her mother?

    AJ is walking a thin line between prophetic and pathetic. In his English class, they're reading those terrible lines from Yeats, repeatedly endlessly, yet the words never lose their sting, least of all today. AJ is right to be haunted, of course, and it's almost refreshing to see him taking something seriously for once in his frivolous, unexamined life. But when Meadow tells him to set some goals for himself and move out of their parents' house, he says, "Look, I'm ill, Meadow. All right, I'm on medication. I need mom's cooking. It could mess with my blood chemistry."

    Even AJ is ready to blame those "purtrid fucking genes." He reminds his parents what his grandmother Livia said in the hospital before she died: "It's all a big nothing." Has he inherited a curse of chemistry, or just a bad habit of feeling sorry for himself?

    You really have to hand it to Chase and the other writers: Each of these last episodes seems to pack more of a punch than the last. This last chapter started with a sigh that's built to a scream: Tony goes from reminiscing about the ducks at the lake, to suffocating Christopher, to pulling his son out of the pool, tied to a cement block. Every step of the way, whether he's dealing with Phil Leotardo or Carmela or AJ, Tony's not sure whether to fight or retreat. "What's wrong with you?!" he bellows at AJ by the edge of the pool, then softens and strokes the boy's hair. "All right... Are you all right? Come on, baby. Are you all right, baby? Are you all right?"

    "He was always so happy. He was our happy little boy!" Carmela says, crying, and her agony makes Tony and Meadow crumble. "What did I do wrong?" Tony later asks, and we can name a few things, but is he right to blame himself?

    But as always, just when we're tempted to feel for them, they turn on us: When Tony confesses that the whole thing has him depressed, Carmela turns brutal and won't hear another word. "He didn't get it from my family, that's all I'm going to say." What could be more heartless, after your son attempts suicide, than to blame it on your husband and his relentless self-pity -- or is it just in his genes? Even Carmela can't decide which it is -- she'd like to blame Tony for both.

    Of course the fight ends with Carmela hurling the brand new watch Tony gave her at his face. "You are my life," is what Tony had inscribed on the watch, and still Carmela accepted it with a casual kiss on the cheek, hinting that she knew it was just a gesture of guilt. We've seen coldness between them before, but this is different. They have no patience with each other. Their world is falling to pieces, and they still can't help but eat each other alive. But that makes sense, since their marriage, like the watch, is a fragile lie.

    The absurdity of therapy is also on display here, along with the best joke of the season, when Dr. Melfi and Tony discuss AJ's attempted suicide:

    Melfi: It could've been a cry for help.

    Tony: Aren't you listening? He did cry for help. He's lucky I came home and heard him.

    Later, Melfi's therapist, Elliott, tells her of a study he read about how talk therapy actually enables sociopaths instead of treating them. Chase is showing his hand now more than ever.

    But even as we can hate Tony for his weaknesses and his bad decisions, even as we lament his apparent lack of deep remorse over Christopher's death, he's still a complicated human being that plays on our sympathies, either when he strokes AJ's hair and cries or when he brings him a pizza the hospital. It's remarkable, really -- a character who feels this real, but who embodies so many conflicting impulses. But then, the best authors make us feel for characters who carry with them the best and the worst of human behavior.

    And, of course, larger questions loom over these terrible scenes: Is depression a whiner's malady, a genetic legacy or a part of the human condition? Is Tony a sociopath enabled by anyone who'll listen to his whining, or is he an ugly reflection of our culture: lazy, self-indulgent, confused and morally adrift?

    We can fold our arms and say, smugly, that Tony is finally going to pay for all of the evil he's wrought on the world, for all of the human beings he's thoughtlessly killed, for the asbestos floating up into the air, but the terrible truth is that we recognize ourselves in him, at least in some small way. We can hope that Tony pays for it all, but still cringe as we see his world slip out of his control. When Coco makes menacing remarks about Meadow, when Tony goes down and kicks the guy's head in himself, when Tony appeals to Phil "on a human level" and Phil laughs in his face and rejects his acts of contrition? Suddenly Tony doesn't seem to have any other choice but to fulfill his tragic destiny.

    And what is Sil reading? "How to Clean Practically Anything." We have to wonder what Sil will be forced to clean up once that blood-dimmed tide rolls in.

    http://www.salon.com/ent/tv/review/2007/05/21/sopranos/index.html
  • bostonlou
    bostonlou Posts: 2,849
    my teeth still feel funny from that scene in the restaurant... disgusting

    teeth flying out by the root.... and staying in his pants

    wtf??




    and meadow is HOT... but she looked different last night... in a good way


    did she get work done? new haircut? eyebrows? find her ideal weight (and by this I mean put on a couple of LBs ... she was way skinny last year no?)
    Don't Believe Everything You Think
  • bostonlou
    bostonlou Posts: 2,849
    Bathgate66 wrote:
    this cheesesweeper is the guy from the bronx tale, & he's in jail now , for killing a cop here in nyc.

    who knew he was a crackhead .



    i can't get to youtube

    but are you talking about cologino? he's dead
    Don't Believe Everything You Think
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    bostonlou wrote:
    my teeth still feel funny from that scene in the restaurant... disgusting

    teeth flying out by the root.... and staying in his pants

    wtf??

    cuffed pants......all sorts of crazy things can get caught in there especially if your curbing someone.....:p


    bostonlou wrote:
    and meadow is HOT... but she looked different last night... in a good way


    did she get work done? new haircut? eyebrows? find her ideal weight (and by this I mean put on a couple of LBs ... she was way skinny last year no?)

    she is gorgeous.....i think she has finally grown into an adult and is at her ideal weight.....:)

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