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With one more left in the Bush Administration, What's your Biggest Fear?

g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
edited October 2007 in A Moving Train
I'd like to hear what's your biggest fear from the Bush Administration in the short time he has left in office???

I have NONE, I have no fear of this administration some concerns, yes. They're going to do what they feel they must do. Bombing Iran is fore gone conclusion and many Americans believe it's the right thing to do.

They say only nuclear reactor sites will be bombed as if innocent lives again won't be lost. This will also turn into a mess for the next administration to clean up.

Will they get anything right before they leave, can they fix any social problems of America or for that matter do they even really care?

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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XgwZTJl8dQ

    SNL was prophetic

    i broke the Hoover Dam!
  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    My biggest fear is that he will become so obsessed with leaving with a high approval rating that he will go to a new war just to do so. It is almost impossible for a US President not to have a high rating a few months into a war.

    Secondarily, it is that a Democrat will win and he will be so upset about it (as a referendum on him) that he will do all he can to make the transition hell. (Much worse than removing the "Ws" from the keyboards.
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  • NCfanNCfan Posts: 945
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    My biggest fear is that he will become so obsessed with leaving with a high approval rating that he will go to a new war just to do so. It is almost impossible for a US President not to have a high rating a few months into a war.

    Secondarily, it is that a Democrat will win and he will be so upset about it (as a referendum on him) that he will do all he can to make the transition hell. (Much worse than removing the "Ws" from the keyboards.

    LOL, yep that's right... Bush's ego is what drives his foriegn policy towards Iran. Bingo! You gotta be kidding me.

    Look, I don't like the guy either - but if he (and I doubt he will) bombs Iran - then it sure as hell won't be becuase of approval ratings or legacy. I can assure you that.

    I'm not sure there is a way to bomb Iran without a massive war breaking out. Iran can activate terrorist cells all over the world to hit American interest, including inside the US, Isreal and our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Once again, I don't think this is a conflict of half measures. You either have to go in and overthrow the governement with overwhelming force and take complete control. That is the only viable military option. I'm sure it is the only thing his analyst and advisor's are telling him.

    Despite what the Cheney war hawks are telling Bush, he knows it's simply too much to risk. Iran has us by the balls. We risk too much by acting militarily and we risk too much by not acting militarily. And at this point, it looks as if nothing short of military action will keep Iran from getting the bomb.

    The one wild card is Israel. I could see them telling the US to go to hell, that they are going to bomb the shit out of Iran anyway. They risk far more than we do by inaction...
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    that they DON'T bomb iran
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    JUAN GONZALEZ: The Bush administration is approaching its last year in the White House. As the clock ticks toward 2008, speculation grows over whether President Bush and Vice President Cheney will indeed launch a widely feared attack on Iran.

    The latest report from the investigative journalist Seymour Hersh says war planning is intensifying. Writing in the New Yorker, Hersh reveals that the White House recently requested the Joint Chiefs of Staff to redraw longstanding plans for a possible attack. According to Hersh, the Bush administration’s rationale for bombing Iran has shifted from Iran's alleged nuclear weapons program to Iran's role in Iraq. Hersh writes, "What had been presented primarily as a counter-proliferation mission has been reconceived as counterterrorism.” The focus is no longer a broad bombing attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities, but strikes on Revolutionary Guard Corps facilities in Tehran and elsewhere.

    AMY GOODMAN: Seymour Hersh joins us now from Washington, D.C. Welcome to Democracy Now!, Sy. Lay out what you have learned.

    SEYMOUR HERSH: Yeah, well, actually, it’s funny. The plans have both intensified and they're less intense, in this sense: the new plan that they're talking about is much more limited, not a thousand points of light. It doesn’t involve massive Air Force bombing attacks. Most of the Iranian nuclear facilities that were the initial target are -- many of them are underground, one in particular, Natanz, where the centrifuges are located, where Iran is enriching uranium, seventy-five very hard feet underground. And the bombing plans were extreedingly -- you had to put one bomb after another with no guarantee of knocking down the facility.

    So what they’ve done -- and what happened, really, is this government finally realized that they had not been able to sell the American people on their view of the Iranian nuclear threat. In other words, it simply wasn’t working. Unlike in 2003, when we were sort of mushroom cloud into going along with the Iraqi war, the American public did not respond in any noticeable way to a fear. They didn’t share the fear of the leadership in the White House and many in the Israeli government of a nuclear-armed Iran. Maybe it was just a question of American credibility. You know, we cried wolf once before.......


    Like I've been thinking the bombing of Iran seems inevitable and getting more intense as Seymour Hersh: White House Intensifying Plans to Attack Iran decribes in this interview.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    Executive order to kill all endangered or threatened species in the U.S.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • prismprism Posts: 2,440
    810wmb wrote:
    that they DON'T bomb iran

    :rolleyes:

    because the wars in Afganistan and Iraq that the US are still involved in and have turned into complete clusterfucks just aren't enough, that they need another?
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  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    3rd times a charm!

    those others are just warm-ups.....
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    One more year to have another big development happen in the US so he can be super president until the day he dies.
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    even flow? wrote:
    One more year to have another big development happen in the US so he can be super president until the day he dies.

    I don't think he would even dare do anything that stupid. There would be mass revolts on the streets if Bush, or any president did that.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    mammasan wrote:
    I don't think he would even dare do anything that stupid. There would be mass revolts on the streets if Bush, or any president did that.


    Sure there would! Then again it would be interesting.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    even flow? wrote:
    Sure there would! Then again it would be interesting.

    If it ever did happen could me and mine crash at your place because I would definitely not want to be around when the fighting breaks out.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    NCfan wrote:
    Iran can activate terrorist cells all over the world to hit American interest, including inside the US, Isreal and our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    wow, some folks drink ALOT of fucking kool aid

    americans still afraid of the unkown boogey man

    if i see the word "sleeper cell" one more time i might just puke
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    810wmb wrote:
    that they DON'T bomb iran

    another arm chair general :rolleyes:

    sign up chief
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    even flow? wrote:
    Sure there would! Then again it would be interesting.
    ....and Canada has dibs on Florida!!!!
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    he's a lame duck. He cant masterbate without asking permission right now. He hasn't been able to pass any legislation all year.

    the whole iranian thing is just sabre rattling. its not gonna happen.
  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    tybird wrote:
    ....and Canada has dibs on Florida!!!!


    Dosen't anybody over 65 from Canada own a piece of that state anyway. ;)
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    That he rigs the election so that something detrimental happens to the point that he has to stay in power for at least one. more. year. Or longer. I don't put it past him.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Jeanwah wrote:
    That he rigs the election so that something detrimental happens to the point that he has to stay in power for at least one. more. year. Or longer. I don't put it past him.

    It will never happen. Even Georgie is not that stupid. He would have a full fledge revolution on his hands if that happened.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I don't believe Bush/Cheney are that stupid to start a military campaign against Iran... not with our military in such a precarious situation in Iraq. In order to successfully mount a military strategy against Iran... we would have to first vacate Iraq. Chances are, an invasion in Iran by U.S. military forces will incite the Shi'ites in Iraq... you know, the ones we've placed into power over there... and the ones who we are arming and training over there. We cannot run forward operations bases against Iran from Iraq. Afghanistan, Yes... Iraq, No. But, we'd need to get back into Afghanistan and spend about 3 years cleaning that place up.
    ...
    I can't believe that even Bush is THAT stupid.
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  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    Bombing Iran would be unbelievably stupid. That'd make it a 3 front war.

    They will not bomb Iran. That would be an even bigger mistake than they've already made.

    It's really, really, really not worth the cost.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Iran is on the backburner. I give it 10-12 years for the cons to pull off another Iraq.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Cosmo wrote:
    I don't believe Bush/Cheney are that stupid to start a military campaign against Iran... not with our military in such a precarious situation in Iraq. In order to successfully mount a military strategy against Iran... we would have to first vacate Iraq. Chances are, an invasion in Iran by U.S. military forces will incite the Shi'ites in Iraq... you know, the ones we've placed into power over there... and the ones who we are arming and training over there. We cannot run forward operations bases against Iran from Iraq. Afghanistan, Yes... Iraq, No. But, we'd need to get back into Afghanistan and spend about 3 years cleaning that place up.
    ...
    I can't believe that even Bush is THAT stupid.

    I completely agree with you but what does worry me is Israel bombing Iran. That would undoubtably pull us into a conflict with Iran because god knows we can't turn our back on Israel.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    it might be possible that we could use Israel to fight a proxy war with them.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    MrSmith wrote:
    it might be possible that we could use Israel to fight a proxy war with them.

    That would be foolish as well. Any attack on Iran by Israel would undoubtably be traced back to us.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    mammasan wrote:
    I completely agree with you but what does worry me is Israel bombing Iran. That would undoubtably pull us into a conflict with Iran because god knows we can't turn our back on Israel.
    ...
    You know what? Fuck Israel. If they want to start that shit, that's their call. We need to quit being Israel's 'YesBitch'. Last time I checked... Israel was not the 51st state of the Union. They want to throw down with Iran... fine. That's THEIR fight, not ours.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    You know what? Fuck Israel. If they want to start that shit, that's their call. We need to quit being Israel's 'YesBitch'. Last time I checked... Israel was not the 51st state of the Union. They want to throw down with Iran... fine. That's THEIR fight, not ours.

    I agree but you know the reality of it is if Israel does something we will come to their side.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    mammasan wrote:
    That would be foolish as well. Any attack on Iran by Israel would undoubtably be traced back to us.

    sure but we wouldnt waste our manpower and the people back home would probably support sending arms and supplies to Israel. the arms dealers are happy, Bush is happy, Israel is happy, Americans won't pay attention...its a WIN/WIN for everybody!

    Now i have to get back to digging out my bunker...
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    mammasan wrote:
    I agree but you know the reality of it is if Israel does something we will come to their side.

    BTW why is it that it's OK for Isarel to have nuclear weapons?

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    MrSmith wrote:
    sure but we wouldnt waste our manpower and the people back home would probably support sending arms and supplies to Israel. the arms dealers are happy, Bush is happy, Israel is happy, Americans won't pay attention...its a WIN/WIN for everybody!

    Now i have to get back to digging out my bunker...
    ...
    So, i take it... the Pro-War Supporters and FOX News audience will call me an Anti-Semite, instead of Anti-American, next time 'round, right?
    ...
    Oy, vey.
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    Hail, Hail!!!
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