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Ground zero building catches fire, burns for 7 hours, doesn't collapse

RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
edited August 2007 in A Moving Train
For 7 hours it burned...


"The 40 story Deutsche Bank building next to the ground zero site in New York, where the world trade center once stood, caught fire yesterday and burned intensely for seven hours without collapsing

This represents another modern day miracle in light of the commonly accepted premise that since 9/11, all steel buildings that suffer limited fire damage implode within two hours. This building had even suffered structural damage on 9/11 and had been partially dismantled.

The raging fire, which killed two firefighters, was finally declared under control late saturday afternoon, a full seven hours after it had begun to burn.

On 9/11 the south tower of the WTC burned for just 56 minutes before collapsing, while the north tower lasted around an hour and 45 minutes. According to the official transcripts of the firefighter tapes, fires in both towers were almost out immediately before the collapses. "

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/190807Building.htm

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070818.wnyfire0818/BNStory/International/home

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2007/08/18/4428875-ap.html


Feel free to google "Deutsche Bank fire"
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    building 7 had much structural damage then this one. fire didnt take down 7, it only helped.
  • JamMastaEJamMastaE Posts: 444
    jlew24asu wrote:
    building 7 had much structural damage then this one. fire didnt take down 7, it only helped.


    how did it have structural damage?
    "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain


    "I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
    Emiliano Zapata
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    building 7 had much structural damage then this one. fire didnt take down 7, it only helped.


    That's the most common misconception going. The collapse was uniform and perfect. The damage to it was not.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    jlew24asu wrote:
    building 7 had much structural damage then this one. fire didnt take down 7, it only helped.

    Yeah that's it structurally damage yet still it fell free fall stylee straight down @ free fall speed. First time in history, lots of first on that day.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    JamMastaE wrote:
    how did it have structural damage?

    From the towers falling. Some slight gouging on some floors on one side from falling debris. Hardly enough to cause complete symmetrical structural failure.

    We know it wasn't because of fire now (obviously).
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    JamMastaE wrote:
    how did it have structural damage?

    HOW? you are asking how? wtc 1 and 2 fell down right next to it.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    From the towers falling. Some slight gouging on some floors on one side from falling debris. Hardly enough to cause complete symmetrical structural failure.
    how the fuck do you know? has this been tested before?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    That's the most common misconception going. The collapse was uniform and perfect. The damage to it was not.

    again, this proves what? should the building have fallen sideways? if it did, im sure you would believe some other conspiracy theory.
  • JamMastaEJamMastaE Posts: 444
    jlew24asu wrote:
    HOW? you are asking how? wtc 1 and 2 fell down right next to it.

    well there were also several buildings much closer with much more damage yet they didn't collapse. WTC complex 7 was more than 300 feet from the nearest wall of the North Tower.

    http://www.wtc7.net/location.html
    "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain


    "I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
    Emiliano Zapata
  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    HOW? you are asking how? wtc 1 and 2 fell down right next to it.

    Come on the twin towers were questionable but tower 7, what you say is just laughble.

    Maybe do some research on buildings that have caught on fire or with randon structual damage and if you come back with evidence of the any of them collapsing symmetrically.

    Then we may take you seriously.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • HANKTHELANKHANKTHELANK Posts: 89
    jlew24asu wrote:
    again, this proves what? should the building have fallen sideways? if it did, im sure you would believe some other conspiracy theory.

    do have sand in your vagina jlew? you're always so argumentative, you gotta relax man.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    JamMastaE wrote:
    well there were also several buildings much closer with much more damage yet they didn't collapse. WTC complex 7 was more than 300 feet from the nearest wall of the North Tower.

    http://www.wtc7.net/location.html

    but there is so much you dont know. nor do I.

    wtc7 was tall and heavy.

    the architecture could be dramatically different.

    the specific damage could widely vary.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    HANKTHELANK wrote:
    do have sand in your vagina jlew? you're always so argumentative, you gotta relax man.

    sorry hanky, I am very sensitive to this issue. this as the worst attack in our history.
  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    sorry hanky, I am very sensitive to this issue. this as the worst attack in our history.

    Why are you so sensitive to it? Do you know some one who died or was affected by it?
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    Why are you so sensitive to it? Do you know some one who died or was affected by it?

    yes
  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    I really, really hate having to defend anything that might in any way be perceived as coming from the right, but with this ..... well, let me put it this way.....

    Amazingly, a Bic lighter held at the joint between two rusted steel beams doesn't weld them together!!


    I do believe there was/is a conspiracy regarding 9-11 - but I believe it's a conspiracy to cover up/divert attention from the complete and utter incompetence and cowardice of this administration.
  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    For 7 hours it burned...


    "The 40 story Deutsche Bank building next to the ground zero site in New York, where the world trade center once stood, caught fire yesterday and burned intensely for seven hours without collapsing

    This represents another modern day miracle in light of the commonly accepted premise that since 9/11, all steel buildings that suffer limited fire damage implode within two hours. This building had even suffered structural damage on 9/11 and had been partially dismantled.

    The raging fire, which killed two firefighters, was finally declared under control late saturday afternoon, a full seven hours after it had begun to burn.

    On 9/11 the south tower of the WTC burned for just 56 minutes before collapsing, while the north tower lasted around an hour and 45 minutes. According to the official transcripts of the firefighter tapes, fires in both towers were almost out immediately before the collapses. "

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/190807Building.htm

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070818.wnyfire0818/BNStory/International/home

    http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2007/08/18/4428875-ap.html


    Feel free to google "Deutsche Bank fire"

    No plane. No explosives. No wonder it didn't come down.
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RainDog wrote:
    I really, really hate having to defend anything that might in any way be perceived as coming from the right, but with this ..... well, let me put it this way.....

    Amazingly, a Bic lighter held at the joint between two rusted steel beams doesn't weld them together!!
    a Bic lighter? not exactly an experiment to scale eh?

    RainDog wrote:
    I do believe there was/is a conspiracy regarding 9-11 - but I believe it's a conspiracy to cover up/divert attention from the complete and utter incompetence and cowardice of this administration.

    this I agree with.
  • JamMastaEJamMastaE Posts: 444
    jlew24asu wrote:
    but there is so much you dont know. nor do I.

    wtc7 was tall and heavy.

    the architecture could be dramatically different.

    the specific damage could widely vary.

    you're really reaching dude.

    it's apparent that the main reason you don't think it was an inside job is because YOU DON'T WANT TO!!

    or are you just an agent of dis-info?
    "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain


    "I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
    Emiliano Zapata
  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    yes


    We are still allowed to have a different view to you over this. Without you going mental everytime someone has something to say about it that doesn't fit your view.

    You never have a rational argument when you post in threads concerning 9/11.

    I don't think you ever really throw up a view that proves ours arguments wrong. You tend to just try and mock us.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    JamMastaE wrote:
    you're really reaching dude.

    it's apparent that the main reason you don't think it was an inside job is because YOU DON'T WANT TO!!

    or are you just an agent of dis-info?

    I pose serious questions and reasons for doubts and this is all you can come up with?

    get back to me when you can add to the discussion. till then, go waste someone else's time.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    We are still allowed to have a different view to you over this. Without you going mental everytime someone has something to say about it that doesn't fit your view.

    You never have a rational argument when you post in threads concerning 9/11.

    I don't think you ever really throw up a view that proves ours arguments wrong. You tend to just try and mock us.

    see my post #13. and the response I get in #20.

    you might want to try your post again
  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    yes


    After wishing that someone and their dad died in another thread the other day. This is like a balloon ball being tossed to Bonds!!!!!
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    even flow? wrote:
    After wishing that someone and their dad died in another thread the other day. This is like a balloon ball being tossed to Bonds!!!!!

    DIED?? you must mean when I wish they were deported. and I apologized. I never wished anyone be dead.

    got it now?
  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    jlew24asu wrote:
    a Bic lighter? not exactly an experiment to scale eh?
    I think comparing a welding torch to a lighter is similar to comparing a passanger jet explosion and burning jet fuel to a fire.

    But at least we agree on what the real conspiracy is - and if you ask me, when combined with the "heroes of 9-11/defenders of the nation" mantra this administration puts out, it's just as dangerous.
  • JamMastaEJamMastaE Posts: 444
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I pose serious questions and reasons for doubts and this is all you can come up with?

    you never offer up shit except to regurgitate the lies and ignorance.

    you're a parrot.

    poly wanna cracker?
    "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain


    "I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
    Emiliano Zapata
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    HANKTHELANK wrote:
    do have sand in your vagina jlew? you're always so argumentative, you gotta relax man.

    My girlfriend had this happen once in Palm Beach after some love play and after that man was she EVER bitchy and it wasn't due to her red hair.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    JamMastaE wrote:
    you never offer up shit except to regurgitate the lies and ignorance.

    you're a parrot.

    poly wanna cracker?

    hey spiral, you sure about that post you made?
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    how the fuck do you know? has this been tested before?


    Yes many many times. It's what engineers do when they build them.

    No steel building in the history of mankind has ever collapsed before 9/11 remember? It's why they use steel.

    If you think anyone is expected believe isolated fire and minimal damage (also isolated) causes perfect, and symmetrical, spontaneous building collapse, then you would be stretching it all a bit to too far beyond reality.

    Don't you think?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    We should try to keep everything less about hating each other, and more about what happened here, and what are the possibilities, (and associations therein).

    People that are already considered "crazy" (CT'ers) only look more crazy when they get angry.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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