Israel, the US, and their 'Regrading' of Human Beings
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Dershowitz and Grades of Human Beings
Paul Craig Roberts Article: "Israel’s Criminal Accomplice" is here.
By Juan Cole
07/24/06 "Information Clearing House" -- -- Alan "Torture is OK" Dershowitz is annoyed that the Israelis have been accused of killing innocent civilians. He is now arguing that there are degrees of "civilianity." He wonders how many innocent civilians killed by Israel in Lebanon would still be innocent if we could make finer distinctions.
(He should read the Lebanese newspapers and he would get the answer. One third of those killed by the Israelis are children. I'd guess they are all civilian all the time. And then there are the families, like the Canadian women, children and men blown up at Aitaroun. I suppose they are really civilians. Etc. )
But I don't know why Dershowitz stops there. Let me reformulate his argument for him. Shouldn't we recognize degrees of humanness? After all, isn't that the real problem? That the enemy is considered a full human being in the law of war? That horrible Supreme Court judgment that Hamdan had to be given a trial of some sort was based on the misunderstanding that he is a human being.
Israeli officials have already showed us how Arabs can be reclassified away from a full "human" category that they clearly, in the view of the Kadima government, do not deserve.
For instance, Israeli ambassador to the United Nations Dan Gillerman angrily denounced Kofi Annan for neglecting this key fact. The Guardian reports, ' Mr Gillerman said "something very important was missing" from Mr Annan's speech: any mention of terrorism. Hizbullah were "ruthless indiscriminate animals", he told reporters. '
So you see, one reason that you can just bomb the hell out of the Lebanese in general is that they aren't human beings at all. They are "animals." You might quibble that Gillerman is only referring to members of the Hizbullah party as animals, not all Lebanese. But most Shiite Lebanese, some 45 percent of the population, support Hizbullah. And the Lebanese government, made up of Christians, Sunnis and Druze, let Hizbullah into the Lebanese government and gave it cabinet posts. So probably those who tolerate Hizbullah are at most half-human. This has yet to be worked out. It might be possible to declare them .66 animal. Or maybe they are just all animals. They speak Arabic, after all, right Mr. Gillerman?
There is a problem with stopping here, however. It is not enough to reclassify some human beings as animals. After all, you have to treat animals humanely. You can even be fined for mistreating an animal, though probably you would not go to jail.
The staff of US Secretary of State Condi Rice has made a suggestion for another, more convenient level, that of snake. Thus, a senior White House official referred to the massive Israeli bombing campaign and destruction of Lebanon's civilization and killing of hundreds and wounding of over a thousand as "defanging" Hezbollah. I am pretty sure that language is meant to suggest that the Shiites of Lebanon, although apparently human beings, are actually snakes. I suppose it is possible that another sort of reptile is is intended, but I suspect that "snake" is the intended classification.
But some snakes are protected species. We need a lower category. It is clear that some human beings are neither human nor animal. Hamas and Hizbullah members, for instance, are actually not even full organisms, just diseases.
Israeli Deputy Consul General for San Francisco, Omer Caspi, said of the Lebanese and Palestinian publics concerning Hamas and Hizbullah members, "We say to them please remove this cancer off your body and soul before it is too late."
Caspi did not specify whether members of Hamas are leukemia and those of Hizbullah melanoma, or the reverse.
The good thing about finding out that some apparent human beings don't have to be treated as well as whales (which have almost been wiped out) is that it allows us to put behind all wimpy hesitancy just to do what needs to be done.
I mean, a cancer. Everyone knows what you have to do with a cancer. It requires chemotherapy. It needs to be just exterminated, before it kills the snakes, animals and humans.
So we have the human beings, like Israeli Prime Minister Ehud "Bomb'em Back to the Stone Age" Olmert and torture defender, attorney Alan Dershowitz.
Then we have the animals, like the "persons" who vote for Hizbullah and Hamas.
Then we have the level of human-appearing snakes, who need to be "defanged," which apparently involves killing their wives and children with air strikes.
Then we have the cancers, who need to be "wiped out" immediately.
I understand that President Bush is appointing Alan Dershowitz to be head of the "Human-Non-Human Metrics" commission that will decide which people are full human beings, and which fall into other categories, such as "animal," "snake," and "cancer."
It is rumored that that Dershowitz intends to create a special category, of "cockroach," for the human-appearing creatures who dare to criticize him.
Juan Cole is President of the Global Americana Institute - Visit his blog http://www.juancole.com
Paul Craig Roberts Article: "Israel’s Criminal Accomplice" is here.
By Juan Cole
07/24/06 "Information Clearing House" -- -- Alan "Torture is OK" Dershowitz is annoyed that the Israelis have been accused of killing innocent civilians. He is now arguing that there are degrees of "civilianity." He wonders how many innocent civilians killed by Israel in Lebanon would still be innocent if we could make finer distinctions.
(He should read the Lebanese newspapers and he would get the answer. One third of those killed by the Israelis are children. I'd guess they are all civilian all the time. And then there are the families, like the Canadian women, children and men blown up at Aitaroun. I suppose they are really civilians. Etc. )
But I don't know why Dershowitz stops there. Let me reformulate his argument for him. Shouldn't we recognize degrees of humanness? After all, isn't that the real problem? That the enemy is considered a full human being in the law of war? That horrible Supreme Court judgment that Hamdan had to be given a trial of some sort was based on the misunderstanding that he is a human being.
Israeli officials have already showed us how Arabs can be reclassified away from a full "human" category that they clearly, in the view of the Kadima government, do not deserve.
For instance, Israeli ambassador to the United Nations Dan Gillerman angrily denounced Kofi Annan for neglecting this key fact. The Guardian reports, ' Mr Gillerman said "something very important was missing" from Mr Annan's speech: any mention of terrorism. Hizbullah were "ruthless indiscriminate animals", he told reporters. '
So you see, one reason that you can just bomb the hell out of the Lebanese in general is that they aren't human beings at all. They are "animals." You might quibble that Gillerman is only referring to members of the Hizbullah party as animals, not all Lebanese. But most Shiite Lebanese, some 45 percent of the population, support Hizbullah. And the Lebanese government, made up of Christians, Sunnis and Druze, let Hizbullah into the Lebanese government and gave it cabinet posts. So probably those who tolerate Hizbullah are at most half-human. This has yet to be worked out. It might be possible to declare them .66 animal. Or maybe they are just all animals. They speak Arabic, after all, right Mr. Gillerman?
There is a problem with stopping here, however. It is not enough to reclassify some human beings as animals. After all, you have to treat animals humanely. You can even be fined for mistreating an animal, though probably you would not go to jail.
The staff of US Secretary of State Condi Rice has made a suggestion for another, more convenient level, that of snake. Thus, a senior White House official referred to the massive Israeli bombing campaign and destruction of Lebanon's civilization and killing of hundreds and wounding of over a thousand as "defanging" Hezbollah. I am pretty sure that language is meant to suggest that the Shiites of Lebanon, although apparently human beings, are actually snakes. I suppose it is possible that another sort of reptile is is intended, but I suspect that "snake" is the intended classification.
But some snakes are protected species. We need a lower category. It is clear that some human beings are neither human nor animal. Hamas and Hizbullah members, for instance, are actually not even full organisms, just diseases.
Israeli Deputy Consul General for San Francisco, Omer Caspi, said of the Lebanese and Palestinian publics concerning Hamas and Hizbullah members, "We say to them please remove this cancer off your body and soul before it is too late."
Caspi did not specify whether members of Hamas are leukemia and those of Hizbullah melanoma, or the reverse.
The good thing about finding out that some apparent human beings don't have to be treated as well as whales (which have almost been wiped out) is that it allows us to put behind all wimpy hesitancy just to do what needs to be done.
I mean, a cancer. Everyone knows what you have to do with a cancer. It requires chemotherapy. It needs to be just exterminated, before it kills the snakes, animals and humans.
So we have the human beings, like Israeli Prime Minister Ehud "Bomb'em Back to the Stone Age" Olmert and torture defender, attorney Alan Dershowitz.
Then we have the animals, like the "persons" who vote for Hizbullah and Hamas.
Then we have the level of human-appearing snakes, who need to be "defanged," which apparently involves killing their wives and children with air strikes.
Then we have the cancers, who need to be "wiped out" immediately.
I understand that President Bush is appointing Alan Dershowitz to be head of the "Human-Non-Human Metrics" commission that will decide which people are full human beings, and which fall into other categories, such as "animal," "snake," and "cancer."
It is rumored that that Dershowitz intends to create a special category, of "cockroach," for the human-appearing creatures who dare to criticize him.
Juan Cole is President of the Global Americana Institute - Visit his blog http://www.juancole.com
A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects
are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider
god-fearing and pious: Aristotle
Viva Zapatista!
are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider
god-fearing and pious: Aristotle
Viva Zapatista!
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But, but it's Israel's fault. It must be the Jews. Juan Cole is pure scum. It's unfortunate that he is a professor at my alma mater...
Find me the direct quote from an Iranian stating Israel to be wiped out. Pretty please, just for me.
How many times has Iran invaded another country?
Ahh I see, back to the old holocaust thing. Yep, you got me, because Germany killed 6 million, go ahead, rol through Lebanon and Gaza wiping out thousands of Palestinians.
And really, when a Moslem organisation, or a Palestinian freedom fighter calls for the destruction of Israel, why is that such an outlandish statement? They call for the destruction of THE POLITICAL STATE OF ISRAEL, not the jews, or the Israelis. Check your history.
How many Jews lived in what is now Israel a hundred or so years ago? How many live there now? I wil tell you, 50,00 a hundred years ago, 7 MILLION now. Who suffered to accomodate this mass migration on to Palestinian territory?
How many jews live, work, and enjoy peace in Iran? How many Jewish members of the Iranian parliament are there?
Some people around here seem to forget the anti-semite history of their own country.
Heres a clue; Henry Ford, 1936 and 1940 Presidential election, the isolationist movement against "the jewish war.", Lindbergh, The Dearborn Independent, The International Jew, etc, etc, etc
are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider
god-fearing and pious: Aristotle
Viva Zapatista!
words don't hurt like bombs. and holocaust is not the only massacre ever happened in history. and even if it was, it seems we haven't learnt anything from it.
No, but its the only massacre in history which is used as an excuse to perpetrate and justify further atrocities and genocide.
For as long as there is profit to be made from the making and selling of bombs, war will always occur.
(quite what relavence that sentence has for the thread, i don't know, it just came out)
are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider
god-fearing and pious: Aristotle
Viva Zapatista!
www.amnesty.org.uk