Putin is giving Ahmadnijad the tools to build Nuclear weapons and we're the one's who are dangerous???? Cmon now.
didn't halliburton do business w/ iran a few years ago...work and parts that could be used in nuclear production? i think so...but it's always everyone else, right? there's never a mess in our backyard
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
That probabaly is his motive. Didn't Russia just provide Iran with new surface to air missle defense system. Putin is the worst thing to happen to Russia since Chernobyl.
Chernobyl happened to Ukraine, not Russia. And was, in fact, during the Soviet era, just refreshing your memory since you seem to think it happend in Russia. (i know it wasn't your main point)
Also, what's wrong with selling air defense missiles to Iran? Iran has no history of starting wars or anything. Not only that, but Russia didn't give them supplies for nuclear WEAPONS but for nuclear ENERGY. Just because idiots like the US think they want weapons, doesn't make it true.
didn't halliburton do business w/ iran a few years ago...work and parts that could be used in nuclear production? i think so...but it's always everyone else, right? there's never a mess in our backyard
Chernobyl happened to Ukraine, not Russia. And was, in fact, during the Soviet era, just refreshing your memory since you seem to think it happend in Russia. (i know it wasn't your main point)
Also, what's wrong with selling air defense missiles to Iran? Iran has no history of starting wars or anything. Not only that, but Russia didn't give them supplies for nuclear WEAPONS but for nuclear ENERGY. Just because idiots like the US think they want weapons, doesn't make it true.
I realize that Chernobyl was in the Ukraine. I was refering to Russia as in the Soviet Union. There is nothing wrong with selling military hardware to another country, we do it as well. I just find it a bit hipocritical that Putin, however true his statement maybe, is calling the US dangerous when his country does the same.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I realize that Chernobyl was in the Ukraine. I was refering to Russia as in the Soviet Union. There is nothing wrong with selling military hardware to another country, we do it as well. I just find it a bit hipocritical that Putin, however true his statement maybe, is calling the US dangerous when his country does the same.
he does nowhere near as much as the US does though, so it's not as hypocritical as you think.
you are aware that you can agree w/ someone you dislike or normally disagree w/, right? the world isn't so black and white. i dislike putin, i think he's a thug, but how is what he said wrong? that is the point pj&t was asking, the one you are avoiding.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
he does nowhere near as much as the US does though, so it's not as hypocritical as you think.
It is ironic though given Putin's record with Middle Eastern countries and Chechnya (Sp) that he is so concerned about Middle Eastern countries welfare from the US overstepping its boundaries.
"She knows there is no success like failure
And that failure's no success at all."
"Don't ya think its sometimes wise not to grow up."
"Cause life ain't nothing but a good groove
A good mixed tape to put you in the right mood."
It is ironic though given Putin's record with Middle Eastern countries and Chechnya (Sp) that he is so concerned about Middle Eastern countries welfare from the US overstepping its boundaries.
History with Middle Eastern countries? Besides, Iran (which is a good history), can you clarify what else you are referring to? Also, US overstepping its boundaries, regardless of WHERE it oversteps its boundaries, effects the entire world.
History with Middle Eastern countries? Besides, Iran (which is a good history), can you clarify what else you are referring to? Also, US overstepping its boundaries, regardless of WHERE it oversteps its boundaries, effects the entire world.
My bad. Not Putin, Soviet Union. (Afganistan).
True, but I am just making a point that Russia does not have a squeaky clean record in Europe, and its not that recent (1989) since its collapse.
Hey I am not saying we have a clean record I am just saying he is talking, IMO, out of both sides of his mouth, he is politcally posturing.
"She knows there is no success like failure
And that failure's no success at all."
"Don't ya think its sometimes wise not to grow up."
"Cause life ain't nothing but a good groove
A good mixed tape to put you in the right mood."
Chernobyl happened to Ukraine, not Russia. And was, in fact, during the Soviet era, just refreshing your memory since you seem to think it happend in Russia. (i know it wasn't your main point)
Also, what's wrong with selling air defense missiles to Iran? Iran has no history of starting wars or anything. Not only that, but Russia didn't give them supplies for nuclear WEAPONS but for nuclear ENERGY. Just because idiots like the US think they want weapons, doesn't make it true.
I guess the IAEA isn't a relevant source on this one either then?
History with Middle Eastern countries? Besides, Iran (which is a good history), can you clarify what else you are referring to? Also, US overstepping its boundaries, regardless of WHERE it oversteps its boundaries, effects the entire world.
Hmm. How about Russian occupation of the mostly Muslim regions of Central Asia for nearly a century...There is no love lost between the Muslims and the Russians. All im saying is dig beneath the mans words and get to his motives. Instability around the world only enriches Russias arms and Nuke business. They could give two shits about world peace. Never have, never will.
It is ironic though given Putin's record with Middle Eastern countries and Chechnya (Sp) that he is so concerned about Middle Eastern countries welfare from the US overstepping its boundaries.
He didn't refer specifically to the Middle East. I don't think any country feels safe anymore in light of America's unilateral, pre-emptive aggression. This is probably the whole point. The Bush Administartion has sent out a message to the world that if you don't toe the line and submit to America's business interests, then they will bribe you, and intimadate you, and maybe bomb the shit out of you.
he does nowhere near as much as the US does though, so it's not as hypocritical as you think.
How so. I realize that the US has done some pretty damn shitty things to other countries, but Russia is right up there with us. Look at what Putin is doing in his own country. The man is practically dismantling free speech in his own country.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
you guys are pathetic...when did anyone say or act like putin was some grand hero or fearless leader?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
it probably makes his head hurt...if only we could make some sor tof pop-up message board for him and last exodous...maybe then they wouldn't have such bad comprehension problems
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
It is ironic though given Putin's record with Middle Eastern countries and Chechnya (Sp) that he is so concerned about Middle Eastern countries welfare from the US overstepping its boundaries.
but the world should do as the US says...the country that overthrew a democratic Iran in the 50's...a country that created, armed and trained death squads all over the world so our thug puppet could keep the ppl in check...it's just funny we act like we're some bastions of decency and democracy yet we do a lot worse things than others...but then we use those smaller things to say we can't trust them!
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
should a link be posted about us breaking the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and are building NEW nukes <while we tell the IAEA they are NOT allowed to inspect our weapons or sites> while we tell iran they better not violate the npt? isn't this pretty much the same thing?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Russian President Vladimir Putin has attacked the United States for what he said was its "almost uncontained" use of force around the world.
America's "very dangerous" approach to global relations was fuelling a nuclear arms race, he told a security summit.
Correspondents say the strident speech may signal a more assertive Russia.
Earlier German chancellor Angela Merkel told the delegates in Munich that the international community was determined to stop Iran getting nuclear weapons.
Iranian nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani is among delegates at the conference.
The conference, founded in 1962, has become an annual opportunity for world leaders to discuss the most pressing issues of the day.
Mr Putin told senior security officials from around the world that nations were "witnessing an almost uncontained hyper use of force in international relations".
"One state, the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way," the Russian president said.
"This is very dangerous. Nobody feels secure anymore because nobody can hide behind international law," he said, speaking through a translator.
"This is nourishing an arms race with the desire of countries to get nuclear weapons."
BBC defence and security correspondent Rob Watson, in Munich, said Mr Putin's speech was a strident performance.
It may well be remembered as a turning point in international relations and a sign of a more assertive Russia, our correspondent says.
Western leaders in the audience, including Mrs Merkel, looked decidedly glum-faced when President Putin had finished, our correspondent adds.
Earlier, Mrs Merkel told delegates there was "no way around" the need for Tehran to accept demands from the UN and nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).
"What we are talking about here is a very, very sensitive technology, and for that reason we need a high degree of transparency, which Iran has failed to provide, and if Iran does not do so then the alternative for Iran is to slip further into isolation," she said.
Mr Larijani was set to tell delegates that Iran wants nuclear power, not nuclear weapons.
"We believe the Iranian nuclear dossier is resolvable by negotiation," Mr Larijani was quoted by Reuters news agency as saying on the sidelines of the conference.
European diplomats are hoping to hold informal talks with Mr Larijani at the two-day summit.
It would be their first meeting since the collapse of talks last year and the imposition of limited UN sanctions on Tehran for its failure to stop the enrichment of uranium.
On Friday, the IAEA said it had frozen about half of technical aid projects involving Iran.
It said the move was to comply with UN sanctions imposed on Tehran late last year over its refusal to halt uranium enrichment.
An IAEA report said 22 technical aid projects involving Iran had been suspended to comply with the UN sanctions, which call for an end to programmes that could be exploited by Iran to develop nuclear weapons.
The IAEA gives technical aid to dozens of countries on the peaceful use of nuclear energy in fields such as medicine, agriculture and power generation.
...this news caught my attention as well.
And I want to share my high loaded opinion on this:
Believe me, I am not a fan of Russia and Mr. Putin. Too much mystery and way too much manipulation by the power elite let me feel NOT GOOD at all about Russia -it seems not being very democratic there-
But the DJ of my favourite radio station analyzed the Russian population view on this subject today:
and so I heard one russian woman saying pretty cool: why being so excited about Mr. Putins words? Isn't he just only speaking out what the half of the world-population thinks.
I have to double this.
I am glad Mr. Putin spoke out those attacks, cause in this one I fully agree with Mr. Putin.
The USA only focuses on military option. And wants to build a defending- shield over Europe to protect us from bombs.
But the bombs are bolted around bodies those days. ... who needs a shield then those days? defenately not Europe!!!
But this only says to me, that finally Europe would pay the bill for even more wars... cause by buying this shield we strengthen the big big US military industry... for more WAR.
... arghhh.
but as I said: I am defenately not very pro Russia... I do not want to live there or like their style. ... but well... there are so many big powerful countries around the world by now... the game between two options is over ,
as we although have the chinese way or the indian way or the muslim way or the african one or even the south american and kuba way.
..soo many countries... so, hopefully big Mr. Putin woke up this country called USA, that should soon become a team player, too!!!
there is no way to peace, peace is the way!
...the world is come undone, I like to change it everyday but change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks.
it probably makes his head hurt...if only we could make some sor tof pop-up message board for him and last exodous...maybe then they wouldn't have such bad comprehension problems
but the world should do as the US says...the country that overthrew a democratic Iran in the 50's...a country that created, armed and trained death squads all over the world so our thug puppet could keep the ppl in check...it's just funny we act like we're some bastions of decency and democracy yet we do a lot worse things than others...but then we use those smaller things to say we can't trust them!
Shit no!!! "but the world should do as the US says". I hope I didn't imply that in my post!
However, I do believe it is funny that Putin is pretending (IMO) to be the Middle East's "friend".
But it's true countries (including the U.S.) talk out of both sides of their mouth and ass all of the time.
"She knows there is no success like failure
And that failure's no success at all."
"Don't ya think its sometimes wise not to grow up."
"Cause life ain't nothing but a good groove
A good mixed tape to put you in the right mood."
it probably makes his head hurt...if only we could make some sor tof pop-up message board for him and last exodous...maybe then they wouldn't have such bad comprehension problems
It's too bad you haven't the wits to engage in intelligent discussion without personal attacks. You obviously feel threatened......
It's too bad you haven't the wits to engage in intelligent discussion without personal attacks. You obviously feel threatened......
you are too funny...whatever, if you want i can post a few links to threads you ran away from when i simply asked you to back yourself up. you constantly put your foot in your mouth then try to back out of it...
see, the difference between mamasan and some others is he can judge both sides on it, not just one.
putin supporters??? can you name one, plz, other than ahminus?
my level of support was made pretty clear in my SECOND post in this thread
our replies pretty much speak for themselves in this thread
what were your stances again?
pearl jam and toast thought of putin as his 'fearless leader'
well, not him, byrnzie
why?
well...by posting an article...and nothing but an article that had a putin quote that was criticial of us, what else could byrnzie have meant other than putin was his almight savior!?!?
angelica's comments are 'taking a swipe at your country'
why she asks?
you say...not to ask you, you didn't vote for bush....???
all you have done is call everyone a putin lover
let me know when you have some of substance to say
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
you are too funny...whatever, if you want i can post a few links to threads you ran away from when i simply asked you to back yourself up. you constantly put your foot in your mouth then try to back out of it...
see, the difference between mamasan and some others is he can judge both sides on it, not just one.
putin supporters??? can you name one, plz, other than ahminus?
my level of support was made pretty clear in my SECOND post in this thread
our replies pretty much speak for themselves in this thread
what were your stances again?
pearl jam and toast thought of putin as his 'fearless leader'
well, not him, byrnzie
why?
well...by posting an article...and nothing but an article that had a putin quote that was criticial of us, what else could byrnzie have meant other than putin was his almight savior!?!?
angelica's comments are 'taking a swipe at your country'
why she asks?
you say...not to ask you, you didn't vote for bush....???
all you have done is call everyone a putin lover
let me know when you have some of substance to say
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Comments
didn't halliburton do business w/ iran a few years ago...work and parts that could be used in nuclear production? i think so...but it's always everyone else, right? there's never a mess in our backyard
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Chernobyl happened to Ukraine, not Russia. And was, in fact, during the Soviet era, just refreshing your memory since you seem to think it happend in Russia. (i know it wasn't your main point)
Also, what's wrong with selling air defense missiles to Iran? Iran has no history of starting wars or anything. Not only that, but Russia didn't give them supplies for nuclear WEAPONS but for nuclear ENERGY. Just because idiots like the US think they want weapons, doesn't make it true.
lol is putin a hero to you now?
I realize that Chernobyl was in the Ukraine. I was refering to Russia as in the Soviet Union. There is nothing wrong with selling military hardware to another country, we do it as well. I just find it a bit hipocritical that Putin, however true his statement maybe, is calling the US dangerous when his country does the same.
he does nowhere near as much as the US does though, so it's not as hypocritical as you think.
It is ironic though given Putin's record with Middle Eastern countries and Chechnya (Sp) that he is so concerned about Middle Eastern countries welfare from the US overstepping its boundaries.
And that failure's no success at all."
"Don't ya think its sometimes wise not to grow up."
"Cause life ain't nothing but a good groove
A good mixed tape to put you in the right mood."
History with Middle Eastern countries? Besides, Iran (which is a good history), can you clarify what else you are referring to? Also, US overstepping its boundaries, regardless of WHERE it oversteps its boundaries, effects the entire world.
My bad. Not Putin, Soviet Union. (Afganistan).
True, but I am just making a point that Russia does not have a squeaky clean record in Europe, and its not that recent (1989) since its collapse.
Hey I am not saying we have a clean record I am just saying he is talking, IMO, out of both sides of his mouth, he is politcally posturing.
And that failure's no success at all."
"Don't ya think its sometimes wise not to grow up."
"Cause life ain't nothing but a good groove
A good mixed tape to put you in the right mood."
I guess the IAEA isn't a relevant source on this one either then?
Hmm. How about Russian occupation of the mostly Muslim regions of Central Asia for nearly a century...There is no love lost between the Muslims and the Russians. All im saying is dig beneath the mans words and get to his motives. Instability around the world only enriches Russias arms and Nuke business. They could give two shits about world peace. Never have, never will.
He didn't refer specifically to the Middle East. I don't think any country feels safe anymore in light of America's unilateral, pre-emptive aggression. This is probably the whole point. The Bush Administartion has sent out a message to the world that if you don't toe the line and submit to America's business interests, then they will bribe you, and intimadate you, and maybe bomb the shit out of you.
How so. I realize that the US has done some pretty damn shitty things to other countries, but Russia is right up there with us. Look at what Putin is doing in his own country. The man is practically dismantling free speech in his own country.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0212/p04s01-woeu.html?page=1
you guys are pathetic...when did anyone say or act like putin was some grand hero or fearless leader?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
it probably makes his head hurt...if only we could make some sor tof pop-up message board for him and last exodous...maybe then they wouldn't have such bad comprehension problems
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
but the world should do as the US says...the country that overthrew a democratic Iran in the 50's...a country that created, armed and trained death squads all over the world so our thug puppet could keep the ppl in check...it's just funny we act like we're some bastions of decency and democracy yet we do a lot worse things than others...but then we use those smaller things to say we can't trust them!
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
should a link be posted about us breaking the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and are building NEW nukes <while we tell the IAEA they are NOT allowed to inspect our weapons or sites> while we tell iran they better not violate the npt? isn't this pretty much the same thing?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
...this news caught my attention as well.
And I want to share my high loaded opinion on this:
Believe me, I am not a fan of Russia and Mr. Putin. Too much mystery and way too much manipulation by the power elite let me feel NOT GOOD at all about Russia -it seems not being very democratic there-
But the DJ of my favourite radio station analyzed the Russian population view on this subject today:
and so I heard one russian woman saying pretty cool: why being so excited about Mr. Putins words? Isn't he just only speaking out what the half of the world-population thinks.
I have to double this.
I am glad Mr. Putin spoke out those attacks, cause in this one I fully agree with Mr. Putin.
The USA only focuses on military option. And wants to build a defending- shield over Europe to protect us from bombs.
But the bombs are bolted around bodies those days. ... who needs a shield then those days? defenately not Europe!!!
But this only says to me, that finally Europe would pay the bill for even more wars... cause by buying this shield we strengthen the big big US military industry... for more WAR.
... arghhh.
but as I said: I am defenately not very pro Russia... I do not want to live there or like their style. ... but well... there are so many big powerful countries around the world by now... the game between two options is over ,
as we although have the chinese way or the indian way or the muslim way or the african one or even the south american and kuba way.
..soo many countries... so, hopefully big Mr. Putin woke up this country called USA, that should soon become a team player, too!!!
...the world is come undone, I like to change it everyday but change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks.
Shit no!!! "but the world should do as the US says". I hope I didn't imply that in my post!
However, I do believe it is funny that Putin is pretending (IMO) to be the Middle East's "friend".
But it's true countries (including the U.S.) talk out of both sides of their mouth and ass all of the time.
And that failure's no success at all."
"Don't ya think its sometimes wise not to grow up."
"Cause life ain't nothing but a good groove
A good mixed tape to put you in the right mood."
he,he then i kind of like you!!
being Russian myself, i think Putin is a better president, than the other's we've had
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-12-13-poisoned-spy-cover_x.htm
I think all of you Putin supporters should grab a cocktail in London with some of Putins thugs...
Make sure you keep a lid on that cocktail.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
you are too funny...whatever, if you want i can post a few links to threads you ran away from when i simply asked you to back yourself up. you constantly put your foot in your mouth then try to back out of it...
see, the difference between mamasan and some others is he can judge both sides on it, not just one.
putin supporters??? can you name one, plz, other than ahminus?
my level of support was made pretty clear in my SECOND post in this thread
http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=4154367&postcount=18
our replies pretty much speak for themselves in this thread
what were your stances again?
pearl jam and toast thought of putin as his 'fearless leader'
well, not him, byrnzie
why?
well...by posting an article...and nothing but an article that had a putin quote that was criticial of us, what else could byrnzie have meant other than putin was his almight savior!?!?
angelica's comments are 'taking a swipe at your country'
why she asks?
you say...not to ask you, you didn't vote for bush....???
all you have done is call everyone a putin lover
let me know when you have some of substance to say
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
You look younger here...
http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/english/index.cfm?page=Zawahiri
nope, didn't think so
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
http://www.wishlistfoundation.org
Oh my, they dropped the leash.
Morgan Freeman/Clint Eastwood 08' for President!
"Make our day"