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The selection of Palin says one thing to me, that John McCain when faced with the most important decision he has ever had to make chose the person he thought most likely (and probably incorrectly) to gain him votes OVER people much more likely and qualified to be a good president. Some of them his long time allies. It was purely motivated by vote trolling and not by doing what is right for the country. That, to me makes him a greedy hypocrite unfit for the presidency. He is 72, Palin could easily be president soon, she is totally not ready. Bad choice.

Obama/Biden is looking more appealing all the time. I donated $ for the first time in my life to a politician this election, it was to Ron Paul, he is sadly out and I am most likely going to vote Obama unless he really blows it during the debates.
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  • Indian SummerIndian Summer Posts: 2,296
    This Palin thing is crazy. For him to criticize Obama's lack of experience, and then pick this lady is contradictory of himself! He's desperate though, so I can understand why the GOP had to do it. Obama has the swing states on his side, so the repubs gotta try and get some random feminists votes.

    I don't really like Obama (although paired with Biden he does look more appealing), but I think he's got this election in the bag already.

    If the McCain and the Republican party thought they were safe on this election, it would have been Romney or Lieberman sitting beside him right now. But they're nervous and scared, so this act of desperation is the result....which IMO looks good for Obama.
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  • __ Posts: 6,651
    Indian Summer wrote:
    This Palin thing is crazy. For him to criticize Obama's lack of experience, and then pick this lady is contradictory of himself! He's desperate though, so I can understand why the GOP had to do it. Obama has the swing states on his side, so the repubs gotta try and get some random feminists votes.

    I don't really like Obama (although paired with Biden he does look more appealing), but I think he's got this election in the bag already.

    If the McCain and the Republican party thought they were safe on this election, it would have been Romney or Lieberman sitting beside him right now. But they're nervous and scared, so this act of desperation is the result....which IMO looks good for Obama.

    I agree that this is most likely why he chose her. What's sad/enfuriating is that he's showing that he doesn't know a thing about the values of the women he's trying to win over. It's insulting for him to think we would vote for her just because she's a woman. I'm surprised she herself isn't offended as well.
  • Indian SummerIndian Summer Posts: 2,296
    scb wrote:
    I agree that this is most likely why he chose her. What's sad/enfuriating is that he's showing that he doesn't know a thing about the values of the women he's trying to win over. It's insulting for him to think we would vote for her just because she's a woman. I'm surprised she herself isn't offended as well.

    GREAT point. And after Hilary's AMAZING speech the other night, i think most Clinton supporters are throwing that support to Obama now. She rocked the shit at the DNC, gave me chills. I can't wait to see what the RNC has to answer with!
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  • beachdwellerbeachdweller Posts: 1,532
    Rider wrote:
    The selection of Palin says one thing to me, that John McCain when faced with the most important decision he has ever had to make chose the person he thought most likely (and probably incorrectly) to gain him votes OVER people much more likely and qualified to be a good president. Some of them his long time allies. It was purely motivated by vote trolling and not by doing what is right for the country. That, to me makes him a greedy hypocrite unfit for the presidency. He is 72, Palin could easily be president soon, she is totally not ready. Bad choice.

    Obama/Biden is looking more appealing all the time. I donated $ for the first time in my life to a politician this election, it was to Ron Paul, he is sadly out and I am most likely going to vote Obama unless he really blows it during the debates.

    Palin's selection will excite the base and extreme right, and that's it. Like others have said, there aren't any Pat Buchanan/Hillary Clinton types to move. She's very conservative. Can't see much help with the middle, McCain does better with the middle, and with this decision he'll lose some of them.

    Obama will win at least 340 electoral delegates in the Novemeber election. Including Ohio, Pennsylvania, Missouri, Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, possibly Georgia and Florida, and a long shot at Montana. That's my guess.
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  • ScottZeagleScottZeagle Posts: 169
    I think McCain is a huge Ted Nugent fan...

    And since there was no way he would get elected with Ted as his VP, he went out and got the female version.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    Indian Summer wrote:
    GREAT point. And after Hilary's AMAZING speech the other night, i think most Clinton supporters are throwing that support to Obama now. She rocked the shit at the DNC, gave me chills. I can't wait to see what the RNC has to answer with!

    That's IF they ever have it, it just seems things aren't going there way right now.

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    I don't see how anyone can support Ron Paul then switch to Obama.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    unsung wrote:
    I don't see how anyone can support Ron Paul then switch to Obama.

    I went from Kucinich to Ron Paul and I now know Obama will be the next President of the USA. It happens ALL the time.

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  • Indian SummerIndian Summer Posts: 2,296
    g under p wrote:
    I went from Kucinich to Ron Paul and I now know Obama will be the next President of the USA. It happens ALL the time.

    Peace

    You're forced into it. I'm was all for Clinton, but my vote my main reason for voting is against McCain....which has to be for Obama. I've been telling ppl, I'm not voting for Obama, but I'm voting against McCain.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Awesome thread! It is just like the 20 others about this topic!!!! Way to keep things interesting and fresh.
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  • kh65kh65 Posts: 946
    I think most of you people are on crack. Biden brings nothing to the Dem. ticket except politics as usual. She brings youth (44) and executive experience (as a popular gov.). She sounds like my kind of person. She is also a bit of a maverick and has distanced herself from the two corrupt AK senators. She wants to cut taxes and not have the govt. provide everything for us. She wants people to be able to make their own choices not have the govt. tell us what is best for us. It has also neutralized some Dem. arguments. The Dem. position looks weaker and weaker to me. McCain can at least speak without a teleprompter. He might make a mistake here and there but he is a real person not a puppet. He sounds natural when he speaks and doesn't need everything scripted for him. Have you also noticed that Obama's wife was put on the shelf for a long time because she kept opening her mouth and saying stupid things?
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Rider wrote:
    The selection of Palin says one thing to me, that John McCain when faced with the most important decision he has ever had to make chose the person he thought most likely (and probably incorrectly) to gain him votes OVER people much more likely and qualified to be a good president. Some of them his long time allies. It was purely motivated by vote trolling and not by doing what is right for the country. That, to me makes him a greedy hypocrite unfit for the presidency. He is 72, Palin could easily be president soon, she is totally not ready. Bad choice.

    Absolutely. It's clear that instead of making the wise choice, he went with the desperation for votes choice. He really must think the public is stupid to fall for this. The woman has 2 yrs. experience as governor! 2 years! And she could possibly end up running the country if the old guy dies off. That's SCARY.
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
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  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    I do like Cindy McCain; her humanitarian work is fantastic.

    But I think I'll go nuts if I hear one more person say that Palin has foreign policy experience because Alaska is near Russia.
  • brokenarrowbrokenarrow Posts: 478
    kh65 wrote:
    She brings youth (44) and executive experience (as a popular gov.).[/i]



    she's in her first term, she's not even an experienced Governor yet. Before that she was a small town Mayor and on a City Council. ????? That is definitely not an experienced person.

    This choice is simply a long shot hoping to gain the Hillary Clinton supporters, if people don't see that they aren't opening their eyes.
    And if this woman, who has already spieled out the 'woman' talk thinks she speaks for all women, she is sorely mistaken.

    loved the picture of her in the Post with her high-powered rifle.
    Their headline the day after the announcement was..

    'She hunts,
    she fishes,
    and she's
    Mac's veep'



    yeah, those are really good qualifications to run a country God forbid anything happened to the President if he was elected.
    But look at what's been running the country for the last 8 years, maybe she is a great choice.

    :::shakes head:::
  • Green Di$ea$eGreen Di$ea$e Posts: 158
    don't forget she was also mayor of a town (population 9000 people....)

    anyone else hear the latest news that "her" youngest son might actually be her 17yr old daughters...
  • Piper At The GatesPiper At The Gates Posts: 460
    Green Di$ea$e wrote:
    don't forget she was also mayor of a town (population 9000 people....)

    anyone else hear the latest news that "her" youngest son might actually be her 17yr old daughters...

    THANK YOU, SO MUCH. I am not the only one who has heard this!
  • drew0drew0 Posts: 943
    kh65 wrote:
    I think most of you people are on crack. Biden brings nothing to the Dem. ticket except politics as usual. She brings youth (44) and executive experience (as a popular gov.). She sounds like my kind of person. She is also a bit of a maverick and has distanced herself from the two corrupt AK senators. She wants to cut taxes and not have the govt. provide everything for us. She wants people to be able to make their own choices not have the govt. tell us what is best for us. It has also neutralized some Dem. arguments. The Dem. position looks weaker and weaker to me. McCain can at least speak without a teleprompter. He might make a mistake here and there but he is a real person not a puppet. He sounds natural when he speaks and doesn't need everything scripted for him. Have you also noticed that Obama's wife was put on the shelf for a long time because she kept opening her mouth and saying stupid things?

    Most of us aren't saying Palin isn't a good governor. However, it's hypocritical, pathetic, desperate, and just plain ridiculous for John McCain to base his entire campaign on how important experience is, and how Barack Obama doesn't have experience. Then he turns around and chooses a woman who has absolutely no qualifications to be president except for being governor of 600,00 people for A YEAR AND A HALF. He just shot himself in the foot - he took away his only legitimate argument against Obama. Now whenever he says Obama doesn't have the experience to be president, people will laugh in his face.

    She is also a radical right-wing Christian. She doesn't appeal to women. The majority of women who supported Hillary, but are on the fence, will not support a ticket with a woman as the V.P. who wants to overturn Roe v. Wade. It's just not going to happen.

    Also, you say Michelle Obama was "on the shelf". Ever why the American people have never heard a word from Cindy McCain? Hm...wonder why.
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  • __ Posts: 6,651
    drew0 wrote:
    Most of us aren't saying Palin isn't a good governor. However, it's hypocritical, pathetic, desperate, and just plain ridiculous for John McCain to base his entire campaign on how important experience is, and how Barack Obama doesn't have experience. Then he turns around and chooses a woman who has absolutely no qualifications to be president except for being governor of 600,00 people for A YEAR AND A HALF. He just shot himself in the foot - he took away his only legitimate argument against Obama. Now whenever he says Obama doesn't have the experience to be president, people will laugh in his face.

    She is also a radical right-wing Christian. She doesn't appeal to women. The majority of women who supported Hillary, but are on the fence, will not support a ticket with a woman as the V.P. who wants to overturn Roe v. Wade. It's just not going to happen.

    Also, you say Michelle Obama was "on the shelf". Ever why the American people have never heard a word from Cindy McCain? Hm...wonder why.

    I must say, even though I never planned to vote for McCain, I did see him as a viable, legitimate candidate. Now he's just shown me that he's scared, weak, and desperate. Desperation doesn't look good when you're trying to choose the next leader of the free world.

    I agree that he just shot himself in the foot - as a knee-jerk reaction to fear. Makes me wonder what else he'll shoot without thinking when he gets scared.
  • keithcandylkeithcandyl Posts: 82
    Piper At The Gates wrote:
    THANK YOU, SO MUCH. I am not the only one who has heard this!

    I think ya'll are confusing the question of the Palin youngest son with the last season of Desperate House Wives. But I understand, it's so hard to keep from confusing Hollywood and politics.
    And if there's something you'd like to do. Oh, just let me continue to blame you.

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  • keithcandylkeithcandyl Posts: 82
    PEPPER wrote:
    If experience is of prime importance for the Number 2 position, then explain why experience is of no importance for the Number 1 position.

    Exactly. Last week I think Bill Clinton was the one who said that if McCain is elected we're only one heartbeat away from having someone in office who has no foriegn policy experience at all. He was making this point as a negative for the republicans. But he didn't contrast that with the positive for the other party. If Obama is elected then WE'RE ONLY ONE HEARTBEAT AWAY FROM HAVING SOMEONE IN OFFICE WHO HAS FORIEGN POLICY EXPERIENCE! WOOWHOOO!!! Let's get behind that ticket!

    I'm not saying that I'm voting for McCain, I have lots of problems with him. But Obama doesn't have one second more quality executive experience than Palin so he needs to get everyone in his party to shutup about it.
    And if there's something you'd like to do. Oh, just let me continue to blame you.

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    He knows a MILF when he sees one....
  • RiderRider Posts: 129
    I think that Obama having been a US Senator (one the 102 most powerful people in Washington) a state legislator from Illinois (one of the largest states) and Editor of the Harvard Law Review (the head executive of one of the most prestigious and competitive academic groups in the world) speaks volumes about his leadership and experience. He has also undergone intense scrutiny and pressure in this highly competitive election.

    Lets compare that to - beauty pageant participant, local PTA head, 1 term mayor of tiny town and 20 months as governor of the least populated state in the US. No comparison in my book.
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  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    keithcandyl wrote:
    Exactly. Last week I think Bill Clinton was the one who said that if McCain is elected we're only one heartbeat away from having someone in office who has no foriegn policy experience at all. He was making this point as a negative for the republicans. But he didn't contrast that with the positive for the other party. If Obama is elected then WE'RE ONLY ONE HEARTBEAT AWAY FROM HAVING SOMEONE IN OFFICE WHO HAS FORIEGN POLICY EXPERIENCE! WOOWHOOO!!! Let's get behind that ticket!

    I'm not saying that I'm voting for McCain, I have lots of problems with him. But Obama doesn't have one second more quality executive experience than Palin so he needs to get everyone in his party to shutup about it.

    Obama hasn't framed himself as this bastion of experience for one moment during his entire campaign. Obama's experience does not consist of multiple decades of experience in Washington, and Obama has not tried to fudge this. Vote for him or not, Obama's personal experience, and what he believes would make him a good president is clear.

    McCain however, has told us a very different story. His main line of attack is that Obama is not ready to lead. OBAMA'S NOT READY TO LEAD. It's not just that Obama's policy positions are bad, it's that due to his lack of traditional Washington experience, he is incapable of leading. This has been McCain's main successful argument against Obama thus far, and for McCain's second in command he chooses someone with less government experience than Obama, and absolutely zero foreign policy experience compared to Obama's admittedly limited U.S. Senate foreign policy experience.

    I asked this in another thread, so maybe you can tell me what the answer to this is, because I haven't heard one McCain supporter answer it well thus far:

    -McCain has said Obama is not fit to lead the country due to his lack of experience in Washington. This is his central attack theme.
    -McCain has chosen a vice president, whose job it is to take the job of Presidency and be qualified to keep the stability of the country intact, with less government experience than Obama, and absolutely no foreign policy credentials. Let me say that again; absolutely NO foreign policy credentials.
    -What, then, makes Palin more qualified than Barack Obama to possibly be President of the United States? And if there is nothing that makes her more qualified than Obama, then doesn't that make McCain's central argument that Obama is not fit to lead completely invalid? (remember, naming someone as a VP nominee means you are endorsing them to be capable of taking on the presidency in a moment's notice).

    And for those who would claim that she has 'executive experience', I should remind you that Senator McCain has NO executive experience, and that her six years of experience in government, including her time on the City Council and Mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, is still half of what Barack Obama has served in the Illinois State Senate and the U.S. Senate?
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,497
    What I find funny is this...

    Everyone bitches about politicians...all bought up by special interest.
    Everyone wants to throw all the bums out...see above

    Then, everyone continues to re-elect these idiots for 30 years...
    Then, everyone says it's pandering when someone outside the loop is finally in a position to make a difference.

    C'mon people, stay consistant.

    I don't think either Obama's nor Palin's lack of Washington experience is a bad thing...I think it's a great thing.
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  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    cincybearcat wrote:

    I don't think either Obama's nor Palin's lack of Washington experience is a bad thing...I think it's a great thing.

    Agreed...as I said in my earlier post, my criticisms of Palin's lack of experience don't mean I think she is unable to be president. I support a candidate with a much different (and in my opinion) more powerful resume than most Washington politicans. The criticism of the decision about Palin is less about her than it is about McCain and his message.
  • acoustic guyacoustic guy Posts: 3,770
    Rider wrote:
    He is 72, Palin could easily be president soon, she is totally not ready. Bad choice.
    I have to agree there, When I first saw that she was the VP I was not sure about it. Now I see it was a bad move. He should have picked a professional candidate and kept the whole more experience thing going for him, it was working to an extent. Now Who knows what will happen. I still will vote for him though over Obama.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,497
    digster wrote:
    Agreed...as I said in my earlier post, my criticisms of Palin's lack of experience don't mean I think she is unable to be president. I support a candidate with a much different (and in my opinion) more powerful resume than most Washington politicans. The criticism of the decision about Palin is less about her than it is about McCain and his message.

    Well, I can understand that...but I think the majority here are harping on her experience...maybe I'm wrong.
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  • jhinkle1114jhinkle1114 Posts: 207
    It is a baffling selection. Initially it seemed like a good "shock" move picking a younger woman.

    But when you factor in that she has less experience than Obama, you realize that McCain just threw away his chance to continue hammering Obama on that point.

    And then you factor in that she's uber conservative, including being staunchly pro-life and you realize that she won't help with women voters as women with those views were already in McCain's camp. He's not going to get many women in the middle (swing voters) nor many disgruntled Hillary supporters--just those stupid enough to vote totally for gender and ignore that her values are polar opposite of Hillary's which they professed to share.
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  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Well, I can understand that...but I think the majority here are harping on her experience...maybe I'm wrong.

    I don't really see that; I think people are wondering what makes her fit to lead as opposed to Obama?
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